Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Yes, Manziel must start. It's been too long since Hoyer has passed for a touchdown. Johnny is versatile to say the least and a winner. Look at the bright side, The Colts won't know what to expect next week. maybe Shanahan will have a nice package for Johnny. Also, the Colts defense is nothing to write home about.
I think we might surprise everybody including ourselves next week.
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Not only does he start the game. He's gonna start our march to the SUPER BOWL BABY!!!
Calm down, one nice series does not a Super Bowl run make.
Sometime? I hope so.If he starts, and goes 0-4 the Browns finish 7-9. Better then most people here thought. And we will see what he is
We know what Hoyer is
7-9 is about what most thought. A few pundits had them at 4-12 or worse. I was hoping 8-8, and by all rights we should beat the Panthers. The F**king Bengals had to pull (what I thought) a shady maneuver to get the Bucs called for too many men on the field- after the play was run. Tampa would have won the game otherwise. Crap, Steelers and Ravens lost. It ain't over until it's over.
Calm down, one nice series does not a Super Bowl run make.
Sometime? I hope so.7-9 is about what most thought. A few pundits had them at 4-12 or worse. I was hoping 8-8, and by all rights we should beat the Panthers. The F**king Bengals had to pull (what I thought) a shady maneuver to get the Bucs called for too many men on the field- after the play was run. Tampa would have won the game otherwise. Crap, Steelers and Ravens lost. It ain't over until it's over.
I watched that game today. The Bucs were all over the Bengals. They stopped Hill and Bernard and Intercepted Howdy Doody on the first play of the game. Then at the end Marvin Lewis threw a red flag with 26 seconds left. That's supposed to be illegal but they let him get away with it. So put 2 and 2 together you get The Fix Was In.
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"I like him, man," corner Joe Haden said, in an emptied out locker room. "I like him a lot. He has a really good work ethic. He's a good kid to be around in the locker room, he's positive, and he knows his role, and he's known his role on the team. He wasn't trying to be all out there. He's just learning."
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"I like him, man," corner Joe Haden said, in an emptied out locker room. "I like him a lot. He has a really good work ethic. He's a good kid to be around in the locker room, he's positive, and he knows his role, and he's known his role on the team. He wasn't trying to be all out there. He's just learning."
"I like him, man," corner Joe Haden said, in an emptied out locker room. "I like him a lot. He has a really good work ethic. He's a good kid to be around in the locker room, he's positive, and he knows his role, and he's known his role on the team. He wasn't trying to be all out there. He's just learning."
so aggie what did you gleen from that quote?
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"I like him, man," corner Joe Haden said, in an emptied out locker room. "I like him a lot. He has a really good work ethic. He's a good kid to be around in the locker room, he's positive, and he knows his role, and he's known his role on the team. He wasn't trying to be all out there. He's just learning."
"I like him, man," corner Joe Haden said, in an emptied out locker room. "I like him a lot. He has a really good work ethic. He's a good kid to be around in the locker room, he's positive, and he knows his role, and he's known his role on the team. He wasn't trying to be all out there. He's just learning."
Joe Thomas "I'm behind whoever will win us games".
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Hoorta, I'll tell you what I glean from haden's statement. First, you have no clue what you're talking about when you spout stupid shit like the following:
" True- I didn't want Manziel- because he'd be a distraction, among other things. Guess what? He's a distraction. FYI- there's a shit ton of people that don't like Manziel for the same reason I don't particularly care for him- as a person. Not the kind of guy I'd want to hang out with. There's a difference between liking a football player, and liking the person. Isn't about my personal opinion anymore- I can't kick Manziel off the team- and I have to hope he does well.
This had zero, zilch, nada to do with the fake JFF ID. I could care less about it. I do care about his conduct after he got drafted by the Browns however. F**cking liar. I'm all into football. sure. However, I (and some others) still think he's still got some growing up to do. Maybe he'd actually be starting if he had been in Berea working out instead of hanging out with Bieb-er."
I choose to believe Haden and Pettine, who actually spend time with Johnny. They seem to like him AND think he's pretty good.
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Hoorta, I'll tell you what I glean from haden's statement. First, you have no clue what you're talking about when you spout stupid shit like the following:
" True- I didn't want Manziel- because he'd be a distraction, among other things. Guess what? He's a distraction. FYI- there's a shit ton of people that don't like Manziel for the same reason I don't particularly care for him- as a person. Not the kind of guy I'd want to hang out with. There's a difference between liking a football player, and liking the person. Isn't about my personal opinion anymore- I can't kick Manziel off the team- and I have to hope he does well.
This had zero, zilch, nada to do with the fake JFF ID. I could care less about it. I do care about his conduct after he got drafted by the Browns however. F**cking liar. I'm all into football. sure. However, I (and some others) still think he's still got some growing up to do. Maybe he'd actually be starting if he had been in Berea working out instead of hanging out with Bieb-er."
I choose to believe Haden and Pettine, who actually spend time with Johnny. They seem to like him AND think he's pretty good.
Hoorta, I'll tell you what I glean from haden's statement. First, you have no clue what you're talking about when you spout stupid shit like the following:
" True- I didn't want Manziel- because he'd be a distraction, among other things. Guess what? He's a distraction. FYI- there's a shit ton of people that don't like Manziel for the same reason I don't particularly care for him- as a person. Not the kind of guy I'd want to hang out with. There's a difference between liking a football player, and liking the person. Isn't about my personal opinion anymore- I can't kick Manziel off the team- and I have to hope he does well.
This had zero, zilch, nada to do with the fake JFF ID. I could care less about it. I do care about his conduct after he got drafted by the Browns however. F**cking liar. I'm all into football. sure. However, I (and some others) still think he's still got some growing up to do. Maybe he'd actually be starting if he had been in Berea working out instead of hanging out with Bieb-er."
I choose to believe Haden and Pettine, who actually spend time with Johnny. They seem to like him AND think he's pretty good.
Great- I'll own it- I'm just a dumbass. Like I just posted, Joe Thomas is apparently behind Johnny too. Has nothing to do if Manziel is a good football player or not. If you condone his off field antics, fine- I don't have to. It's a f**king free country. Ray Lewis is going to be in the HOF- that doesn't mean I have to like him. Michael Vick will have a better career than Brian Hoyer- that doesn't mean I have to like him either. Josh Gordon is an immensely talented football player who happens to play for the Browns and isn't too smart about who he hangs out with, or what chemicals he chooses to ingest. He also set a couple of NFL records, haven't seen JFF do that yet. So tolerance for off field indiscretions is directly proportional to on field performance. I haven't forgotten Ravens fans showing up at games wearing Ray Rice jerseys this year. You bozos are apparently having comprehension problems with the difference between respect as a football player, and respect as a person. They're not mutually inclusive FYI.
Just wait though- the fickle fans of Cleveland will be more than happy to ride Manziel out of town on a rail should he play poorly- as fast as the Manzealots did to Hoyer. So if Johnny follows the career path of Joe Namath or Ken Stabler- it's going to be all well and good in Cleveland. Anything short of that- he's never going to win over a section of the fanbase. Take it to the bank.
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Hoorta, I'll tell you what I glean from haden's statement. First, you have no clue what you're talking about when you spout stupid shit like the following:
" True- I didn't want Manziel- because he'd be a distraction, among other things. Guess what? He's a distraction. FYI- there's a shit ton of people that don't like Manziel for the same reason I don't particularly care for him- as a person. Not the kind of guy I'd want to hang out with. There's a difference between liking a football player, and liking the person. Isn't about my personal opinion anymore- I can't kick Manziel off the team- and I have to hope he does well.
This had zero, zilch, nada to do with the fake JFF ID. I could care less about it. I do care about his conduct after he got drafted by the Browns however. F**cking liar. I'm all into football. sure. However, I (and some others) still think he's still got some growing up to do. Maybe he'd actually be starting if he had been in Berea working out instead of hanging out with Bieb-er."
I choose to believe Haden and Pettine, who actually spend time with Johnny. They seem to like him AND think he's pretty good.
Great- I'll own it- I'm just a dumbass. Like I just posted, Joe Thomas is apparently behind Johnny too. Has nothing to do if Manziel is a good football player or not. If you condone his off field antics, fine- I don't have to. It's a f**king free country. Ray Lewis is going to be in the HOF- that doesn't mean I have to like him. Michael Vick will have a better career than Brian Hoyer- that doesn't mean I have to like him either. Josh Gordon is an immensely talented football player who happens to play for the Browns and isn't too smart about who he hangs out with, or what chemicals he chooses to ingest. He also set a couple of NFL records, haven't seen JFF do that yet. So tolerance for off field indiscretions is directly proportional to on field performance. I haven't forgotten Ravens fans showing up at games wearing Ray Rice jerseys this year. You bozos are apparently having comprehension problems with the difference between respect as a football player, and respect as a person. They're not mutually inclusive FYI.
Just wait though- the fickle fans of Cleveland will be more than happy to ride Manziel out of town on a rail should he play poorly- as fast as the Manzealots did to Hoyer. So if Johnny follows the career path of Joe Namath or Ken Stabler- it's going to be all well and good in Cleveland. Anything short of that- he's never going to win over a section of the fanbase. Take it to the bank.
Great- I'll own it- I'm just a dumbass. Like I just posted, Joe Thomas is apparently behind Johnny too. Has nothing to do if Manziel is a good football player or not. If you condone his off field antics, fine- I don't have to. It's a f**king free country. Ray Lewis is going to be in the HOF- that doesn't mean I have to like him. Michael Vick will have a better career than Brian Hoyer- that doesn't mean I have to like him either. Josh Gordon is an immensely talented football player who happens to play for the Browns and isn't too smart about who he hangs out with, or what chemicals he chooses to ingest. He also set a couple of NFL records, haven't seen JFF do that yet. So tolerance for off field indiscretions is directly proportional to on field performance. I haven't forgotten Ravens fans showing up at games wearing Ray Rice jerseys this year. You bozos are apparently having comprehension problems with the difference between respect as a football player, and respect as a person. They're not mutually inclusive FYI.
Just wait though- the fickle fans of Cleveland will be more than happy to ride Manziel out of town on a rail should he play poorly- as fast as the Manzealots did to Hoyer. So if Johnny follows the career path of Joe Namath or Ken Stabler- it's going to be all well and good in Cleveland. Anything short of that- he's never going to win over a section of the fanbase. Take it to the bank.
I know a secret.. well not really a secret..
But on both boards Ive done a bit of research. I found something.
There is 1 consistent thing that seems to irk fans that hate Johnny more than anything. Something Johnny cannot control.
I have a STRONG belief.. that a Majority of people hate Manziel not because of his off field antics..
Not because of his scrambling ability (because those same people are on Mariotas nutsack)..
Not because of the money sign...
Not because of the rambunctious style in which he plays..
But it is SURPRISINGLY due to one small thing..
His size.
Most of the Johnny haters cannot STAND the fact that his is 5'11 and 2 quarters. They dont think it should be possible. They want a big burly man... because surely that the only type of QB that can lead us to the promised land.
Dont believe me? Do a little research yourself.. there is nothing that irks Johnny haters more than his height
Why? I dont know why it irks them.. when we bring up Wilson and Brees they act like our points were/are never posted.. or they treat them as paradoxes.. unable to be replicated.
Ive even gotten a few of them to admit it...
some of them have even said "If Johnny were 4 inches taller I could see it"
Its really interesting.. its like some sort of reverse over-compensation.
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wrong. most people that don't like manziel, don't like him for what he brings to the table besides his athletic skills. it's the media circus, the flinging his nose at authority and the feeble minded idiots he has in legions of fans.
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wrong. most people that don't like manziel, don't like him for what he brings to the table besides his athletic skills. it's the media circus, the flinging his nose at authority and the feeble minded idiots he has in legions of fans.
wrong. most people that don't like manziel, don't like him for what he brings to the table besides his athletic skills. it's the media circus, the flinging his nose at authority and the feeble minded idiots he has in legions of fans.
So basically they hate America.
Let's be a little more honest here.
They hate Manziel for very personal reasons. Maybe they're racist, and they don't like a white QB acting black. Maybe the rich QB they knew in HS smashed their crush.
Whatever it is, it is personal with these types.
How else do you explain someone actually citing a fake id possession charge? ooooo, got him there!
they're irrational and feelings based like Manziel wore the dress they wanted to wear.
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wrong. most people that don't like manziel, don't like him for what he brings to the table besides his athletic skills. it's the media circus, the flinging his nose at authority and the feeble minded idiots he has in legions of fans.
So basically they hate America.
Let's be a little more honest here.
They hate Manziel for very personal reasons. Maybe they're racist, and they don't like a white QB acting black. Maybe the rich QB they knew in HS smashed their crush.
Whatever it is, it is personal with these types.
How else do you explain someone actually citing a fake id possession charge? ooooo, got him there!
they're irrational and feelings based like Manziel wore the dress they wanted to wear.
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Hoyer is done in Cleveland now, we have to see what we have with Johnny.
I'm looking forward to see what he brings, exciting times.
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whats so bad about what johnny does off the field. certainly no worse than what josh gordan has done, and u guys are all over his nutsacks.
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We are Johnny Football. Embrace it.
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whats so bad about what johnny does off the field. certainly no worse than what josh gordan has done, and u guys are all over his nutsacks.
whats so bad about what johnny does off the field. certainly no worse than what josh gordan has done, and u guys are all over his nutsacks.
Good point. From what I can see JM has been nothing but a good teammate so far.
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I have no idea what the Las Vegas odds are and wouldn't bet my life but...
If I was a betting man I would put my money on Brian Hoyer starting next week.
(I'm not putting a value judgement on that prediction just guessing that's the kind of decision Mike Pettine will make)
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I've been a Hoyer supporter since last season when he came in for Weeden and we looked like a different team. I wanted him to succeed, and justified his bad play with "well, every qb has a bad game". Now that it has become a pattern, I have no problem with Manziel at qb. In fact, I called it. I texted my nephew at 3:30 yesterday, when Hoyer threw his 2nd interception....that it might be Johnny Football time. I'm not thrilled about Hoyer not transforming into a quality qb, and I'm just as hopeful that JF will become the guy. This teams needs a stable, consistent qb....but we also need a lot more. Our special teams, offensive line, and run defense all suck. Period. It's a miracle to be sitting at 7 and 5 at this point. A little off the subject... whoever referred to Andy Dalton as Howdy Doody....I thought that name was reserved for Weeden. Check out Scott Farkas....the bully in "A Christmas Story". That's definitely Dalton.
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I have no idea what the Las Vegas odds are and wouldn't bet my life but...
If I was a betting man I would put my money on Brian Hoyer starting next week.
(I'm not putting a value judgement on that prediction just guessing that's the kind of decision Mike Pettine will make)
WSS
I'd bet my life earnings, my house (my parents houseI have no idea what the Las Vegas odds are and wouldn't bet my life but...
If I was a betting man I would put my money on Brian Hoyer starting next week.
(I'm not putting a value judgement on that prediction just guessing that's the kind of decision Mike Pettine will make)
WSS
), my family, and everything I own that manziel starts next week
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My dad is like some of you guys here, he all but said he wants to see Manziel fail to prove he was right about not drafting him. REALLY? The Browns are in a playoff race for the first time in a long time and people want to see a dude fail? Good grief.
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My dad is like some of you guys here, he all but said he wants to see Manziel fail to prove he was right about not drafting him. REALLY? The Browns are in a playoff race for the first time in a long time and people want to see a dude fail? Good grief.
My dad is like some of you guys here, he all but said he wants to see Manziel fail to prove he was right about not drafting him. REALLY? The Browns are in a playoff race for the first time in a long time and people want to see a dude fail? Good grief.
Pride > everything if you're a real man. I'm proud of your dad on his pride and on his opinion of manziel. He's got my approval
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