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  • @nickers said:

    Bitonio is hands down a much better guard than DeCastro.. Thomas is the best LT in the game... Shut your mouth before you cram your foot back in it..Mack is far and away better than pouncy... Armonty Bryant and Phil Taylor are our best Dlineman.. I'll take them both over anything you got on your shit Dline.

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    @vagitron said:

    Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Smith is having a great year, while JT is having a great career.

    JT WILL be a first ballot HOF'er.

  • @nickers said:

    Bitonio is hands down a much better guard than DeCastro.. Thomas is the best LT in the game... Shut your mouth before you cram your foot back in it..Mack is far and away better than pouncy... Armonty Bryant and Phil Taylor are our best Dlineman.. I'll take them both over anything you got on your shit Dline.

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    @vagitron said:

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    Again,you squarly just jammed your foot in your mouth.. try again now,PeeWee....By the way.. Bitonio is a mauler.. DeCastro is average at best,,, good linemen.. not great.

  • Bell was drafted in the second round in the 2013 draft from Michigan State. He is from Reynoldsburg, Ohio.

    The Browns drafted Mingo, Gordon, Leon McFadden, Jamoris Slaughter, Armanty Bryany and Garrett Gilkey.

  • @nickers said:

    Bitonio is hands down a much better guard than DeCastro.. Thomas is the best LT in the game... Shut your mouth before you cram your foot back in it..Mack is far and away better than pouncy... Armonty Bryant and Phil Taylor are our best Dlineman.. I'll take them both over anything you got on your shit Dline.

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    @vagitron said:

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    My fantasy teams with Bell are 9-2
  • @vagitron said:

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    My fantasy teams with Bell are 9-2

    @opal312 said:

    My fantasy teams with Bell are 9-2

    who gives a shit?

  • @vagitron said:

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    My fantasy teams with Bell are 9-2

    @opal312 said:

    My fantasy teams with Bell are 9-2

    Fuck your faggy fantasy team.

  • The Steeler's running backs suck dick. They only have success because Rothlis-OgerBooger will not die.

    They have a cheapshot artist at WR that pushes off and gets away with it, weekly. This opens up the D to defend this suck shit. Then on top of that Pitstain likes to throw 2,000 yards worth of screenplays a season. That spread the line out, leaving a gaping hole for your faggot ass runningbacks to fuck the hole for 5 yards a pop. Gay, is all it is. Pittsburgh is a one trick pony mimicking reruns of Mr. Ed.

  • @nickers said:

    Bitonio is hands down a much better guard than DeCastro.. Thomas is the best LT in the game... Shut your mouth before you cram your foot back in it..Mack is far and away better than pouncy... Armonty Bryant and Phil Taylor are our best Dlineman.. I'll take them both over anything you got on your shit Dline.

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    @vagitron said:

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro,

    Actually, yes. He is. He was better the moment he stepped on an NFL field.

    Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down.

    He was a run stopper, and now he is not there. It was far better to have him than not to have him.

    Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable.

    Not far and away, no....but better.

    Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    JT has very few hold calls. He is still probably the best. It has always been arguable....but if he is 1 or 2, he is still possibly a HOF performer.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    West, could have that potential, but not yet. Only after last night would anyone have said Bell is elite. And that really still remains to be seen.

  • we draft undersized smart technicaly sound white guys. pitt drafts big strong physically imposing guys. bitonio is the first road grader we've drafted since? we get another mauler at the rg spot next draft and alex back.will be unstopable

  • @nickers said:

    Bitonio is hands down a much better guard than DeCastro.. Thomas is the best LT in the game... Shut your mouth before you cram your foot back in it..Mack is far and away better than pouncy... Armonty Bryant and Phil Taylor are our best Dlineman.. I'll take them both over anything you got on your shit Dline.

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    @vagitron said:

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    Posts like these erase any shred of credibility you might've had. Just dripping with Homerism. I've seen this from you time and again here. You don't go off the deep end with emotional rants, but you're still delusional when it comes to your Steelers.

  • Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite vegimatictron.

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    We have groundhogs out our hay field, that could contribute more legit stuff to this board that veg does.

  • Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite vegimatictron.

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    We have groundhogs out our hay field, that could contribute more legit stuff to this board that veg does.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite vegimatictron.

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    We have groundhogs out our hay field, that could contribute more legit stuff to this board that veg does.

    With Vag, every day is Ground Hog Day. He just repeats the same old blather day after day on a continuing recycle spin. And you can't kill him off. He comes back the next day.

    He just needs to learn to love.....and move on with his life.

  • @vagitron said:

    Bitonio is not better than DeCastro, Phil Taylor is down again and he was fvcking enormous in a bad way before he went down. Saying Mack is far and away better than Pouncey is laughable. Thomas has also lost the top left tackle spot to Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, not to mention Thomas is a hold machine.

    Beyond that there isn't a RB (this is a reply to others) on the Browns roster that can even hang on a coat tail of Bell. I think both Crowell and West are solid, Bell in his second year is knocking on elite.

    Posts like these erase any shred of credibility you might've had. Just dripping with Homerism. I've seen this from you time and again here. You don't go off the deep end with emotional rants, but you're still delusional when it comes to your Steelers.

    @tml1138 said:

    Posts like these erase any shred of credibility you might've had. Just dripping with Homerism. I've seen this from you time and again here. You don't go off the deep end with emotional rants, but you're still delusional when it comes to your Steelers.

    Why is bitonio a rookie, better than David decastro? Other than saying it. Joe Thomas is still very good but he's not as good as tyron smith. Its my opinion. Beyond that are you all really trying to say that crowell or west are as good as bell? Oh and mack is a very stout center, definitely top 5 buts hes light years better than pouncey? Pouncey also hasn't had Much consistency around him but mack has had one of the best tackles in the game helping his cause. Pouncey is very good, if mack is better its not by much. Period. I didn't say anything homer.

    Edit: I'd also LOVE to have Phil Taylor at the nose in the steelers defense but one fact remains. Taylor came back from being injured fat as fvck and he's now injured again.

  • @tml1138 said:

    Posts like these erase any shred of credibility you might've had. Just dripping with Homerism. I've seen this from you time and again here. You don't go off the deep end with emotional rants, but you're still delusional when it comes to your Steelers.

    Why is bitonio a rookie, better than David decastro? Other than saying it. Joe Thomas is still very good but he's not as good as tyron smith. Its my opinion. Beyond that are you all really trying to say that crowell or west are as good as bell? Oh and mack is a very stout center, definitely top 5 buts hes light years better than pouncey? Pouncey also hasn't had Much consistency around him but mack has had one of the best tackles in the game helping his cause. Pouncey is very good, if mack is better its not by much. Period. I didn't say anything homer.

    Edit: I'd also LOVE to have Phil Taylor at the nose in the steelers defense but one fact remains. Taylor came back from being injured fat as fvck and he's now injured again.

    @vagitron said:

    Why is bitonio a rookie, better than David decastro? Other than saying it.

    Because he is bigger, meaner, stronger with better technique. Do I have to go Elizabeth Barrett Browning on you? Let me count the ways.

    Joe Thomas is still very good but he's not as good as tyron smith. Its my opinion.

    Well, we want a second opinion. Let's see you back that up with something authoritative.

    Beyond that are you all really trying to say that crowell or west are as good as bell?

    No...if you are talking to me. They have potential as a tandem....but are unproven.

    Oh and mack is a very stout center, definitely top 5 buts hes light years better than pouncey?

    I suspect that you are not talking to me here. I say Mack is better....but no, not light years. Both are very good. In a pinch I would choose Mack, but I would not be dissatisfied with Pouncey. Its not like Pouncey is Nick McDonald who we now have to use.

    Pouncey also hasn't had Much consistency around him but mack has had one of the best tackles in the game helping his cause.

    Until Bitonio arrived Mack had little consistency on either side of him at guard. Hell, the Steelers may have had better.

    Pouncey is very good, if mack is better its not by much. Period. I didn't say anything homer.

    OK....we are past that, at least you and I, I assume.

    Edit: I'd also LOVE to have Phil Taylor at the nose in the steelers defense but one fact remains. Taylor came back from being injured fat as fvck and he's now injured again.

    I don't think he is any fatter than the typical nose tackle in the NFL. He is hurt because he is hurt, not because he is fat.

  • Here is one ranking of the best rookies in the NFL:

    Top 50 Rankings Rank Player Pos. Team Pick LW Moving

    1 Joel Bitonio LG Browns 2.3 1 Same

    2 C.J. Mosley ILB Ravens 1.17 2 Same

    3 Anthony Barr OLB Vikings 1.9 3 Same

    4 Zack Martin RG Cowboys 1.16 8 Up

    5 Corey Linsley C Packers 5.21 5 Same

    6 Khalil Mack OLB Raiders 1.5 4 Down

    7 Aaron Donald DT Rams 1.13 6 Down

    8 Jason Verrett CB Chargers 1.25 13 Up

    9 Kelvin Benjamin WR Panthers 1.28 7 Down

    10 Chandler Catanzaro K Cardinals N/A 10 Same

    11 Kyle Fuller CB Bears 1.14 11 Same

    12 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S Packers 1.21 14 Up

    13 Brandin Cooks WR Saints 1.20 12 Down

    14 Weston Richburg LG Giants 2.11 9 Down

    15 E.J. Gaines CB Rams 6.12 15 Same

    16 Bradley Roby CB Broncos 1.31 22 Up

    17 Russell Bodine C Bengals 4.11 23 Up

    18 Sammy Watkins WR Bills 1.4 18 Same

    19 Cody Parkey K Eagles N/A 19 Same

    This was through like halfway point of the season.

  • @tml1138 said:

    Posts like these erase any shred of credibility you might've had. Just dripping with Homerism. I've seen this from you time and again here. You don't go off the deep end with emotional rants, but you're still delusional when it comes to your Steelers.

    Why is bitonio a rookie, better than David decastro? Other than saying it. Joe Thomas is still very good but he's not as good as tyron smith. Its my opinion. Beyond that are you all really trying to say that crowell or west are as good as bell? Oh and mack is a very stout center, definitely top 5 buts hes light years better than pouncey? Pouncey also hasn't had Much consistency around him but mack has had one of the best tackles in the game helping his cause. Pouncey is very good, if mack is better its not by much. Period. I didn't say anything homer.

    Edit: I'd also LOVE to have Phil Taylor at the nose in the steelers defense but one fact remains. Taylor came back from being injured fat as fvck and he's now injured again.

    @vagitron said:

    Edit: I'd also LOVE to have Phil Taylor at the nose in the steelers defense but one fact remains. Taylor came back from being injured fat as fvck and he's now injured again.

    Yeah, Phil came back so fat and out of shape that he got hurt running down and tackling AJ Green. [/sarcasm]

  • @tml1138 said:

    Posts like these erase any shred of credibility you might've had. Just dripping with Homerism. I've seen this from you time and again here. You don't go off the deep end with emotional rants, but you're still delusional when it comes to your Steelers.

    Why is bitonio a rookie, better than David decastro? Other than saying it. Joe Thomas is still very good but he's not as good as tyron smith. Its my opinion. Beyond that are you all really trying to say that crowell or west are as good as bell? Oh and mack is a very stout center, definitely top 5 buts hes light years better than pouncey? Pouncey also hasn't had Much consistency around him but mack has had one of the best tackles in the game helping his cause. Pouncey is very good, if mack is better its not by much. Period. I didn't say anything homer.

    Edit: I'd also LOVE to have Phil Taylor at the nose in the steelers defense but one fact remains. Taylor came back from being injured fat as fvck and he's now injured again.

    @vagitron said:

    Why is bitonio a rookie, better than David decastro? Other than saying it. Joe Thomas is still very good but he's not as good as tyron smith. Its my opinion. Beyond that are you all really trying to say that crowell or west are as good as bell? Oh and mack is a very stout center, definitely top 5 buts hes light years better than pouncey? Pouncey also hasn't had Much consistency around him but mack has had one of the best tackles in the game helping his cause. Pouncey is very good, if mack is better its not by much. Period. I didn't say anything homer.

    Edit: I'd also LOVE to have Phil Taylor at the nose in the steelers defense but one fact remains. Taylor came back from being injured fat as fvck and he's now injured again.

    What your forgetting is... Your opinion doesn't carry much weight around here... Or, really even matter... your just another windbag spouting BS.. Your a fraud.. And your so blinded by piss fogged lenses.. You actually outsmart yourself. Therefore,exposing yourself as a classic Fraudulent troll.

  • Here is one ranking of the best rookies in the NFL:

    Top 50 Rankings Rank Player Pos. Team Pick LW Moving

    1 Joel Bitonio LG Browns 2.3 1 Same

    2 C.J. Mosley ILB Ravens 1.17 2 Same

    3 Anthony Barr OLB Vikings 1.9 3 Same

    4 Zack Martin RG Cowboys 1.16 8 Up

    5 Corey Linsley C Packers 5.21 5 Same

    6 Khalil Mack OLB Raiders 1.5 4 Down

    7 Aaron Donald DT Rams 1.13 6 Down

    8 Jason Verrett CB Chargers 1.25 13 Up

    9 Kelvin Benjamin WR Panthers 1.28 7 Down

    10 Chandler Catanzaro K Cardinals N/A 10 Same

    11 Kyle Fuller CB Bears 1.14 11 Same

    12 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S Packers 1.21 14 Up

    13 Brandin Cooks WR Saints 1.20 12 Down

    14 Weston Richburg LG Giants 2.11 9 Down

    15 E.J. Gaines CB Rams 6.12 15 Same

    16 Bradley Roby CB Broncos 1.31 22 Up

    17 Russell Bodine C Bengals 4.11 23 Up

    18 Sammy Watkins WR Bills 1.4 18 Same

    19 Cody Parkey K Eagles N/A 19 Same

    This was through like halfway point of the season.

    @the-gipper said:

    Here is one ranking of the best rookies in the NFL:

    Top 50 Rankings Rank Player Pos. Team Pick LW Moving

    1 Joel Bitonio LG Browns 2.3 1 Same

    2 C.J. Mosley ILB Ravens 1.17 2 Same

    3 Anthony Barr OLB Vikings 1.9 3 Same

    4 Zack Martin RG Cowboys 1.16 8 Up

    5 Corey Linsley C Packers 5.21 5 Same

    6 Khalil Mack OLB Raiders 1.5 4 Down

    7 Aaron Donald DT Rams 1.13 6 Down

    8 Jason Verrett CB Chargers 1.25 13 Up

    9 Kelvin Benjamin WR Panthers 1.28 7 Down

    10 Chandler Catanzaro K Cardinals N/A 10 Same

    11 Kyle Fuller CB Bears 1.14 11 Same

    12 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S Packers 1.21 14 Up

    13 Brandin Cooks WR Saints 1.20 12 Down

    14 Weston Richburg LG Giants 2.11 9 Down

    15 E.J. Gaines CB Rams 6.12 15 Same

    16 Bradley Roby CB Broncos 1.31 22 Up

    17 Russell Bodine C Bengals 4.11 23 Up

    18 Sammy Watkins WR Bills 1.4 18 Same

    19 Cody Parkey K Eagles N/A 19 Same

    This was through like halfway point of the season.

    This list has zero credibility as johnny manziel is not #1.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Here is one ranking of the best rookies in the NFL:

    Top 50 Rankings Rank Player Pos. Team Pick LW Moving

    1 Joel Bitonio LG Browns 2.3 1 Same

    2 C.J. Mosley ILB Ravens 1.17 2 Same

    3 Anthony Barr OLB Vikings 1.9 3 Same

    4 Zack Martin RG Cowboys 1.16 8 Up

    5 Corey Linsley C Packers 5.21 5 Same

    6 Khalil Mack OLB Raiders 1.5 4 Down

    7 Aaron Donald DT Rams 1.13 6 Down

    8 Jason Verrett CB Chargers 1.25 13 Up

    9 Kelvin Benjamin WR Panthers 1.28 7 Down

    10 Chandler Catanzaro K Cardinals N/A 10 Same

    11 Kyle Fuller CB Bears 1.14 11 Same

    12 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S Packers 1.21 14 Up

    13 Brandin Cooks WR Saints 1.20 12 Down

    14 Weston Richburg LG Giants 2.11 9 Down

    15 E.J. Gaines CB Rams 6.12 15 Same

    16 Bradley Roby CB Broncos 1.31 22 Up

    17 Russell Bodine C Bengals 4.11 23 Up

    18 Sammy Watkins WR Bills 1.4 18 Same

    19 Cody Parkey K Eagles N/A 19 Same

    This was through like halfway point of the season.

    This list has zero credibility as johnny manziel is not #1.

    @winstonlegthigh said:

    This list has zero credibility as johnny manziel is not #1.

    Johnny is not playing on a consistent basis...Like most of this years draft picks...

  • @vagitron said:

    Why is bitonio a rookie, better than David decastro? Other than saying it. Joe Thomas is still very good but he's not as good as tyron smith. Its my opinion. Beyond that are you all really trying to say that crowell or west are as good as bell? Oh and mack is a very stout center, definitely top 5 buts hes light years better than pouncey? Pouncey also hasn't had Much consistency around him but mack has had one of the best tackles in the game helping his cause. Pouncey is very good, if mack is better its not by much. Period. I didn't say anything homer.

    Edit: I'd also LOVE to have Phil Taylor at the nose in the steelers defense but one fact remains. Taylor came back from being injured fat as fvck and he's now injured again.

    What your forgetting is... Your opinion doesn't carry much weight around here... Or, really even matter... your just another windbag spouting BS.. Your a fraud.. And your so blinded by piss fogged lenses.. You actually outsmart yourself. Therefore,exposing yourself as a classic Fraudulent troll.

    @nickers said:

    What your forgetting is... Your opinion doesn't carry much weight around here... Or, really even matter... your just another windbag spouting BS.. Your a fraud.. And your so blinded by piss fogged lenses.. You actually outsmart yourself. Therefore,exposing yourself as a classic Fraudulent troll.

    Nickers I don't give a damn about you and I'm not sure anyone else does either. I know I'm in enemy territory. Let's say I am a fraudulent troll (I'm not). What the hell are you? The defective toy in the bottom of a stale capt. Crunch box? You bring about the same kind of value to the threads on this board. Hell you took the dude talking about manziel literally.