***Official Browns @ Falcons Game Day Thread***
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Seattle was 30th in total passing offense last year. I see you avoided that little stat.
Rodgers plays on a stacked team but won his SuperBowl when Starks emerged and his defense was #2 in the NFL.
Manning is 7-3 almost 7-4 and the donkeys are looking suspect against Miami.
Luck has an OC that will throw until the kids arm falls off. Plus they have NO running game now.
Brady plays on a run first team and experienced his greatest success on a run first team. He was the one example you should NOT have used.
Total Passing is like Total Defense, misleading stat. The question is can you throw it in the end zone, Seattle was 10th in TD passes last year.
That isn't an answer for Rodgers or Manning both are still in the running to win a Super Bowl this year.
New England's last Super Bowl was 2004 and while I will admit in the early 2000's defense and running was the plan, it isn't now.
Total Passing is like Total Defense, misleading stat. The question is can you throw it in the end zone, Seattle was 10th in TD passes last year.
That isn't an answer for Rodgers or Manning both are still in the running to win a Super Bowl this year.
New England's last Super Bowl was 2004 and while I will admit in the early 2000's defense and running was the plan, it isn't now.
Not really, the Hawks weren't a passing team. What it shows is that when they went to pass they could be effective off play action. However their gameplan was establish the LOS, feed beast most, and roll out Wilson off of that.
To say that Seattle could sling it around at will is folly.
That is an answer for Rodgers and Manning as neither have won a Superbowl without those two defining factors of a team. You HAVE to be able to run the ball and you HAVE to be able to play defense. It's that simple.
Again, it clearly is the plan now as that what makes San Fran and Seattle successful. You think it was Cam Newton that took the Panthers to a 12 win season?
The gmen won 2 superbowls on the back of an elite Dline and dependable run game.
The Steelers won 2 superbowls with an elite pass rush and a steady QB.
The teams you reference are complete teams with very good QB's. If you put Manning on the Jags that offense is still going to struggle.
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Chicago & Baltimore would agree, they won a Super Bowl doing this.
In 1985 and 2000 but thanks for playing.
In 1985 and 2000 but thanks for playing.
Football has evolved soooo much since then (sarcasm)
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Gordon admits that he messed up on a few plays :
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Jaws on Hoyer and our RB's :
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"I can't even believe we still won with how I played" - Brian Hoyer
I love hearing that from him, and he is 100% right. He has got to play better than he has in recent weeks if we are going to make the playoffs, and he has to play much, much better if we're going to win a playoff game.
With all of our injuries on both sides of the ball, he is going to have to be lights out as a game manager, and get back to the way he played early in the season when he never turned the ball over.
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"I can't even believe we still won with how I played" - Brian Hoyer
I love hearing that from him, and he is 100% right. He has got to play better than he has in recent weeks if we are going to make the playoffs, and he has to play much, much better if we're going to win a playoff game.
With all of our injuries on both sides of the ball, he is going to have to be lights out as a game manager, and get back to the way he played early in the season when he never turned the ball over.
"I can't even believe we still won with how I played" - Brian Hoyer
I love hearing that from him, and he is 100% right. He has got to play better than he has in recent weeks if we are going to make the playoffs, and he has to play much, much better if we're going to win a playoff game.
With all of our injuries on both sides of the ball, he is going to have to be lights out as a game manager, and get back to the way he played early in the season when he never turned the ball over.
He's right. He played bad and he realizes it. His play lately hasn't been good. But, he was able to make another game winning drive.
Winners win and he's a winner. Don't care if he's dead last in every stat.
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"I can't even believe we still won with how I played" - Brian Hoyer
I love hearing that from him, and he is 100% right. He has got to play better than he has in recent weeks if we are going to make the playoffs, and he has to play much, much better if we're going to win a playoff game.
With all of our injuries on both sides of the ball, he is going to have to be lights out as a game manager, and get back to the way he played early in the season when he never turned the ball over.
"I can't even believe we still won with how I played" - Brian Hoyer
I love hearing that from him, and he is 100% right. He has got to play better than he has in recent weeks if we are going to make the playoffs, and he has to play much, much better if we're going to win a playoff game.
With all of our injuries on both sides of the ball, he is going to have to be lights out as a game manager, and get back to the way he played early in the season when he never turned the ball over.
This is key.
But from what I'm seeing from BH is that stats don't really matter . . . it all comes down to the W or L.
This is in essence is the "IT" factor, and BH definitely has that - probably as much as Brian Sipe did.
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Pre game warm ups - this is Joe Haden making this catch in the background :
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Browns Win!!! Fuck y'all throwing negativity on the party!!!
Just doing what Pettine will do (see first quote in sig).
Top 4 in passing TDs this year Manning, Rodgers, Luck & Brady...hmmm you're right this is a running league
The fact that there are QBs filling the #1-4 slots in TD passes proves it's a passing league?
Well three of the five top TD scorers are RBs... Lynch, Thomas, Charles, Cobb and Foster...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Browns Win!!! Fuck y'all throwing negativity on the party!!!
Just doing what Pettine will do (see first quote in sig).
Top 4 in passing TDs this year Manning, Rodgers, Luck & Brady...hmmm you're right this is a running league
The fact that there are QBs filling the #1-4 slots in TD passes proves it's a passing league?
Well three of the five top TD scorers are RBs... Lynch, Thomas, Charles, Cobb and Foster...
The fact that there are QBs filling the #1-4 slots in TD passes proves it's a passing league?
Well three of the five top TD scorers are RBs... Lynch, Thomas, Charles, Cobb and Foster...
Don''t confuse him with facts T, he want's shanny to throw the ball 60 times, after all, it's 2014, and he can do it on Madden.
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"I can't even believe we still won with how I played" - Brian Hoyer
I love hearing that from him, and he is 100% right. He has got to play better than he has in recent weeks if we are going to make the playoffs, and he has to play much, much better if we're going to win a playoff game.
With all of our injuries on both sides of the ball, he is going to have to be lights out as a game manager, and get back to the way he played early in the season when he never turned the ball over.
This is key.
But from what I'm seeing from BH is that stats don't really matter . . . it all comes down to the W or L.
This is in essence is the "IT" factor, and BH definitely has that - probably as much as Brian Sipe did.
But from what I'm seeing from BH is that stats don't really matter . . . it all comes down to the W or L.
This is in essence is the "IT" factor, and BH definitely has that - probably as much as Brian Sipe did.
Agree with you and USF, but I am bothered that today I saw for the first time, multiple mental errors from Brian. Not used to that...
The mental game is BH's lone edge over JM. That has been the "it" I have seen. If his mental game continues to wane, then change will come.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
But from what I'm seeing from BH is that stats don't really matter . . . it all comes down to the W or L.
This is in essence is the "IT" factor, and BH definitely has that - probably as much as Brian Sipe did.
Agree with you and USF, but I am bothered that today I saw for the first time, multiple mental errors from Brian. Not used to that...
The mental game is BH's lone edge over JM. That has been the "it" I have seen. If his mental game continues to wane, then change will come.
Agree with you and USF, but I am bothered that today I saw for the first time, multiple mental errors from Brian. Not used to that...
The mental game is BH's lone edge over JM. That has been the "it" I have seen. If his mental game continues to wane, then change will come.
I'll be 100% honest T, I've been growing more concerned with Brian as the last few weeks have gone by. Not Stockton level, but my patience is beginning to grow thin. At first I blamed it on all of the injuries, but now I wonder aloud if it's not more of a "Brian now has film" issue, where the defense has a game plan now to take advantage of his tendencies? Just thinking out loud here.
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But from what I'm seeing from BH is that stats don't really matter . . . it all comes down to the W or L.
This is in essence is the "IT" factor, and BH definitely has that - probably as much as Brian Sipe did.
Agree with you and USF, but I am bothered that today I saw for the first time, multiple mental errors from Brian. Not used to that...
The mental game is BH's lone edge over JM. That has been the "it" I have seen. If his mental game continues to wane, then change will come.
Agree with you and USF, but I am bothered that today I saw for the first time, multiple mental errors from Brian. Not used to that...
The mental game is BH's lone edge over JM. That has been the "it" I have seen. If his mental game continues to wane, then change will come.
That's why posted I the Hoyer to Gordon stats earlier (or another thread).
Not playing together since Pre-Season (when there were a bunch of other issues involved as well), there's no way Hoyer & Gordon are on the same page right now - 8 for 16 to Gordon as well as at least two INT's in his direction.
I really expected worse, since the other WR's were basically going to have to play different positions/routes with Gordon coming in at the #1 spot.
Seriously, the WR's have been playing 10 weeks at pretty much different positions and now they all have to shuffle to accommodate Gordon - I'm surprised they did as well as they did.
And with Hoyer having a legit #1 huge target in Gordon, yeah, it's no surprise he wanted to get the ball to him . . . hell, even at 50% completion to Gordon he had 120yds.
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Agree with you and USF, but I am bothered that today I saw for the first time, multiple mental errors from Brian. Not used to that...
The mental game is BH's lone edge over JM. That has been the "it" I have seen. If his mental game continues to wane, then change will come.
I'll be 100% honest T, I've been growing more concerned with Brian as the last few weeks have gone by. Not Stockton level, but my patience is beginning to grow thin. At first I blamed it on all of the injuries, but now I wonder aloud if it's not more of a "Brian now has film" issue, where the defense has a game plan now to take advantage of his tendencies? Just thinking out loud here.
I'll be 100% honest T, I've been growing more concerned with Brian as the last few weeks have gone by. Not Stockton level, but my patience is beginning to grow thin. At first I blamed it on all of the injuries, but now I wonder aloud if it's not more of a "Brian now has film" issue, where the defense has a game plan now to take advantage of his tendencies? Just thinking out loud here.
Concerning yes, but you still have to account for the loss of Mack, which we've seen via the run game is a huge impact.
McDonald is still getting up to speed, and it's only been three or four weeks for him to be in the Live mix of things.
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john telich @JohnTelich8 12m12 minutes ago With a 7-4 start, Mike Pettine has the fourth-best start by a #Browns coach in his first 11 NFL games. Paul Brown opened 9-2 in 1950
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I'll be 100% honest T, I've been growing more concerned with Brian as the last few weeks have gone by. Not Stockton level, but my patience is beginning to grow thin. At first I blamed it on all of the injuries, but now I wonder aloud if it's not more of a "Brian now has film" issue, where the defense has a game plan now to take advantage of his tendencies? Just thinking out loud here.
Concerning yes, but you still have to account for the loss of Mack, which we've seen via the run game is a huge impact.
McDonald is still getting up to speed, and it's only been three or four weeks for him to be in the Live mix of things.
Concerning yes, but you still have to account for the loss of Mack, which we've seen via the run game is a huge impact.
McDonald is still getting up to speed, and it's only been three or four weeks for him to be in the Live mix of things.
Yea J, I get that, but I'm concerned most about his accuracy on plays with little to no pressure and an open receiver. Add in today's brain farts (especially the pic in the endzone, that was death penalty bad) and that's my concerns. I admire the guy, and am rooting for him, but he simply has to play much better for us to win the division.
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Agree with you and USF, but I am bothered that today I saw for the first time, multiple mental errors from Brian. Not used to that...
The mental game is BH's lone edge over JM. That has been the "it" I have seen. If his mental game continues to wane, then change will come.
That's why posted I the Hoyer to Gordon stats earlier (or another thread).
Not playing together since Pre-Season (when there were a bunch of other issues involved as well), there's no way Hoyer & Gordon are on the same page right now - 8 for 16 to Gordon as well as at least two INT's in his direction.
I really expected worse, since the other WR's were basically going to have to play different positions/routes with Gordon coming in at the #1 spot.
Seriously, the WR's have been playing 10 weeks at pretty much different positions and now they all have to shuffle to accommodate Gordon - I'm surprised they did as well as they did.
And with Hoyer having a legit #1 huge target in Gordon, yeah, it's no surprise he wanted to get the ball to him . . . hell, even at 50% completion to Gordon he had 120yds.
That's why posted I the Hoyer to Gordon stats earlier (or another thread).
Ditto... I can't keep track either... but I saw your stat package. Corroborated an earlier post I made about timing with WR's other than Gordo.
Mental error #1 I posted about earlier as well (somewhere) was about BH not having the discipline to stay away from Josh running deep options and when plays broke down.
Mike Pettine has the fourth-best start by Browns coach in his first 11 NFL games. Paul Brown opened 9-2 in 1950
Watch out for Gipper's toes...
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Concerning yes, but you still have to account for the loss of Mack, which we've seen via the run game is a huge impact.
McDonald is still getting up to speed, and it's only been three or four weeks for him to be in the Live mix of things.
Yea J, I get that, but I'm concerned most about his accuracy on plays with little to no pressure and an open receiver. Add in today's brain farts (especially the pic in the endzone, that was death penalty bad) and that's my concerns. I admire the guy, and am rooting for him, but he simply has to play much better for us to win the division.
Yea J, I get that, but I'm concerned most about his accuracy on plays with little to no pressure and an open receiver. Add in today's brain farts (especially the pic in the endzone, that was death penalty bad) and that's my concerns. I admire the guy, and am rooting for him, but he simply has to play much better for us to win the division.
As far as the pressure goes, I think he may still be adjusting to McDonald at C versus Mack . . . he has been getting hammered up the middle the last few games.
End Zone INT was bad, but as I observed in another thread Gordon wasn't looking and may have been off route, plus add in the rust factor between the two (hence two INT's Gordons way) and it becomes a lot more iffy.
Going to add this here :
Cleveland Browns Must Be Taken Seriously After Week 12 Win
They always say that once you hit rock bottom, you can only go up from there. That pretty much sums up exactly what has been happening to the Cleveland Browns so far this season. Could you believe the Browns are now 7-4 so far this season and are actually looking like contenders? It’s not hard to believe when you’ve seen how this team has evolved these past few weeks by playing tough and never giving up.
It’s no secret that better teams always find a way to win, even when their top performers don’t show up to dominate. It could be an unlikely athlete like a third-string quarterback, a wide receiver that nobody has ever heard of, or even a kicker that nails a game-winning field goal.
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.
.
Needless to say, the Browns have been through decades of pain and suffering. It’s refreshing to see that the team can come together and find ways to win to the point that they can actually have a fighting chance to take down even the better opponents coming their way.
Overall, these Browns are serious and are adding more legions of fans to their dedicated fan base. These Browns are on a mission and playing with purpose. It’s about time that they started to execute and play like contenders because quite honestly, it’s been a long time coming.
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/11/23/cleveland-browns-must-be-taken-seriously-after-week-12-win/
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Yea J, I get that, but I'm concerned most about his accuracy on plays with little to no pressure and an open receiver. Add in today's brain farts (especially the pic in the endzone, that was death penalty bad) and that's my concerns. I admire the guy, and am rooting for him, but he simply has to play much better for us to win the division.
As far as the pressure goes, I think he may still be adjusting to McDonald at C versus Mack . . . he has been getting hammered up the middle the last few games.
End Zone INT was bad, but as I observed in another thread Gordon wasn't looking and may have been off route, plus add in the rust factor between the two (hence two INT's Gordons way) and it becomes a lot more iffy.
Going to add this here :
Cleveland Browns Must Be Taken Seriously After Week 12 Win
They always say that once you hit rock bottom, you can only go up from there. That pretty much sums up exactly what has been happening to the Cleveland Browns so far this season. Could you believe the Browns are now 7-4 so far this season and are actually looking like contenders? It’s not hard to believe when you’ve seen how this team has evolved these past few weeks by playing tough and never giving up.
It’s no secret that better teams always find a way to win, even when their top performers don’t show up to dominate. It could be an unlikely athlete like a third-string quarterback, a wide receiver that nobody has ever heard of, or even a kicker that nails a game-winning field goal.
.
.
.
Needless to say, the Browns have been through decades of pain and suffering. It’s refreshing to see that the team can come together and find ways to win to the point that they can actually have a fighting chance to take down even the better opponents coming their way.
Overall, these Browns are serious and are adding more legions of fans to their dedicated fan base. These Browns are on a mission and playing with purpose. It’s about time that they started to execute and play like contenders because quite honestly, it’s been a long time coming.
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/11/23/cleveland-browns-must-be-taken-seriously-after-week-12-win/
End Zone INT was bad, but as I observed in another thread Gordon wasn't looking and may have been off route, plus add in the rust factor between the two (hence two INT's Gordons way) and it becomes a lot more iffy.
I'll go one further, I blame Shanahan for not calling a run there. As I recall, it was 1st down and Crow just came into the game from getting a blow on the sideline. West had several good runs, the defense was tired and Crow was fresh....... R U N T H E B A L L !!
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