Jonathan Paul Manziel
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"" Ahhhh......THATS IT!!!
JFF will be great BECAUSE Colin Cowhead said something to motivate him.....""
Not what I said, genius. I said, this is another good sign. . You guys are so quick to bring up the history of the draft
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"" Ahhhh......THATS IT!!!
JFF will be great BECAUSE Colin Cowhead said something to motivate him.....""
Not what I said, genius. I said, this is another good sign. . You guys are so quick to bring up the history of the draft
Not what I said, genius..... You guys are so quick to bring up the history of the draft
Yes it is.
And, yeah, thats why they say..."Those that do not learn from history are bound to repeat it"
And those, that have a list of Johnny's college accomplishments, are bound to repeat it.....and repeat it......and repeat it.....
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"" Ahhhh......THATS IT!!!
JFF will be great BECAUSE Colin Cowhead said something to motivate him.....""
Not what I said, genius. I said, this is another good sign. . You guys are so quick to bring up the history of the draft, history of Browns qb's, but you are so quick to dismiss the history of Manziel. Everything his detractors are saying now has been said before about him. He sat the bench for a year at A&M before starting. He had off-field issues there. He was a smaller qb in the "mighty" SEC.
He dealt with all that negativity a certain way. Don't be surprised if history repeats itself. I won't.
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Just sounds like more long winded, anti JFF rhetoric to me.
Just sounds like more long winded, anti JFF rhetoric to me.
No, if you know me you know I do a lot of this sort of thing. They are just interesting tidbits.
I guess I could have shortened it a bit and instead of doing all NFL first round QB picks I could have just done the history of Browns first round QB picks.....and what would that result be? Pretty bad:
Phipps
Kosar
Couch
Quinn
Weeden
Success rate then would only be about 20%.
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Gipper, I thought you were a lawyer? This is the worst kind of pseudo-logic.
Its not logic.....it is mathematics....or probablilities, that's all.
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Here's another good sign for Johnny. Colin Cowherd says he will never last in the nfl. This is easily the 5th time cowherd has done this and he's been wrong every previous time. Most famously, he said Bama would knock him out of last year's game and win by 30+. They won 49-42 and manziel put 562 yards on them.
Johnny hears this. It motivates him. When he jits the field, he will desperately want to prove he can play.
Here's another good sign for Johnny. Colin Cowherd says he will never last in the nfl. This is easily the 5th time cowherd has done this and he's been wrong every previous time. Most famously, he said Bama would knock him out of last year's game and win by 30+. They won 49-42 and manziel put 562 yards on them.
Johnny hears this. It motivates him. When he hits the field, he will desperately want to prove he can play.
Any human being who gets in a NFL game wants to prove he can play, and play well, not just JFF.Secondly, Cow-turd is a pompous blowhard. A Jim Rome wannabe without the intelligence to pull it off. I put zero credibility in anything he says.
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Here's another good sign for Johnny. Colin Cowherd says he will never last in the nfl. This is easily the 5th time cowherd has done this and he's been wrong every previous time. Most famously, he said Bama would knock him out of last year's game and win by 30+. They won 49-42 and manziel put 562 yards on them.
Johnny hears this. It motivates him. When he jits the field, he will desperately want to prove he can play.
Here's another good sign for Johnny. Colin Cowherd says he will never last in the nfl. This is easily the 5th time cowherd has done this and he's been wrong every previous time. Most famously, he said Bama would knock him out of last year's game and win by 30+. They won 49-42 and manziel put 562 yards on them.
Johnny hears this. It motivates him. When he jits the field, he will desperately want to prove he can play.
Lets hope you are right. So you are saying that Cowherd success at his predictions have far worse odds than first round QB picks.
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Mudfly, I made a list of reasons I think Manziel will succeed. You didn't reply. Then I mention one thing about Cowherd and you respond as if that's all I've said. That's not productive. Itakes you look like a troll.
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Its not logic.....it is mathematics....or probablilities, that's all.
Which mean shit all on an individual basis.
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Whatever man....you keep saying "you guys", as if Im beating down on Johnny. ....stop with the man love already...
Haha...Im no troll....but I could say the same about you, considering you've made the same post/list 10, 000 times....
Listen, my stance all along has been "let's wait and see"....
Most of us(me, at least) only post in these threads because YOU refuse to "wait and see" and, instead, go on and on and on and on about JFF, his college game and how great he is....blah blah blah.....(are you related to Stockton??)
Cant you see that???....I dont hate JFF. I hate all the NON STOP Johnny man love posts....
Figure it out....
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So Gipper, your point is that some QBs have been taken in the first round, some of whom have been busts, some not, and JFF might fall in to either category? Because tautologies are tautologies...
So Gipper, your point is that some QBs have been taken in the first round, some of whom have been busts, some not, and JFF might fall in to either category? Because tautologies are tautologies...
Yes, that's it. I am saying that he will be good...or he will be a bust. Unlike his chances I am more likely to be right.
(though....he could fall into that category of being "just OK". or just above or below average.
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So Gipper, your point is that some QBs have been taken in the first round, some of whom have been busts, some not, and JFF might fall in to either category? Because tautologies are tautologies...
Yes, that's it. I am saying that he will be good...or he will be a bust. Unlike his chances I am more likely to be right.
(though....he could fall into that category of being "just OK". or just above or below average.
Yes, that's it. I am saying that he will be good...or he will be a bust. Unlike his chances I am more likely to be right.
(though....he could fall into that category of being "just OK". or just above or below average.
So, you have no point? I mean, do you really think anybody here needed you to point all that out for them? Did anybody think all first round QBs go on to be hall of famers? Because if so I suspect they have bigger issues.
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Its not logic.....it is mathematics....or probablilities, that's all.
Which mean shit all on an individual basis.
Which mean shit all on an individual basis.
I thought the term was "fuck all".......but yes, this was not intended to apply specifically to JFF....or to predict his future. It was simply meant to point out that historically speaking, QBs in his similar situation have been good, bad, and indifferent.
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Gip, something like that... I know exactly what cowherd is, and it's ALWAYS a good sign when he trashes Johnny. You should have heard him after last year's bama game. "That Manziel guy is better than I thought. He has a stronger arm than I thought, etc."
Btw, the Aggies lost to bama 59-0 this year. I bet all those Aggie fans that were glad Johnny and his "issues" went to the nfl are now maybe wishing he'd stayed another year.
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Just sounds like more long winded, anti JFF rhetoric to me.
No, if you know me you know I do a lot of this sort of thing. They are just interesting tidbits.
I guess I could have shortened it a bit and instead of doing all NFL first round QB picks I could have just done the history of Browns first round QB picks.....and what would that result be? Pretty bad:
Phipps
Kosar
Couch
Quinn
Weeden
Success rate then would only be about 20%.
No, if you know me you know I do a lot of this sort of thing. They are just interesting tidbits.
I guess I could have shortened it a bit and instead of doing all NFL first round QB picks I could have just done the history of Browns first round QB picks.....and what would that result be? Pretty bad:
Phipps
Kosar
Couch
Quinn
Weeden
Success rate then would only be about 20%.
Given the success rate of 1st round QBs in general is higher than 20%, the logical conclusion is the Browns have historically been worse than most teams at drafting QBs.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand -
Mudfly, I've never said Johnny will ne a great pro. I've said I hope he becomes one, and I have a history of seeing him not fail against overwhelming odds.
My main point in my first post was that most first-round qb busts are big strong-armed guys who "look" like the right guy, but have huge overlooked flaws. Johnny in no way fits that description. He was taken so high because he is awesome at every other part of the game other than size. If he was 6' 4", he would be Andrew Luck who maybe parties too much.
And I'm not trying to be a broken record, I only talk Johnny on Johnny threads, and usually try to be a voice of reason, not a rah-rah guy.
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Yes, that's it. I am saying that he will be good...or he will be a bust. Unlike his chances I am more likely to be right.
(though....he could fall into that category of being "just OK". or just above or below average.
So, you have no point? I mean, do you really think anybody here needed you to point all that out for them? Did anybody think all first round QBs go on to be hall of famers? Because if so I suspect they have bigger issues.
So, you have no point? I mean, do you really think anybody here needed you to point all that out for them? Did anybody think all first round QBs go on to be hall of famers? Because if so I suspect they have bigger issues.
Yes, I do think people here needed it pointed out who and how many in the past of 1st rounders succeeded and busted. And whether they "need" to know or not, it is still interesting to know.
I also do think that there may be some out there that do think that by virtue of having drafted a QB in the first round that they are getting a HOF caliber QB. And this simply disavows them of that notion.
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why was this thread even started about a guy who hasn't taken a single regular season snap and is a rookie? stfu and lock this.
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No, if you know me you know I do a lot of this sort of thing. They are just interesting tidbits.
I guess I could have shortened it a bit and instead of doing all NFL first round QB picks I could have just done the history of Browns first round QB picks.....and what would that result be? Pretty bad:
Phipps
Kosar
Couch
Quinn
Weeden
Success rate then would only be about 20%.
Given the success rate of 1st round QBs in general is higher than 20%, the logical conclusion is the Browns have historically been worse than most teams at drafting QBs.
Given the success rate of 1st round QBs in general is higher than 20%, the logical conclusion is the Browns have historically been worse than most teams at drafting QBs.
Uhhh.....yea. It would be interesting to break it down by teams to see who have done well and who hasn't.
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