How many games would we have to lose before you bench Hoyer
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I put this question in the category of "too early to ask". Come back if your original scenario plays out and the Browns are totally out of playoff contention. Then ask it.
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So no ginger ale for me- ever. Mr. Hoorta
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When I was kid, I had knee surgery, and they kept bringing me ginger ale
because I was tired of water. Well, that sucked the first time, and made me
sick every time after that. But, they kept bringing me ginger ale. Made for
a little drama - they'd bring it, and tell me I had to drink something, and I'd
say it was nasty, and refused. So, my surgeon shows up, and they complain
to him that I wouldn't drink the ginger ale, or water. So, he turns to me and
grins and asked me about it, and asked what I -would- like, and then turned
to the stuffy, unfriendly nurse, and yelled for her to work another wing, and
had my new nurse, to get me some root beer. She was cute, too.
and I've been a root beer guy ever since. I wouln't remember this story,
except a several years ago, we were out on our pontoon boat, and all we had was
Vernor's, and it all came back to me. I'd rather drink the lake water and get sick,
if I had to choose....
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And you don't bench a qb just because you lose some games.
Eventually, you bench him when his play is consistently the sole reason
that the offense is being held back over time.
Hoyer has had a few rough outings, and has also shined brilliantly.
Give the Browns player hate, especially the qb, a rest ?
Just my dumb opinion....
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The Browns defense is decimated. I looked up the depth chart and there wasn't even a name next to C Nick McDonald.
The Browns defense is decimated. I looked up the depth chart and there wasn't even a name next to C Nick McDonald.
It's likely Greco if McDonald goes down.
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It's likely Greco if McDonald goes down.
... or Bito...
Meanwhile back at the thread...
Given that it is logical that we are only in contention for a post-season spot so long as Hoyer continues to play decent ball, most seem to agree that so long as the playoffs are possible Hoyer starts.
For those that think now is too late to make a QB change:
Asked one day recently about Manziel’s readiness to play in the NFL, Pettine gave a notably tepid endorsement, telling reporters, “He’s shown the ability in glimpses to be a starting quarterback here in the NFL.” Another person familiar with the coaching staff’s assessment of Manziel put it more bluntly: “He’s isn’t ready.”
The entire article is worth a read and fairly balanced.
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**This is a fucking hypothetical scenario, I'm not calling for Hoyer's head..For all you sensitive fucks.. I just think this is an interesting question**
I say if we go below .500 at any point, I say we give Manziel the starting role for the rest of the season
....I'm not calling for Hoyer's head..For all you sensitive fucks.. I just think this is an interesting question......
Ahahaha. You dont honestly think we can "discuss" this in a mature way, do you? It appears that everyone didn't take the time to comprehend the "conditions" of your post. And anyone open to change at QB is just a hater.
Personally, I dont instantly see hate when people talk about switching QB's(or any other position).
Listen, it's cool to switch players like RB's, LB's and Ol, but you cannot even discuss QB's without being labelled hater or fanboi.
My money says if GILBERT suddenly became starter, nobody would bitch and MOST would be happy our 1st pick was now starting. I doubt there would be too many ""Save Buster Skrine"" threads, even though he's playing GREAT right now.
But, if the same scenario played out with the QB's, there would be hell to pay.......oh yes there would
And I haven't even said who I think should start, but Im sure if I did, someone here will interpret it as me being a bad fan or label me as a Hoyer hater or Johnny fanboi or visa versa.....instead of just accepting the truth, which is most of us are unbiased fans just trying to discuss options for our team....
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"" As a Steeler fan, I can't wait until Johnny plays. There are legit reasons her wasn't wanted by anyone but the Browns, there are reasons why countless QB experts wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole, the kid excelled at playground football but never used a playbook.""
God this is a moronic post. Just dumb.
1. Only Browns wanted Manziel. Bullshit. Lots of teams wanted Manziel, but he wasn't the right fit for whatever reason, but the MAIN reason he went #22 and not higher in the draft is that he is only 5' 11" and change. He's the ONLY qb under 6" to be drafted in the first round in the super bowl era. If he was 6' 2", it would have been a lot different.
2. Playground football. Its called extending plays, and it's pretty funny you as a Steeler fan would discount that ability for a qb, when that's Big Rapist's greatest asset. Johnny does it differently than Big Rapist, but big plays happen when Johnny extends plays.
3. Never used a playbook. Johnny had THE BEST passer rating in college football IN THE POCKET last year. Pretty sure he knew the playbook. And Pettine the other day said johnny's come a long way, which tells me he's doing a good job learning the Browns playbook.
To answer op's question, Hoyer should play as long as the team feels they are better with him on the field. It's Pettine's job to read the team and figure out which qb is best to lead them. He's done a good job so far-Hoyer's lead them to 6-4 and Johnny hasn't been thrown to the wolves too early.
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After looking into the DHBF crystal ball, I see Hoyer gone after this season, and Manziel/Shaw fighting for the starting position. Hoyer will ask for too much $$$ and they won't give it.
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Fun fact :
Paul McDonalds completion average was 53.6
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After looking into the DHBF crystal ball, I see Hoyer gone after this season, and Manziel/Shaw fighting for the starting position. Hoyer will ask for too much $$$ and they won't give it.
I hope that if Brian Hoyer is actually gone that the coaching staff doesn't dilly dick around all preseason with some sort of bullshit competition. Start the high draft pick and give him all the reps with the first team. Unless front office really has their heads up their asses like last year.After looking into the DHBF crystal ball, I see Hoyer gone after this season, and Manziel/Shaw fighting for the starting position. Hoyer will ask for too much $$$ and they won't give it.
WSS
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Once again, be careful what you ask for, you just might be saddled with it.
GO BROWNS !
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That's true. Like the guy that's been married to the same woman for years; she's a little bit dowdy, not a great cook (but OK) not really sexy (though not a pig) but you know each other well. On the other hand is that 25 year old secretary at work with the big tits and a beautiful smile that keeps asking why you never ask her out.....Once again, be careful what you ask for, you just might be saddled with it.
GO BROWNS !
WSS
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"" As a Steeler fan, I can't wait until Johnny plays. There are legit reasons her wasn't wanted by anyone but the Browns, there are reasons why countless QB experts wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole, the kid excelled at playground football but never used a playbook.""
God this is a moronic post. Just dumb.
1. Only Browns wanted Manziel. Bullshit. Lots of teams wanted Manziel, but he wasn't the right fit for whatever reason, but the MAIN reason he went #22 and not higher in the draft is that he is only 5' 11" and change. He's the ONLY qb under 6" to be drafted in the first round in the super bowl era. If he was 6' 2", it would have been a lot different.
2. Playground football. Its called extending plays, and it's pretty funny you as a Steeler fan would discount that ability for a qb, when that's Big Rapist's greatest asset. Johnny does it differently than Big Rapist, but big plays happen when Johnny extends plays.
3. Never used a playbook. Johnny had THE BEST passer rating in college football IN THE POCKET last year. Pretty sure he knew the playbook. And Pettine the other day said johnny's come a long way, which tells me he's doing a good job learning the Browns playbook.
To answer op's question, Hoyer should play as long as the team feels they are better with him on the field. It's Pettine's job to read the team and figure out which qb is best to lead them. He's done a good job so far-Hoyer's lead them to 6-4 and Johnny hasn't been thrown to the wolves too early.
To answer op's question, Hoyer should play as long as the team feels they are better with him on the field. It's Pettine's job
After looking into the DHBF crystal ball, I see Hoyer gone after this season, and Manziel/Shaw fighting for the starting position.
I hope that if Brian Hoyer is actually gone that the coaching staff....
Once again, be careful what you ask for, you just might be saddled with it.
GO BROWNS !
Once again, as I said in my previous post, we're just discussing possibilities. No one is "asking" for anything. Why do we need to turn a prediction that Hoyer signs elsewhere and a "what if" scenario into someone wishing for something???
That's true. Like the guy that's been married to the same woman for years; she's a little bit dowdy, not a great cook (but OK) not really sexy (though not a pig) but you know each other well. On the other hand is that 25 year old secretary at work with the big tits and a beautiful smile that keeps asking why you never ask her out.....
WSS
And, even if you dont ever touch her, you definitely should be able to discuss those big titties with your friends
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To answer op's question, Hoyer should play as long as the team feels they are better with him on the field. It's Pettine's job
After looking into the DHBF crystal ball, I see Hoyer gone after this season, and Manziel/Shaw fighting for the starting position.
I hope that if Brian Hoyer is actually gone that the coaching staff....
Once again, be careful what you ask for, you just might be saddled with it.
GO BROWNS !
Once again, as I said in my previous post, we're just discussing possibilities. No one is "asking" for anything. Why do we need to turn a prediction that Hoyer signs elsewhere and a "what if" scenario into someone wishing for something???
That's true. Like the guy that's been married to the same woman for years; she's a little bit dowdy, not a great cook (but OK) not really sexy (though not a pig) but you know each other well. On the other hand is that 25 year old secretary at work with the big tits and a beautiful smile that keeps asking why you never ask her out.....
WSS
And, even if you dont ever touch her, you definitely should be able to discuss those big titties with your friends
Once again, as I said in my previous post, we're just discussing possibilities. No one is "asking" for anything. Why do we need to turn a prediction that Hoyer signs elsewhere and a "what if" scenario into someone wishing for something???
Why would a so called fan of a football team, create a post ASKING how many games would we have to lose before Hoyer gets benched ? It's called reading between the lines. But to answer that question , probably as many games as it would take to fire Pettine . BTW I didn't say anybody was wishing for anything, I said be careful what you ASK for.
And, even if you dont ever touch her, you definitely should be able to discuss those big titties with your friends
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That's true. Like the guy that's been married to the same woman for years; she's a little bit dowdy, not a great cook (but OK) not really sexy (though not a pig) but you know each other well. On the other hand is that 25 year old secretary at work with the big tits and a beautiful smile that keeps asking why you never ask her out.....Once again, be careful what you ask for, you just might be saddled with it.
GO BROWNS !
WSS
That's true. Like the guy that's been married to the same woman for years; she's a little bit dowdy, not a great cook (but OK) not really sexy (though not a pig) but you know each other well. On the other hand is that 25 year old secretary at work with the big tits and a beautiful smile that keeps asking why you never ask her out.....
WSS
Kind of a strange analogy but I hear ya. You don't know if the girl with the big tits and the great smile has aids and might burn your house down. Love the one you're with.
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That's true. Like the guy that's been married to the same woman for years; she's a little bit dowdy, not a great cook (but OK) not really sexy (though not a pig) but you know each other well. On the other hand is that 25 year old secretary at work with the big tits and a beautiful smile that keeps asking why you never ask her out.....
WSS
Kind of a strange analogy but I hear ya. You don't know if the girl with the big tits and the great smile has aids and might burn your house down. Love the one you're with.
Kind of a strange analogy but I hear ya. You don't know if the girl with the big tits and the great smile has aids and might burn your house down. Love the one you're with.
Well that ain't quite the underlying meaning behind that song but...
WSS
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in the end what we think really doesn't matter does it?
whatever this FO decides to do i'll get behind it, until something hinky happens. i've liked what i've seen out of farmer and pettine and if a QB change is what they deem necessary then i'll be behind it.
now i've heard that if hoyer takes 70% of the snaps this year he's due an xtra $2 mil bonus. i would think he'd be close to that percentage with two more starts.
btw the QB competition in preseason is just a dumb idea, unless of course you have no idea what you have in either/all of your QBs. i believe with hoyer coming back from an injury and having two rookies on the roster this was the only option given to the FO in TC.
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in the end what we think really doesn't matter does it?
whatever this FO decides to do i'll get behind it, until something hinky happens. i've liked what i've seen out of farmer and pettine and if a QB change is what they deem necessary then i'll be behind it.
now i've heard that if hoyer takes 70% of the snaps this year he's due an xtra $2 mil bonus. i would think he'd be close to that percentage with two more starts.
btw the QB competition in preseason is just a dumb idea, unless of course you have no idea what you have in either/all of your QBs. i believe with hoyer coming back from an injury and having two rookies on the roster this was the only option given to the FO in TC.
in the end what we think really doesn't matter does it?
whatever this FO decides to do i'll get behind it, until something kinky happens. i've liked what i've seen out of farmer and pettine and if a QB change is what they deem necessary then i'll be behind it.
now i've heard that if hoyer takes 70% of the snaps this year he's due an xtra $2 mil bonus. i would think he'd be close to that percentage with two more starts.
btw the QB competition in preseason is just a dumb idea, unless of course you have no idea what you have in either/all of your QBs. i believe with hoyer coming back from an injury and having two rookies on the roster this was the only option given to the FO in TC.
I agree with your last point, but we had a new FO and coaching staff that wasn't sure what they had regardless. (I guess Farmer was here, but how much did he see of practice or hear from Chud about Hoyer, or how much of Chuds word would he take)
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