Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Zombo said:
Angry Browns Fan has good lyrics but can't sing or perform. You have good sound, but lyrics kinda lacking IMO, as you readily admitted. I think you two need to combine forces.
Zombo
I'm open to the idea. I'd like to not bother with lyrics in general. When left up to me, lyrics usually end being about poop, boobs, getting drunk, etc.
When left up to me, lyrics usually end being about poop, boobs, getting drunk, etc.
what else do you need?
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I didn't want to start a new thread, but looking over the two possessions by JM, he wasn't exactly helped out, was he? That pisses me off. First possession, Benji across the middle but off his finger tips. Maybe it was too far in front, but I expect a pro to dive for a ball like that. My coach would always say, if you can tip it, you can catch it. I didn't see 100% effort on that play. Second possession, second play, Drey on a hook pattern, JM hits him with a bullet and he drops it. Then on 4th down Austin's pattern is a yard short of the first down. He should know better than that. I know we keep focusing on the QB's but it's the rest of the the team that playing like shit. Fumble, wrong pattern, dropped balls, no running game in the second half. We need a better effort to make the playoffs.
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I didn't want to start a new thread, but looking over the two possessions by JM, he wasn't exactly helped out, was he? That pisses me off. First possession, Benji across the middle but off his finger tips. Maybe it was too far in front, but I expect a pro to dive for a ball like that. My coach would always say, if you can tip it, you can catch it. I didn't see 100% effort on that play. Second possession, second play, Drey on a hook pattern, JM hits him with a bullet and he drops it. Then on 4th down Austin's pattern is a yard short of the first down. He should know better than that. I know we keep focusing on the QB's but it's the rest of the the team that playing like shit. Fumble, wrong pattern, dropped balls, no running game in the second half. We need a better effort to make the playoffs.
I didn't want to start a new thread, but looking over the two possessions by JM, he wasn't exactly helped out, was he? That pisses me off. First possession, Benji across the middle but off his finger tips. Maybe it was too far in front, but I expect a pro to dive for a ball like that. My coach would always say, if you can tip it, you can catch it. I didn't see 100% effort on that play. Second possession, second play, Drey on a hook pattern, JM hits him with a bullet and he drops it. Then on 4th down Austin's pattern is a yard short of the first down. He should know better than that. I know we keep focusing on the QB's but it's the rest of the the team that playing like shit. Fumble, wrong pattern, dropped balls, no running game in the second half. We need a better effort to make the playoffs.
This stuff happens to hoyer too on every possession, all guys need to play better, including him.
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Tour-I seem to recall Colt McCoy, the current starter in Wash. was once a Brown. I thought he had good long term potential but needed the kind of guidance that JM is now getting under Pettine. I thought he came in too early and left too soon with the Browns. As he has gotten older he has developed a stronger passing arm and is maturing as a QB who is reading defenses better now. Am I wrong?
PS- and starting Weeden as a rookie over McCoy was the kiss of death for Weeden, so now he is elsewhere as a backup. I was mostly thinking about the most recent 2 cases when I made that statement.
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About the rest of the offense (and pass rush and punt returning and placekicking) stepping it up, yes, but it's also part of what happens when we're down to our 4th center, who's actually more a back-up tackle than center, 3rd and 4th TEs, rookie RBs and Josh Gordon's post-suspensions good and bad, which was the case for Hoyer's games last year, too. Even aside from injuries, which always happen to a degree, there were valid reasons why this was supposed to be another 10+ loss season and why we were going to see JFF by game 4.
I'll support and be excited with Hoyer or Manziel, but all that makes Hoyer at 7-5/9-5/10-5 at least respectable no matter how much credit/blame he should get (I prefer leaning toward credit considering the previous 15 years of QBs) and even you think JFF gives us the best shot to win now.
The make-up/injuries of the roster probably made Pettine more likely to stay with Hoyer because, like it or not, game managing, great defense, re-finding the +2, +3 turnover games and staying close enough for 1 or 2 more Hoyer comeback drives add up to our best shot for the next four games.
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Tour-I seem to recall Colt McCoy, the current starter in Wash. was once a Brown. I thought he had good long term potential but needed the kind of guidance that JM is now getting under Pettine. I thought he came in too early and left too soon with the Browns. As he has gotten older he has developed a stronger passing arm and is maturing as a QB who is reading defenses better now. Am I wrong?
PS- and starting Weeden as a rookie over McCoy was the kiss of death for Weeden, so now he is elsewhere as a backup. I was mostly thinking about the most recent 2 cases when I made that statement.
Tour-I seem to recall Colt McCoy, the current starter in Wash. was once a Brown. I thought he had good long term potential but needed the kind of guidance that JM is now getting under Pettine. I thought he came in too early and left too soon with the Browns. As he has gotten older he has developed a stronger passing arm and is maturing as a QB who is reading defenses better now. Am I wrong?
PS- and starting Weeden as a rookie over McCoy was the kiss of death for Weeden, so now he is elsewhere as a backup. I was mostly thinking about the most recent 2 cases when I made that statement.
I was with you on Colt until the bitter end. As a rook he was pressed into service after our 1 and 2 QBs (Delhomme and Wallace) went down with high ankle sprains. He then played relatively well through 2011 before Harrison laid him out.
2012 brought Wheezy (drafted in a FO panic move... close on the heels of the earlier, trade-up-for-TR, panic move) and a sham competition to start in Shurmur's vertical scheme. In Colt's last appearance for us, he was over-throwing the ball and produced more worm-burners than completions. May have been his futile attempt to overcome his "noodle-arm" moniker, which IMO was always hyperbolic, and earn the regain job.
Speculation on my part, but I think we now see that Colt's arm was never right when he was with us. It was still healing from the Bowl game, nerve damage injury. His arm showed signs of being more "live" last year in SF; it shows more signs now.
Bottom line... Colt was given a last chance... and did not look the part.
While I agree a rookie can be ruined by starting too early, IMO, Wheezy never had "it". And you can't ruin what was never there. You can't give up prematurely on what is never there.
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One year older, one year wiser.
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I doubt he reads the board, why are you wishing him a Happy Birthday? Just because we needed another QB thread? Oh, Walter.
Let's see 22 years old, that was 1988 for this Johnny M. I was partying my ass off, traveling all over the country and nailing everything that moved. So we got that in common.
Zombo
--But I wasn't second string.
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I just noticed it was his birthday a couple hours ago. saw it with other today's birthdays in an email advertising something. I was going to post it but didn't.
WSS
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it's also the birthday of Agnes Moorehead. So there.
I posted that just to piss off the fans of Margaret Hamilton.
WSS
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Happy bday future Browns HOF QB!
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so if jm wants a birthday bj all he has to do is look on this board. there are probably a few that are more than willing. good luck fan boys on your quest.
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I doubt he reads the board, why are you wishing him a Happy Birthday? Just because we needed another QB thread? Oh, Walter.
Let's see 22 years old, that was 1988 for this Johnny M. I was partying my ass off, traveling all over the country and nailing everything that moved. So we got that in common.
Zombo
--But I wasn't second string.
1988. 1992. Either way lolZombo said:
I doubt he reads the board, why are you wishing him a Happy Birthday? Just because we needed another QB thread? Oh, Walter.
Let's see 22 years old, that was 1988 for this Johnny M. I was partying my ass off, traveling all over the country and nailing everything that moved. So we got that in common.
Zombo
--But I wasn't second string.
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1988. 1992. Either way lolZombo said:
I doubt he reads the board, why are you wishing him a Happy Birthday? Just because we needed another QB thread? Oh, Walter.
Let's see 22 years old, that was 1988 for this Johnny M. I was partying my ass off, traveling all over the country and nailing everything that moved. So we got that in common.
Zombo
--But I wasn't second string.
1988. 1992. Either way lol
I see the confusion ... My name is Johnny M., and I was 22 in 1986. So I meant '86, not '88. Johnny born '92 ... I wonder if I knew his Mom, traveled to Texas quite a bit.
Zombo
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1988. 1992. Either way lol
I see the confusion ... My name is Johnny M., and I was 22 in 1986. So I meant '86, not '88. Johnny born '92 ... I wonder if I knew his Mom, traveled to Texas quite a bit.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I see the confusion ... My name is Johnny M., and I was 22 in 1986. So I meant '86, not '88. Johnny born '92 ... I wonder if I knew his Mom, traveled to Texas quite a bit.
Zombo
Probably not. He seems to have some athleitic ability.
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Zombo said:
I see the confusion ... My name is Johnny M., and I was 22 in 1986. So I meant '86, not '88. Johnny born '92 ... I wonder if I knew his Mom, traveled to Texas quite a bit.
Zombo
Probably not. He seems to have some athleitic ability.
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I doubt he reads the board, why are you wishing him a Happy Birthday? Just because we needed another QB thread? Oh, Walter.
Let's see 22 years old, that was 1988 for this Johnny M. I was partying my ass off, traveling all over the country and nailing everything that moved. So we got that in common.
Zombo
--But I wasn't second string.
Zombo said:
I doubt he reads the board, why are you wishing him a Happy Birthday? Just because we needed another QB thread? Oh, Walter.
Let's see 22 years old, that was 1988 for this Johnny M. I was partying my ass off, traveling all over the country and nailing everything that moved. So we got that in common.
Zombo
--But I wasn't second string.
4 years older than you then....
blistered the sun with the skins of ass i threw away back then. but did do my own travels through the southwest on the way to AZ.
if manziel was a blond haired blue eyed uber kind then i might have something to talk to him about.
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