If you think Stockton is a real browns fan then sign here
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If you really think that, which he's not by any means, what kind of contract would you offer him?
I'd start at around 10 mil a year, if I had to I'd go to 12.5. Much higher than that then hello johnny
I'd start at around 10 mil a year, if I had to I'd go to 12.5. Much higher than that then hello johnny
hahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha 10 million a year? LOL dude you're fucking nuts.
And why would you give Manziel a contract? He already has one on the cheap dummy
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I'd start at around 10 mil a year, if I had to I'd go to 12.5. Much higher than that then hello johnny
hahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha 10 million a year? LOL dude you're fucking nuts.
And why would you give Manziel a contract? He already has one on the cheap dummy
hahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha 10 million a year? LOL dude you're fucking nuts.
And why would you give Manziel a contract? He already has one on the cheap dummy
Yes, 10 million a year for hoyer. I'd be ecstatic to keep him at that price. And what the hell do you mean about manziel? No kidding he's already under contract ....
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hahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha 10 million a year? LOL dude you're fucking nuts.
And why would you give Manziel a contract? He already has one on the cheap dummy
Yes, 10 million a year for hoyer. I'd be ecstatic to keep him at that price. And what the hell do you mean about manziel? No kidding he's already under contract ....
Yes, 10 million a year for hoyer. I'd be ecstatic to keep him at that price. And what the hell do you mean about manziel? No kidding he's already under contract ....
I like Brian Hoyers attitude, I like the fact he's considered a leader, and a hometown guy thats won some games for us.
He will not get that kind of money, period. His agent is going to push him to get that, but he won't get it here.
He's currently last in completion percentage and in the bottom half of QB rating with only 11 TD's, he's not getting top 15 money, sorry. They look at every little factor when millions of dollars are at stake.
I would like to see him resigned if he can improve down the stretch on a short term deal but if you expect some 5 year +60 million contract, it's not going to be here.
I'd like to see Hoyer play good for 2-3 years before so we don't have a Matt Shuab, Matt Flynn, Derek Anderson type situation.
Giving huge contract to players based off 1 season isn't smart football management
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Yes, 10 million a year for hoyer. I'd be ecstatic to keep him at that price. And what the hell do you mean about manziel? No kidding he's already under contract ....
I like Brian Hoyers attitude, I like the fact he's considered a leader, and a hometown guy thats won some games for us.
He will not get that kind of money, period. His agent is going to push him to get that, but he won't get it here.
He's currently last in completion percentage and in the bottom half of QB rating with only 11 TD's, he's not getting top 15 money, sorry. They look at every little factor when millions of dollars are at stake.
I would like to see him resigned if he can improve down the stretch on a short term deal but if you expect some 5 year +60 million contract, it's not going to be here.
I'd like to see Hoyer play good for 2-3 years before so we don't have a Matt Shuab, Matt Flynn, Derek Anderson type situation.
Giving huge contract to players based off 1 season isn't smart football management
I like Brian Hoyers attitude, I like the fact he's considered a leader, and a hometown guy thats won some games for us.
He will not get that kind of money, period. His agent is going to push him to get that, but he won't get it here.
He's currently last in completion percentage and in the bottom half of QB rating, he's not getting top 15 money, sorry.
I would like to see him resigned if he can improve down the stretch on a short term deal but if you expect some 5 year +60 million contract, it's not going to be here.
I don't know where the browns front office guys' heads are at with the QB situation. I'm telling you what I'd do. And like I've said multiple times, I don't give a rats ass what stats tell you, stats are inconsistent and don't tell you all that much when they're relative to other players. I can give you Matt cassels stats in New England and his stats in minny and ask you which QB you think is better. See how this doesn't work? Stats are for autistics. I see what we have in hoyer with his intangibles and mentality. He played like complete poop today, abd him stepping it up again to clean up his mess and lead another game winning drive gave me even more faith in him. Did you see joe Thomas' and josh Gordon's quotes after the game? His teammates love him and believe in him.
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I like Brian Hoyers attitude, I like the fact he's considered a leader, and a hometown guy thats won some games for us.
He will not get that kind of money, period. His agent is going to push him to get that, but he won't get it here.
He's currently last in completion percentage and in the bottom half of QB rating, he's not getting top 15 money, sorry.
I would like to see him resigned if he can improve down the stretch on a short term deal but if you expect some 5 year +60 million contract, it's not going to be here.
I don't know where the browns front office guys' heads are at with the QB situation. I'm telling you what I'd do. And like I've said multiple times, I don't give a rats ass what stats tell you, stats are inconsistent and don't tell you all that much when they're relative to other players. I can give you Matt cassels stats in New England and his stats in minny and ask you which QB you think is better. See how this doesn't work? Stats are for autistics. I see what we have in hoyer with his intangibles and mentality. He played like complete poop today, abd him stepping it up again to clean up his mess and lead another game winning drive gave me even more faith in him. Did you see joe Thomas' and josh Gordon's quotes after the game? His teammates love him and believe in him.
I don't know where the browns front office guys' heads are at with the QB situation. I'm telling you what I'd do. And like I've said multiple times, I don't give a rats ass what stats tell you, stats are inconsistent and don't tell you all that much when they're relative to other players. I can give you Matt cassels stats in New England and his stats in minny and ask you which QB you think is better. See how this doesn't work? Stats are for autistics. I see what we have in hoyer with his intangibles and mentality. He played like complete poop today, abd him stepping it up again to clean up his mess and lead another game winning drive gave me even more faith in him. Did you see joe Thomas' and josh Gordon's quotes after the game? His teammates love him and believe in him.
The only stat I care about is the number in the win columns and Brian is killing it there. Suck it haters!
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I like Brian Hoyers attitude, I like the fact he's considered a leader, and a hometown guy thats won some games for us.
He will not get that kind of money, period. His agent is going to push him to get that, but he won't get it here.
He's currently last in completion percentage and in the bottom half of QB rating, he's not getting top 15 money, sorry.
I would like to see him resigned if he can improve down the stretch on a short term deal but if you expect some 5 year +60 million contract, it's not going to be here.
I don't know where the browns front office guys' heads are at with the QB situation. I'm telling you what I'd do. And like I've said multiple times, I don't give a rats ass what stats tell you, stats are inconsistent and don't tell you all that much when they're relative to other players. I can give you Matt cassels stats in New England and his stats in minny and ask you which QB you think is better. See how this doesn't work? Stats are for autistics. I see what we have in hoyer with his intangibles and mentality. He played like complete poop today, abd him stepping it up again to clean up his mess and lead another game winning drive gave me even more faith in him. Did you see joe Thomas' and josh Gordon's quotes after the game? His teammates love him and believe in him.
I don't know where the browns front office guys' heads are at with the QB situation. I'm telling you what I'd do. And like I've said multiple times, I don't give a rats ass what stats tell you, stats are inconsistent and don't tell you all that much when they're relative to other players. I can give you Matt cassels stats in New England and his stats in minny and ask you which QB you think is better. See how this doesn't work? Stats are for autistics. I see what we have in hoyer with his intangibles and mentality. He played like complete poop today, abd him stepping it up again to clean up his mess and lead another game winning drive gave me even more faith in him. Did you see joe Thomas' and josh Gordon's quotes after the game? His teammates love him and believe in him.
Stats do MATTER especially when it comes down to $MONEY$, NFL management, agents, and contract negotiations.
My college roommate is currently a sports agent in Miami and you have no idea how critical it is how much stats matter, maybe not to you but to everyone else involved. A missed TD, int, or fumble here, extra 100 yards rushing, extra sack there can be a million(s) dollar swing.
Who do you think is getting paid more? The QB with 28 TD's and 4 int's with 3000+ yards and 100+ rating
or the QB with 14 TD's 9 int's < 3000 yards and lower 90 rating????????
Stats are a reflection of how you play on the field.
Would you rather have a RB with 1600 yards and averages 5 yards a carry or the running back who runs with heart and has 770 yards and a 3.4 ypc? RB#1 gets paid more.
Stats matter and players and agents use them as leverage to increase their contracts which is why agents are often considered slimy scumbags.
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I think he's a Browns fan. Something got jumbled along the way though. It's pretty evident he cares more about the failure of one guy than the success of our team, just for the sake of being right, l guess.
It's disheartening, really. He's a smart guy, and l'd love to hear his perspective on many other aspects of the game and revel in the successes of the team with him, but his agenda trumps all.
you are way too nice of a guy.
i don't know what kind of bullshit deflector you're wearing but mine wore out about 3 days into the first of many stockton rants. the is no conversation there. he doesn't hear you. he's a friggin devil robot placed on earth to make people jump off buildings and throw themselves in front of buses. sorta like the plants and trees in that m. night shylaman bomb of a flick 'the happening'.
you are way too nice of a guy.
i don't know what kind of bullshit deflector you're wearing but mine wore out about 3 days into the first of many stockton rants. the is no conversation there. he doesn't hear you. he's a friggin devil robot placed on earth to make people jump off buildings and throw themselves in front of buses. sorta like the plants and trees in that m. night shylaman bomb of a flick 'the happening'.
No Mik. Don't you start with me. I like you too damn much. Fuck you.
We all have our favorite villains on this board we like to spar with. Imagine if Stockton could evolve, and instead of just annoying the shit out of us about Brian Hoyer, he could annoy the shit out of us about Terrance West, or John Greco, or ANYONE besides Brian Hoyer.
But your analogy was spot on.
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I don't know where the browns front office guys' heads are at with the QB situation. I'm telling you what I'd do. And like I've said multiple times, I don't give a rats ass what stats tell you, stats are inconsistent and don't tell you all that much when they're relative to other players. I can give you Matt cassels stats in New England and his stats in minny and ask you which QB you think is better. See how this doesn't work? Stats are for autistics. I see what we have in hoyer with his intangibles and mentality. He played like complete poop today, abd him stepping it up again to clean up his mess and lead another game winning drive gave me even more faith in him. Did you see joe Thomas' and josh Gordon's quotes after the game? His teammates love him and believe in him.
Stats do MATTER especially when it comes down to $MONEY$, NFL management, agents, and contract negotiations.
My college roommate is currently a sports agent in Miami and you have no idea how critical it is how much stats matter, maybe not to you but to everyone else involved. A missed TD, int, or fumble here, extra 100 yards rushing, extra sack there can be a million(s) dollar swing.
Who do you think is getting paid more? The QB with 28 TD's and 4 int's with 3000+ yards and 100+ rating
or the QB with 14 TD's 9 int's < 3000 yards and lower 90 rating????????
Stats are a reflection of how you play on the field.
Would you rather have a RB with 1600 yards and averages 5 yards a carry or the running back who runs with heart and has 770 yards and a 3.4 ypc? RB#1 gets paid more.
Stats matter and players and agents use them as leverage to increase their contracts which is why agents are often considered slimy scumbags.
Stats do MATTER especially when it comes down to $MONEY$, NFL management, agents, and contract negotiations.
My college roommate is currently a sports agent in Miami and you have no idea how critical it is how much stats matter, maybe not to you but to everyone else involved. A missed TD, int, or fumble here, extra 100 yards rushing, extra sack there can be a million(s) dollar swing.
Who do you think is getting paid more? The QB with 28 TD's and 4 int's with 3000+ yards and 100+ rating
or the QB with 14 TD's 9 int's < 3000 yards and lower 90 rating????????
Stats are a reflection of how you play on the field.
Would you rather have a RB with 1600 yards and averages 5 yards a carry or the running back who runs with heart and has 770 yards and a 3.4 ypc? RB#1 gets paid more.
Stats matter and players and agents use them as leverage to increase their contracts which is why agents are often considered slimy scumbags.
Ok let's compare 2 different stat lines from a season in which the running back played in 16 games
A: 737 rush yards, 3.5 ypc, 6 rush td's, 46.1ypg, 22 rec, 145 rec yds, 0 rec tds
B: 1590 rush yards, 5.0 ypc, 11 rush td's, 99.4 ypg, 23 rec, 196 rec yds, 1 rec td's
Alright so based off that who's the better player, A or B?
Oh wait, it's the same fucking person. A is marshawn lynch in 2010 age 24 and B him in 2012 age 26
Idc what you tell me, stats mean absolutely nothing to the ability of a player. Nothing. At all. They are for Retards and autistics
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Stats do MATTER especially when it comes down to $MONEY$, NFL management, agents, and contract negotiations.
My college roommate is currently a sports agent in Miami and you have no idea how critical it is how much stats matter, maybe not to you but to everyone else involved. A missed TD, int, or fumble here, extra 100 yards rushing, extra sack there can be a million(s) dollar swing.
Who do you think is getting paid more? The QB with 28 TD's and 4 int's with 3000+ yards and 100+ rating
or the QB with 14 TD's 9 int's < 3000 yards and lower 90 rating????????
Stats are a reflection of how you play on the field.
Would you rather have a RB with 1600 yards and averages 5 yards a carry or the running back who runs with heart and has 770 yards and a 3.4 ypc? RB#1 gets paid more.
Stats matter and players and agents use them as leverage to increase their contracts which is why agents are often considered slimy scumbags.
Ok let's compare 2 different stat lines from a season in which the running back played in 16 games
A: 737 rush yards, 3.5 ypc, 6 rush td's, 46.1ypg, 22 rec, 145 rec yds, 0 rec tds
B: 1590 rush yards, 5.0 ypc, 11 rush td's, 99.4 ypg, 23 rec, 196 rec yds, 1 rec td's
Alright so based off that who's the better player, A or B?
Oh wait, it's the same fucking person. A is marshawn lynch in 2010 age 24 and B him in 2012 age 26
Idc what you tell me, stats mean absolutely nothing to the ability of a player. Nothing. At all. They are for Retards and autistics
Stats mean absolutely nothing to the ability of a player. Nothing. At all. They are for Retards and autistics
You're obviously Retarded if you think stats don't matter.
They are a reflection of your performance on the field and often dictate how much a player will get paid.
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You can throw all those bullshit stats out the window especially the horseshit QB rating . Stats don't mean shit other than a barometer
for talking heads to spin it however they want. The intangibles like self confidence leadership and the way it relates to your teammates will make or break a TEAM. The ONLY thing that matters is WINS. Stats don't win shit. Dan Marino had great stats and never won shit. Eli Mannings stats were average and won two Super Bowls. The Browns are 7-4 and I'm excited as hell.
GO BROWNS !
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Stats mean absolutely nothing to the ability of a player. Nothing. At all. They are for Retards and autistics
You're obviously Retarded if you think stats don't matter.
They are a reflection of your performance on the field and often dictate how much a player will get paid.
Sure. They mean nothing to your actual abilities as a player though. Stats are inconsistent. They don't tell the whole story, they're for autistics who can't judge a player based off his physical and mental attributes. I showed you marshawn lunch's stats. 2 different environments 2 completely different results. He was not a different athlete at age 26 than he was at 24. I can list a million more examples if you'd likeYou're obviously Retarded if you think stats don't matter.
They are a reflection of your performance on the field and often dictate how much a player will get paid.
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Let me break it down for you Upper Lip,
I talked to Eugene (my old roommate) who is a certified NFLPA agent and asked him about The Brian Hoyer situation about 3 weeks ago over the phone.
The players use stats (even the ones that come in garbage time) against NFL management as a way to increase their salaries and contracts the same way NFL management uses bad stats against them to keep their contracts reasonable. It's simple negotiations.
If you don't think Brian Hoyer is pissed about those 3 picks he threw today, think again, him and his agents are losing big time money on that. FACT FACT FACT. Sure he's glad he won but with each bad performance goes money out the window. You can talk "Heart and soul and leadership" all you want but these agents and managers are ruthless and want quantitative data to base their financial decisions off of.
Hoyer is going to get paid a lot more posting 20 TD's and 5 ints than 15 TD's and 10 int's ESPECIALLY in a contract year.
Since Hoyer is in a contract year, Hoyer is going to want to post bigger numbers to increase his the money he will be given in his contract.
Yes, there are things that don't show up in stats like leadership, quality of throws, etc but all that hometown hero bullshit goes out the window when some desperate team like the Jets (using as an example) throws 15+ million at him and The Browns only offer 6-7 million.
Sure, the only stat that matters is W/L but when it comes to players getting big money, stats are often the evidence that gets them massive contracts.
Peyton Manning, Aarron Rogers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Drew Brees don't get 100 million dollar contracts for average stats. They get those contracts because they are statistically prolific or were at some point in their careers.
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Sorry, I forgot what the thread was about. Yea Stocky is a Browns fan , yet he lets his intellect cloud common sense. A typical Freudian malady.
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Let me break it down for you Upper Lip,
I talked to Eugene (my old roommate) who is a certified NFLPA agent and asked him about The Brian Hoyer situation about 3 weeks ago over the phone.
The players use stats (even the ones that come in garbage time) against NFL management as a way to increase their salaries and contracts the same way NFL management uses bad stats against them to keep their contracts reasonable. It's simple negotiations.
If you don't think Brian Hoyer is pissed about those 3 picks he threw today, think again, him and his agents are losing big time money on that. FACT FACT FACT. Sure he's glad he won but with each bad performance goes money out the window. You can talk "Heart and soul and leadership" all you want but these agents and managers are ruthless and want quantitative data to base their financial decisions off of.
Hoyer is going to get paid a lot more posting 20 TD's and 5 ints than 15 TD's and 10 int's ESPECIALLY in a contract year.
Since Hoyer is in a contract year, Hoyer is going to want to post bigger numbers to increase his the money he will be given in his contract.
Yes, there are things that don't show up in stats like leadership, quality of throws, etc but all that hometown hero bullshit goes out the window when some desperate team like the Jets (using as an example) throws 15+ million at him and The Browns only offer 6-7 million.
Sure, the only stat that matters is W/L but when it comes to players getting big money, stats are often the evidence that gets them massive contracts.
Peyton Manning, Aarron Rogers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Drew Brees don't get 100 million dollar contracts for average stats. They get those contracts because they are statistically prolific or were at some point in their careers.
Stats might not matter to you or the average fan,
but when millions of dollars are on the line and players have agents that will use them to pry as much cash away as possible, they are everything.
My god you are autistic. I told you sure on that aspect. A players stats will always be used to base contracts. They mean absolutely nothing to a players actual ability though. Smart gm's know how to stay away from players with limited abilities who command big contracts based on big stats in a situation tailor made for his stats to look nice
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This has nothing to do with this thread but the catch that Odell beckham just made was one of the best catches I've ever seen.
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This has nothing to do with this thread but the catch that Odell beckham just made was one of the best catches I've ever seen.
This has nothing to do with this thread but the catch that Odell beckham just made was one of the best catches I've ever seen.
Topics come and go.
Yay for Odell.
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