What to do at ILB
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I was listening to Kenny Roda around 6:30 and he did have a good point- Rey Maualuga is projected to go in the high teens but he best fits our the scheme then draft him at #5. Who the hell cares what draft analyst and so called "draft experts" say. Aaron Curry will not be there at #5. Bart Scott will stay a Raven cause Ray wants to wear a star on his helmet and you can't count on late round prospects to play every down.
I was listening to Kenny Roda around 6:30 and he did have a good point- Rey Maualuga is projected to go in the high teens but he best fits our the scheme then draft him at #5. Who the hell cares what draft analyst and so called "draft experts" say. Aaron Curry will not be there at #5. Bart Scott will stay a Raven cause Ray wants to wear a star on his helmet and you can't count on late round prospects to play every down.
Personally, I try to solve the problem in FA but, if the coaches analyze the film and bring him in (Maualuga) and work him out and think that he could be their guy, then I don't have a problem taking him at #5. I remember a few years ago when everybody was saying Merriman was a middle round guy and would be a reach for us. If you think you found your guy that is the best fit for you, then take him and screw the draft gurus.
I think at least they need to get someone like Barton who could work into a rotation at ILB because Williams can't cut it. Nothing wrong with taking a veteran like Barton and bring in someone like Maualuga or Brinkley and have them in a rotation with Jackson. Maybe Bell will even step up this year and be a usable option.
Hey, injuries happen and a 10 year vet may be better off rotating and taking a few series off.
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I like trading down and taking Rey, too. And if we can't get out take the BPA, which is, in my mind:
- Crabtree
- Orapko
- Raji
I'd let the news slip that we're really interested in Raji to see if we can't get Green Bay to bite.
I like trading down and taking Rey, too. And if we can't get out take the BPA, which is, in my mind:
- Crabtree
- Orapko
- Raji
I'd let the news slip that we're really interested in Raji to see if we can't get Green Bay to bite.
Just watched some more of of Raji. Damn, he's good. His spin move is just as smooth as Everette Brown's, who's about the same height...and eighty pounds lighter.
And for the proponents of the "SILB is a dirty work job" theory (Shep and JJ, I'm talking to you!), BC's Robert Francois is exactly what you're looking for. Not the most athletic guy in the world, but very good at shedding blocks and not overrunning plays. He has that fullback build, yet is surprisingly effective in coverage.
Wouldn't mind seeing us bring him in on Day 2.
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Raji is big. But scouts say he has the agility and mobility to play either end position in the 3-4. What did he run the 40 in? 5.11 or something like that?
As big as he is? The only dlineman getting to the qb is... Rodgers anyway. I thought the 3-4 front three were to occupy the oline, and let the lb's
dominate.
Raji is big. But scouts say he has the agility and mobility to play either end position in the 3-4. What did he run the 40 in? 5.11 or something like that?
As big as he is? The only dlineman getting to the qb is... Rodgers anyway. I thought the 3-4 front three were to occupy the oline, and let the lb's
dominate.
Basically, you are right our type of 3-4 system is a read and react for the linemen. They are to engage and hold the point of attack, then get some push if it is a pass play. The LBs are the play makers and that's exactly why our defense has sucked under RAC. We never had LBs making plays, consistantly.
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i like jasper brinkley. big hitter, decent in coverage and timed better than i ever expected he would. to me, he's the prototype SILB. he's not an every down player like cushing or curry, but he'd fit the role well and we should be able to get him in the round 3 to 4 range if his combine performance doesn't raise his stock too high.
i like jasper brinkley. big hitter, decent in coverage and timed better than i ever expected he would. to me, he's the prototype SILB. he's not an every down player like cushing or curry, but he'd fit the role well and we should be able to get him in the round 3 to 4 range if his combine performance doesn't raise his stock too high.
Brinkley has been on my radar for quite a while...and his numbers are showing that he is over his injury. He was originally slated as a 6th round pick...so even with his decent showing at the combine he may not have moved all the way to the 3rd...but even if he has...it makes a lot more sense to make a trade to move from 4th to 3rd round than it does to REACH at #5 for a Rey Maualuga.
I think, if Curry is gone...I would actually lean towards either Orakpo or Jenkins. I want to see Jenkins results here....but think about this.
Jenkins is being thought of as BOTH a S and a CB. He would be the kind of player that gives us flexibility. He isn't my FAVORITE there...but he really is starting to grow on me as an OPTION if we can't move down.
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@shepwrite said:
I'm liking Jasper Brinkley in round three with the pick we get for Anderson. He's much faster than Beau Bell and a banger who doesn't mind putting his nose in it. A lot depends on what we pull off in free agency, but it makes sense to me.Would you still look at Barton in FA for depth at the position if you can get Brinkley? I would hope that Bell could work into the rotation also and give them some depth. I always thought Leon Williams could be a situational edge rusher, but he jsut doesn't fit as a ILB in the 3-4.
Now, does Brinkley last until the 3rd round or do we need an additional pick in the 2nd round?
The more you look at this draft the more I am convinced that we definately have to get some additional picks. Anderson trade and trade down in round 1. Who else could be trade bait?
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Converting a raji or rogers to a DE makes more sense then some think.. 3 beasts upfront frees the linebackers to raise 3 kinds of hell in the backfield against the run and all but guarantees consistant pressure on the qb...raji is likely faster then williams or smith flat out..
Runs for losses would become the norm and qbs would tremble in their pocket for the short time they could stay in it...hehehe
Robaire smith is average to slightly below average against the run and pass he is easily taken out of the formulation with 1 tackle or guard depending on the o-scheme he can also be held up just long enough with a good bump or by a good blocking TE or RB that he rarely gets any pressure or penetration..im not sure about williams as he played hurt all season and still fared better then smith when he played imho...
At this point getting a high motor DE is as important as a olb and securing a FS/SS with vision that offers proper support to the corners instead of going solo at will is also important...
I really dont envy mankoks decisions in the draft or FA we arent sitting pretty this time around and mankok is likely going to look stupid no matter which path they take short of shuffling butterfingers and DA for picks/trades..and even that has an ugly side.
We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS! -
The BIG problem is that there are only a few ILB's worth a damn and if we want one we have to snatch them with the 2nd rounder...with Brinkley's performance today....he may be our only option unless you like beckwith from Lsu. None of the half decent ones will be there after the second round. I really do not want anymore average ILB's...had them my whole life.
So, can Brinkley be our solution? Then no RB with the #37 pick
So, can Brinkley be our solution? Then no RB with the #37 pick
I am not saying he is a solution ...I'm saying if we address the ILB situation with one of the FEW guys in this draft it will have to be at #36 because I personally don't think we can with the 4th rounder or the 6th....Meaning the ILB's worth a damn will be way gone due to the lack of them. Friday starts FA...It will determine either the LB position or RB position maybe even the Center position....which will effect our draft strategy
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So, can Brinkley be our solution? Then no RB with the #37 pick
I am not saying he is a solution ...I'm saying if we address the ILB situation with one of the FEW guys in this draft it will have to be at #36 because I personally don't think we can with the 4th rounder or the 6th....Meaning the ILB's worth a damn will be way gone due to the lack of them. Friday starts FA...It will determine either the LB position or RB position maybe even the Center position....which will effect our draft strategy
I am not saying he is a solution ...I'm saying if we address the ILB situation with one of the FEW guys in this draft it will have to be at #36 because I personally don't think we can with the 4th rounder or the 6th....Meaning the ILB's worth a damn will be way gone due to the lack of them. Friday starts FA...It will determine either the LB position or RB position maybe even the Center position....which will effect our draft strategy
I agree.............................................
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Converting a raji or rogers to a DE makes more sense then some think.. 3 beasts upfront frees the linebackers to raise 3 kinds of hell in the backfield against the run and all but guarantees consistant pressure on the qb...raji is likely faster then williams or smith flat out..
Runs for losses would become the norm and qbs would tremble in their pocket for the short time they could stay in it...hehehe
Robaire smith is average to slightly below average against the run and pass he is easily taken out of the formulation with 1 tackle or guard depending on the o-scheme he can also be held up just long enough with a good bump or by a good blocking TE or RB that he rarely gets any pressure or penetration..im not sure about williams as he played hurt all season and still fared better then smith when he played imho...
At this point getting a high motor DE is as important as a olb and securing a FS/SS with vision that offers proper support to the corners instead of going solo at will is also important...
I really dont envy mankoks decisions in the draft or FA we arent sitting pretty this time around and mankok is likely going to look stupid no matter which path they take short of shuffling butterfingers and DA for picks/trades..and even that has an ugly side.
Converting a raji or rogers to a DE makes more sense then some think.. 3 beasts upfront frees the linebackers to raise 3 kinds of hell in the backfield
I agree....It causes huge matchup problems that many teams can't handle. Unless they have an All pro Tackle that can go one on one with with one of the two, you'll wreak havoc all day long.
Haynesworth helps the Titan's defense so much. He constantly draws double and triple teams and it allows guys like Vanden Bosch, Ford and Tony Banks to make big plays.
The Titans defense is in the top 6 in about every catagory and it's due more to that great D line than it is the LB's. Bulluck is a great LB. After that they are average.
But they run the 4-3.....Linebackers play a bit larger role in the 3-4.
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Converting a raji or rogers to a DE makes more sense then some think.. 3 beasts upfront frees the linebackers to raise 3 kinds of hell in the backfield against the run and all but guarantees consistant pressure on the qb...raji is likely faster then williams or smith flat out..
Runs for losses would become the norm and qbs would tremble in their pocket for the short time they could stay in it...hehehe
Robaire smith is average to slightly below average against the run and pass he is easily taken out of the formulation with 1 tackle or guard depending on the o-scheme he can also be held up just long enough with a good bump or by a good blocking TE or RB that he rarely gets any pressure or penetration..im not sure about williams as he played hurt all season and still fared better then smith when he played imho...
At this point getting a high motor DE is as important as a olb and securing a FS/SS with vision that offers proper support to the corners instead of going solo at will is also important...
I really dont envy mankoks decisions in the draft or FA we arent sitting pretty this time around and mankok is likely going to look stupid no matter which path they take short of shuffling butterfingers and DA for picks/trades..and even that has an ugly side.
Converting a raji or rogers to a DE makes more sense then some think.. 3 beasts upfront frees the linebackers to raise 3 kinds of hell in the backfield against the run and all but guarantees consistant pressure on the qb...raji is likely faster then williams or smith flat out..
Runs for losses would become the norm and qbs would tremble in their pocket for the short time they could stay in it...hehehe
Robaire smith is average to slightly below average against the run and pass he is easily taken out of the formulation with 1 tackle or guard depending on the o-scheme he can also be held up just long enough with a good bump or by a good blocking TE or RB that he rarely gets any pressure or penetration..im not sure about williams as he played hurt all season and still fared better then smith when he played imho...
At this point getting a high motor DE is as important as a olb and securing a FS/SS with vision that offers proper support to the corners instead of going solo at will is also important...
I really dont envy mankoks decisions in the draft or FA we arent sitting pretty this time around and mankok is likely going to look stupid no matter which path they take short of shuffling butterfingers and DA for picks/trades..and even that has an ugly side.
Alo and I have been over this and I think we both agree...the problem with putting all those big guys on the DL is that you end up getting sweeps and end arounds run on you all day. Then, when you adjust to cover those...the can go A gap on you. It just doesn't work.
There really is a reason guys in the 285-310 range our considered to be the ideal for a 3-4 DE.
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Say just for fun this happens DET-Curry,KC-Maualuga,Rams-Crabtree,Seattle-Beanie . I KNOW this will NOT hapen but say it does, the top 4 guys I would like to see in orange and brown are gone so who do we draft at 5? or do we trade down? Do we pick Lauranitus at 5 or hope he will be there if we trade down? Well maybe not Crabtree but the other 3 for sure
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Laurinitis is not having a great combine. He's a mid second half of the first round, I think. Or later, who knows.
Whatever lb we draft, has to be the kind of guy who can dominate - get his job done excellently.
With Curry gone, and Jenkins not running a bigtime 40...
I really think I'd draft Raji, let him play DE. Raji is going to be a star.
He can play NT for the Browns later, when Rodgers is a FA and bolts elsewhere.
Or Orakpo. Orakpo or Raji. I think it's narrowed down to that if Curry is gone.
Of course, were it not for Raji, I would draft the best ORT/LT just because I want two all pro bookends on the oline,
and a guy who could flip over to the LT spot in case Joe Thomas gets dinged, GOD FORBID
No way Rey goes in the top ten now. Fergit about it.
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