Hoyer's contract
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Frankly we don't know yet. We know that none of Hoyers previous employers thought he was starting material. We know that no team thought he was in the upper echelon of the draft.
We know that some of his statistics have been among the lowest in the league.
As most people have agreed to previously Johnny football could quite possibly be an elite quarterback. Or a monumental bust.
I'm in brian corner but for the anti Jonny crowd don't you guys wish Hoyer was looking a lot better? And wouldn't you be more concerned if he was from Texas and Johnny was from Cleveland?
WSS
Actually, Hoyer's previous employers had quarterbacks named Palmer, Roethlisberger, and Brady. That's why he wasn't a starter, or at least a large majority of the reason.
Brian reminds me a lot of Bernie in some ways ... a home town kid who isn't the perfect, prototypical quarterback. Bernie was super smart, and could dissect a defense, but didn't have a lot of athletic ability. Brian's got more athletic ability, puts in the hours of study, and "manages" the game.
If the kid wins ... I don't care how he does it. I'll take ugly wins, over pretty losing.
Brian's played with a makeshift receiving corp, missing Mack, Cameron, Gordon, sometimes all three. Mack, almost single-handedly derailed the offense ... and yet, Brian has gutted out wins. I'll take it. If he played like crap every week, and the team was losing, I would say throw Manziel to the wolves to see what he can do ... but not before then.
I hope he gets better. But the fact that Roethlisberger Brady et al were starting has no bearing on the fact that the staffs of these other football teams didn't consider him valuable enough to play back up to them.Actually, Hoyer's previous employers had quarterbacks named Palmer, Roethlisberger, and Brady. That's why he wasn't a starter, or at least a large majority of the reason.
Brian reminds me a lot of Bernie in some ways ... a home town kid who isn't the perfect, prototypical quarterback. Bernie was super smart, and could dissect a defense, but didn't have a lot of athletic ability. Brian's got more athletic ability, puts in the hours of study, and "manages" the game.
If the kid wins ... I don't care how he does it. I'll take ugly wins, over pretty losing.
Brian's played with a makeshift receiving corp, missing Mack, Cameron, Gordon, sometimes all three. Mack, almost single-handedly derailed the offense ... and yet, Brian has gutted out wins. I'll take it. If he played like crap every week, and the team was losing, I would say throw Manziel to the wolves to see what he can do ... but not before then.
Also claims of super intelligence are usually showered upon players you don't have the physical skills. I don't know how one would determine that he was a genius. I think it's a made up statistic stemming from wishful thinking. If the quarterback knows what the defense is going to do it would seem the team should be undefeated.
WSS
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F**cking broken record.
BTW, you're getting to the point you're starting to piss a bunch of posters off with your incessant mantra. For the last time
WE GOT WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
F**cking broken record.
BTW, you're getting to the point you're starting to piss a bunch of posters off with your incessant mantra. For the last time
WE GOT WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
Lol, most we of us around here are pretty astute football fans, we have a good idea what we have with Hoyer, we can see where his limitations may be ... we just want to let it play out.
The coaching staff is going with Hoyer, we're in contention and we just want to see what develops.
We haven't made the playoffs in forever, no one was expecting a Super Bowl this year, so if Hoyer is more ready to lead the team on gameday, then so be it.
So this whole "Hoyer is never going to win a Super Bowl so off with his head" argument is inane and insane.
We are VERY EARLY in this whole process. Farmer's first year, Pettine's first year. Just fucking let it play out, Stockton.
Alex Smith got Harbaugh's Niners close, then Kap got them to the Super Bowl. Steve Burlein got those great Cowboys of the 90's their first playoff win ... then Aikman won the Super Bowls. Maybe Hoyer guides us to respectability, and then Manziel takes us to greatness. Maybe Hoyer shits the bed the next couple of weeks and Manziel gets his chance ... that wouldn't make you "right", Stock Boy, it just means you were fucking obnoxious the whole way through the process that needed to happen.
And if Hoyer does win a SB someday, we weren't right either. We're just a bunch of Browns fans that are OK with him starting for now.
And you are coral-shirt-wearing, backpack-dragging, shit-eating Hoyer-obsessed college punk with too much time on your fucking hands. Coming in only after losses and poor performances is the definition of a troll. but more than that, it is cowardice. We've lost some pretty good posters around here because they couldn't get off their obsessions, or kept bashing Browns fans for rooting for Browns players, so I have no problem pulling the trigger on you, Stocky, so if you want to stick around long enough to tell us "You told us so" then keep all your fucking Hoyer stuff in one thread and quit fucking repeating yourself because we're Browns fans just trying to enjoy the season playing out, we all get what you are saying ... we get it ... we're good ... now move on to other subjects, or Please, for the Love of God, discover www.barkinghard.com.
Zombo
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Let's just do the kitna/Palmer plan.
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I like DPN but that is a very poorly constructed article.
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Browns are not good enough to win the Super Bowl this year and Hoyer isn't the future.
Once those two things are clear you are doing nothing but spinning your tires in the mud by not playing Manziel.
As I've been saying all season, you're wasting time. You're wasting time gaining experience for a player who may or may not be your future, and you're wasting time with a player who you know isn't the future. What sense does that make?
The minute Manziel is the starter then he has to start a process of learning on the field. We will have to take a step back when that happens. Why not do it during the year you KNOW you're not Super Bowl contenders and why not sacrifice the guy who you KNOW isn't a Franchise QB?
Like I've said, low self esteem. You're so happy not to be the worst team in the NFL anymore, that you no longer care about reaching for that next level. You are more than happy with winning 8-9 games for the next 3 years and never making the playoffs. Its like being content with a 30k a year job and never looking to advance all while saying "Well I used to flat broke so this is awesome". Its a loser attitude.
If you're not trying to build for a Super Bowl then what are you really doing? Not shit.Like I've said, low self esteem. You're so happy not to be the worst team in the NFL anymore, that you no longer care about reaching for that next level.
Zombo said:
Lol, most we of us around here are pretty astute football fans, we have a good idea what we have with Hoyer, we can see where his limitations may be ... we just want to let it play out.
Z,
I had no idea you too ran such significant self-esteem deficit...
Fortunately there's someone here with plenty to spare for all of us.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Like I've said, low self esteem. You're so happy not to be the worst team in the NFL anymore, that you no longer care about reaching for that next level.
Zombo said:
Lol, most we of us around here are pretty astute football fans, we have a good idea what we have with Hoyer, we can see where his limitations may be ... we just want to let it play out.
Z,
I had no idea you too ran such significant self-esteem deficit...
Fortunately there's someone here with plenty to spare for all of us.
Z,
I had no idea you too ran such significant self-esteem deficit...
Fortunately there's someone here with plenty to spare for all of us.
Our pal is so fixated on Hoyer's bad throws, and poor stats, he cant see the positives. Like 9-4 as a starter. You'd have to go back to to Vinny T (barely 16-15, OK I had to look it up) and Bernie to find a Browns quarterback who could say that. I'm not blind to the growing body of evidence Hoyer is a marginal starter, and probably a great backup to have. The Cardinals would be up shit creek if Stanton wasn't saving their bacon this season. As Z said, I'm not a Hoyer fan per se, I'm a fan of winning Browns football games on Sunday. Brian starts playing like Wee-done for a couple weeks, sure I want Johnny Football out there to see what he can do- and I'll be cheering for him to play a damnsite better than Bortles and Carr have done this year.
So, let's posit what would happen if Stockton gets his wish- and Manziel plays like crap. Are they going to draft another qb in the first round 2015? I doubt it. Short of a total 0-6 collapse down the stretch, the Browns have already played themselves out of the Mariotta derby, and I doubt Farmer would be willing to take a dice roll on Famous Jameis. That's the short list of "franchise worthy" qbs coming out next year.
It's the same rinse, wash, repeat mantra others have posited- just keep drafting qbs in the first round until you get the next Aaron Rodgers.
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I have zero insider facts and no agenda with the QB debate. Im just one who wants to win. With whoever. Hoyers a nice story, but only looks "ok" to me. Johnnys fans are annoying as phuck, but I was pretty hyped when we picked him. Would love to see him play one day.
But, my big GUESS in this whole QB debate is the Browns ultimate plan is to go with Johnny, with Shaw as the planned back up. They are a matched set and should be good to go by next summer. Hoyer was perfect for this season and both him and the team got something positive from it. But, in the end, I think he will accept an offer from another team and move on, helping the Browns make the transition to JFF without too much controversy. .
The one thing I feel like I think I know is that we wont be drafting a QB this year. Early or late. And there wont be a quarterback controversy at training camp 2015. Just a hunch.
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Could very well be true, Mud.
I've never heard Pettine state any objection to a QB starting his 2nd year in the league.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Could very well be true, Mud.
I've never heard Pettine state any objection to a QB starting his 2nd year in the league.
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Agreed, I don't see this FO giving Hoyer the kind of contract he will want with Johnny waiting in the wings. Hoyer has given this team a lot, but unless he turns into Joe Montana over the remaining ten games or backs down from his contract expectations (even more unlikely than the first option), his days in Cleveland are numbered.
The thing that Johnny fans are complaining about will only help his career IMO. Allowing the young rookie time to adjust to the NFL can only be seen as a positive in my book.
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Agreed, I don't see this FO giving Hoyer the kind of contract he will want with Johnny waiting in the wings. Hoyer has given this team a lot, but unless he turns into Joe Montana over the remaining ten games or backs down from his contract expectations (even more unlikely than the first option), his days in Cleveland are numbered.
The thing that Johnny fans are complaining about will only help his career IMO. Allowing the young rookie time to adjust to the NFL can only be seen as a positive in my book.
Agreed, I don't see this FO giving Hoyer the kind of contract he will want with Johnny waiting in the wings. Hoyer has given this team a lot, but unless he turns into Joe Montana over the remaining ten games ...
If we in fact get to play another "10 games", then I think Hoyer may well be able to name his price.
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Agreed, I don't see this FO giving Hoyer the kind of contract he will want with Johnny waiting in the wings. Hoyer has given this team a lot, but unless he turns into Joe Montana over the remaining ten games ...
If we in fact get to play another "10 games", then I think Hoyer may well be able to name his price.
If we in fact get to play another "10 games", then I think Hoyer may well be able to name his price.
He could pull a Joe Flacco on the Browns FA...lol
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He could pull a Joe Flacco on the Browns FA...lol
If Hoyer plays another 10 games, and goes 4-0 in the last 4, he can pull a Flacco all he wants. In Cleveland, they'd build statues of the guy.
Flacco has a huge salary, but every team would have given him the same deal after that post season.
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Hoyers completion percentage will keep the contract reasonable. If we finish with a winning record, ragrdless of a playoff birth I can see giving him a 4 year 35-40 mill deal. He gets more if he wins in the playoffs. Or he can crap the bed, lose the job to Manziel, and be playing with the coach hes already helped win, in Houston.
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He could pull a Joe Flacco on the Browns FA...lol
If Hoyer plays another 10 games, and goes 4-0 in the last 4, he can pull a Flacco all he wants. In Cleveland, they'd build statues of the guy.
Flacco has a huge salary, but every team would have given him the same deal after that post season.
If Hoyer plays another 10 games, and goes 4-0 in the last 4, he can pull a Flacco all he wants. In Cleveland, they'd build statues of the guy.
Flacco has a huge salary, but every team would have given him the same deal after that post season.
I don't think so - while I wasn't a member I did read this board from time to time around that late 2012 season and some peoples consensus was that both a dominating Oline and Anquan Boldin playing out of his mind
had more to do with that playoff run than anything.
If certain people on this board felt that way, I guarantee there were/are NFL front office exec's saying the same thing. The Ratbirds were in a familiar position though of walking away from a SuperBowl winning QB.
Only this time they put 100Mil on their signal caller. Really hasn't done much for them since then either.
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If Hoyer plays another 10 games, and goes 4-0 in the last 4, he can pull a Flacco all he wants. In Cleveland, they'd build statues of the guy.
Flacco has a huge salary, but every team would have given him the same deal after that post season.
I don't think so - while I wasn't a member I did read this board from time to time around that late 2012 season and some peoples consensus was that both a dominating Oline and Anquan Boldin playing out of his mind
had more to do with that playoff run than anything.
If certain people on this board felt that way, I guarantee there were/are NFL front office exec's saying the same thing. The Ratbirds were in a familiar position though of walking away from a SuperBowl winning QB.
Only this time they put 100Mil on their signal caller. Really hasn't done much for them since then either.
I don't think so - while I wasn't a member I did read this board from time to time around that late 2012 season and some peoples consensus was that both a dominating Oline and Anquan Boldin playing out of his mind
had more to do with that playoff run than anything.
If certain people on this board felt that way, I guarantee there were/are NFL front office exec's saying the same thing. The Ratbirds were in a familiar position though of walking away from a SuperBowl winning QB.
Only this time they put 100Mil on their signal caller. Really hasn't done much for them since then either.
Flacco had a great postseason though, it would have been madness to cut ties after a SB win. But he did get overpaid, anyway.
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He could pull a Joe Flacco on the Browns FA...lol
If Hoyer plays another 10 games, and goes 4-0 in the last 4, he can pull a Flacco all he wants. In Cleveland, they'd build statues of the guy.
Flacco has a huge salary, but every team would have given him the same deal after that post season.
If Hoyer plays another 10 games, and goes 4-0 in the last 4, he can pull a Flacco all he wants. In Cleveland, they'd build statues of the guy.
Flacco has a huge salary, but every team would have given him the same deal after that post season.
Yes. Ravens could have saved money by giving him the 18 mill a year salary he wanted before that season, he gambled in himself and won.
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If Hoyer plays another 10 games, and goes 4-0 in the last 4, he can pull a Flacco all he wants. In Cleveland, they'd build statues of the guy.
Flacco has a huge salary, but every team would have given him the same deal after that post season.
I don't think so - while I wasn't a member I did read this board from time to time around that late 2012 season and some peoples consensus was that both a dominating Oline and Anquan Boldin playing out of his mind
had more to do with that playoff run than anything.
If certain people on this board felt that way, I guarantee there were/are NFL front office exec's saying the same thing. The Ratbirds were in a familiar position though of walking away from a SuperBowl winning QB.
Only this time they put 100Mil on their signal caller. Really hasn't done much for them since then either.
I don't think so - while I wasn't a member I did read this board from time to time around that late 2012 season and some peoples consensus was that both a dominating Oline and Anquan Boldin playing out of his mind
had more to do with that playoff run than anything.
If certain people on this board felt that way, I guarantee there were/are NFL front office exec's saying the same thing. The Ratbirds were in a familiar position though of walking away from a SuperBowl winning QB.
Only this time they put 100Mil on their signal caller. Really hasn't done much for them since then either.
Boldin really didn't do as well as puerile make it out to be...I mean he did very well but Honestly the offense was really balanced and that was the key.
Colts took away Torrey and Boldin torched them. Broncos took away Boldin, and Torrey smoked them. Patriots then tried to zone, especially after talib watalib injured, to make us earn every yard and in the second half Flacco played lights out and drove us down the field play by play over and over. Niners just didn't match our intensity on both sides of the ball until Goodell pulled the plug - I mean the lights went out and stole our momentum.
Boldin was a key piece, but not THE KEY piece.
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