Jonathan Paul Manziel
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i don't think manziel makes this team better. i think hoyer is royally fucking up. i don't care who starts as long as that person give the browns the best chance to win.
it's a 2 edged sword now for manziel AND for the browns. if manziel starts and blows does that mean our QB search is still on? i love what hoyer did for us but if you can't mentally tough it out with the pressures going on around you then you can't be that guy that leads the team into battle. simple as that. and let's see how teams prep for manziel. i really doubt the bills did anything this week thinking manziel would come in.
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Faded said:
Your starter has thrown 5 straight picks in two games without a TD. Given, he won one of them, but it doesn't sound like a recipe for future success. Barring a fantastic turnaround, I can't see this team winning out or even taking 3 of 4.
The point is, you're not risking much by going to Manziel, and it sets things up for next year. If he's not the guy, best to find out sooner.
ok, not trying to be an ass here, but why did you show up? seriously? just asking. are you here because manziel was put in the game?
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Yes. Unfortunately playoffs are pretty much over for us now. Start the learning process for Johnny.
You all are the most hyperbolic fans I've ever seen. How are we out of contention? Everyone in our division besides Cinci lost. Until we are mathematically out, it isn't over.
You all are the most hyperbolic fans I've ever seen. How are we out of contention? Everyone in our division besides Cinci lost. Until we are mathematically out, it isn't over.
I'm not saying it's over for sure or anything but I can't see us beating Indy next week and I think we're in bad standing in terms of the tiebreaker.
Despite how my comments may look I'm not unhappy at all. We've lost a lot of key guys to injury this year, have a lot of guys who will get better in the years ahead and I personally trust our current front office to continue to make smart moves and improve our team (especially with two first round picks). We've done better than anyone thought we would and the future is bright for the Browns!
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You have to be medically fucked in the head to not want Manziel to start.
Hoyer fucking sucked today and I'm glad the coaches pulled him
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All right, I said in the tavern that I wouldn't respond here this week, but here goes.
I like Brian, and have been in his corner 100%, but I don't like the way Brian has regressed the last 5 weeks culminating in today's performance. If Pettine makes a change, it is not just because of how Brian played today, and even the most biased Brian supporter HAS to see and agree with this. He will make the change because of Brian's complete body of work, and how that body has been regressing.
There is never a perfect time to make a change at QB because of lack of production, but right now, it's about as good as it gets for Pettine. We are still in the playoff race with a 1/4 of the season left to be played. Johnny has had time to watch, listen and learn and is probably as ready now as he will be any time this year.
Hopefully Pettine will be smart and not give any type of definitive answer on who starts next week as to keep the Colts guessing and give Johnny any tiny advantage he can give him............ The press and we won't like it, but if he's smart, it's what he'll do.
Based on the last 5 weeks and if I'm the head coach, I start Johnny......... and that coming from a Brian supporter.
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i don't think manziel makes this team better. i think hoyer is royally fucking up. i don't care who starts as long as that person give the browns the best chance to win.
it's a 2 edged sword now for manziel AND for the browns. if manziel starts and blows does that mean our QB search is still on? i love what hoyer did for us but if you can't mentally tough it out with the pressures going on around you then you can't be that guy that leads the team into battle. simple as that. and let's see how teams prep for manziel. i really doubt the bills did anything this week thinking manziel would come in.
i don't think manziel makes this team better.
His ability to scramble and pocket presence alone makes us a better team.
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His ability to scramble and pocket presence alone makes us a better team.
Well as long as he doesn't fumble and throw into double coverage like he did today (and got away with it) we're good. I can't say after watching what he did today he makes us a better team, even with the TD drive. If he starts next week I'll be able to make a better judgement.
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Does Hoyer start against Indy?
I do not know.
I've said it before: Hoyer's only edge has been his ability to read the defense and execute the Offense. Based upon our success after audibles and some of his early play, it is clear he made good decisions as well.
Mechanically Hoyer looked bad in some recent games, but looked better last week against ATL. I think that mechanically he looked good again today.
However, his second INT in Gordo's direction was a sucker Defense and Hoyer fell for it. It was similar to the way Leonard suckered Orton for the endzone pick early. If he made other read errors, he has opened the door to the possibility of losing his job.
Assuming the door is open, then the question is: Is JM allowed to waltz through it?
Again, I do not know.
Physically JM showed nothing today that we did not know he had. He had a good, high energy drive against a softer defense than BUF put up most of the day.
But that drive also included what looked to be a good, audible as well. If the throw, and non-throw, reads Manziel made were on the money as well, then he has closed that gap as well.
Enough to offset the rookie we still saw in the fumble and moreover his reaction to it?
I do not know.
One thing I do know though... should be an interesting week around here and Berea...
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You have to be medically fucked in the head to not want Manziel to start.
Hoyer fucking sucked today and I'm glad the coaches pulled him
You have to be medically fucked in the head to not want Manziel to start.
Hoyer fucking sucked today and I'm glad the coaches pulled him
At least you are consistent at being inconsistent.
All right, I said in the tavern that I wouldn't respond here this week, but here goes.
You lied to us...
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It's simple...
MANZIEL OPENS UP THE OFFENSE, Brian Hoyer doesn't not. Period, end of story.
No linebackers have to worry about spying on Brian Hoyer, dude has no legs at all.
Manziel scoring that TD was proof this offense can be explosive. I drive, 80 yards.
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Tito1 said:
Manziel is the only person worth a damn in Cleveland
Gordon is a pothead and the rest have no athletic ability
Great evaluation
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His ability to scramble and pocket presence alone makes us a better team.
c'mon. he might scamble and get hurt. how does that make us better? anyone can scramble. pocket presence? ok. we saw what 2 mins of the guy? don't start your shit. you know how badly it can end for you. like every other 'stance' you've made this year.
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ManzielSucks said:
With the Bills D-Line starters in he gets sacked and fumbles into the endzone...
It was ruled an incomplete pass you dumb fuck. He got right back up and fired a strike to Austin.
Quit being mad Johnny fucked your old lady loser.
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Faded said:
Manziel is the reason this could be a more interesting year as a Cleveland Browns fan than has typically been the case lately. He may or may not make it, but how long do you go with what you saw today before you give him his shot. I never believed the Browns had enough offense this year to make the playoffs, even though they were winning. Yards get tougher at the end of the year.
For all his high school heroics, nobody really knew what they had at A&M in Manziel until he played. He's a gamer. Could be fun to watch.
you still didn't answer my question. why did you join the browns forum today?
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ManzielSucks said:
That is an overreaction since when the Bills starters were in JF fumbled into the endzone.
The fumble was caused by a miscommunication with the snap, which is to be expected with a rookie coming in on the road for his first significant action.
And by the way the end result was an incomplete pass. Hoyer would have lost 10 yards by taking the sack.
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His ability to scramble and pocket presence alone makes us a better team.
c'mon. he might scamble and get hurt. how does that make us better? anyone can scramble. pocket presence? ok. we saw what 2 mins of the guy? don't start your shit. you know how badly it can end for you. like every other 'stance' you've made this year.
c'mon. he might scamble and get hurt. how does that make us better? anyone can scramble. pocket presence? ok. we saw what 2 mins of the guy? don't start your shit. you know how badly it can end for you. like every other 'stance' you've made this year.
1. He might scramble and get hurt? I might win the fucking lottery.
2. Anyone can scramble? No, see Brian Hoyer.
3. Hoyer's time is over, period. Accept it with a little dignity.
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ManzielSucks said:
With the Bills D-Line starters in he gets sacked and fumbles into the endzone...
It was ruled an incomplete pass you dumb fuck. He got right back up and fired a strike to Austin.
Quit being mad Johnny fucked your old lady loser.
It was ruled an incomplete pass you dumb fuck. He got right back up and fired a strike to Austin.
Quit being mad Johnny fucked your old lady loser.
you are fucking hilarious. let's see how you spin it after he starts and loses. lol.
i say draft mariota. HA!
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His ability to scramble and pocket presence alone makes us a better team.
c'mon. he might scamble and get hurt. how does that make us better? anyone can scramble. pocket presence? ok. we saw what 2 mins of the guy? don't start your shit. you know how badly it can end for you. like every other 'stance' you've made this year.
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