Jonathan Paul Manziel
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So in listening to the post game show yesterday I heard Tony Grossi reiterate a few rumors you've heard before.
First that the front office is torn between Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel with coach on the Veterans side.
We have heard some snarky comments, such as the one about the office not being quarterback centric.
Ru more has it that the coach was upset Johnny went to the Cavaliers game last Tuesday.
Also that he was annoyed that Johnny showed up Sunday at the stadium at 11 o'clock instead of 6 a.m. Or whenever Brian Hoyer did.
I can't imagine why they would give a shit about a Tuesday night basketball game. Also if no team rules were broken what in the world does it help to show up at the stadium early? If Brian Hoyer showed up early it didn't do him any good.
I think Mike Pettine has done a very nice job with the team here but if his vindictive nature is going to cause your team to lose games that's a very serious flaw that he needs to overcome.
And if he dislikes JFF badly enough to sacrifice a game and quite probably a chance at the playoffs to teach him a lesson it doesn't bode well for the future nor set a good example for the rest of the team.
Possibly he can spin it as trying to give the starter a chance. Or to lay the blame on a couple penalties that gave the Colts the game. I can't imagine taking it any further though.
(I also realize that sports media professionals are paid to stir up shit so....)
WSS
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Agreed. He is not a High School coach anymore where the kids will obey you like robots. These are pros, and are going to do what they like within limits (except Gordon).
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I sincerely hope Pettine wasn't scolding Manziel to the detriment of a potential win.
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I don't see any issues. Not sure how the basketball game matters as long as he didn't leave early/was on time the next day.
Also, he didn't show up early... but he didn't show up late. I can't imagine Pettine really has any issues with those specific things.
It's cool BH cares enough to show up and start working early on game day, but it'd be cooler if he played well. Why would you expect the backup to show up early to warm up.
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Apparently JF was tweeting at 3.30am Saturday night/Sunday morning?
Clearly they aren't happy with his behaviour
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Apparently JF was tweeting at 3.30am Saturday night/Sunday morning?
Clearly they aren't happy with his behaviour
Apparently JF was tweeting at 3.30am Saturday night/Sunday morning?
Clearly they aren't happy with his behaviour
The basketball game and showing up at 11 am would likely be a non issue in a vacuum. Add things like tweeting at 3:30 am the night before a potential start for him and its still indicative of a huge lack of commitment and maturity. I hope he gets the nod and does well but these are the ongoing behaviors that should be of concern. Please don't say "he's just a kid still", he is expected to be a responsible adult and is making a lot of money to be one.
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Apparently JF was tweeting at 3.30am Saturday night/Sunday morning?
Clearly they aren't happy with his behaviour
Apparently JF was tweeting at 3.30am Saturday night/Sunday morning?
Clearly they aren't happy with his behaviour
From where and about what?
WSS
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"The implication here seems a little bit like in Office Space when Jennifer Aniston gets criticized by her boss for wearing the bare minimum amount of flair pins. If the team did want Manziel to arrive earlier, they could tell him to be there then."
So Hoyer is the Retarded, bubbly blond-haired kid and Manziel is Jennifer Aniston in this analogy...
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We used to call it work hard, play hard. If going out late is affecting his performance, then it would be an issue. If not, then leave him alone.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Exactly! Work hard play hard!
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Apparently JF was tweeting at 3.30am Saturday night/Sunday morning?
Clearly they aren't happy with his behaviour
The basketball game and showing up at 11 am would likely be a non issue in a vacuum. Add things like tweeting at 3:30 am the night before a potential start for him and its still indicative of a huge lack of commitment and maturity. I hope he gets the nod and does well but these are the ongoing behaviors that should be of concern. Please don't say "he's just a kid still", he is expected to be a responsible adult and is making a lot of money to be one.
The basketball game and showing up at 11 am would likely be a non issue in a vacuum. Add things like tweeting at 3:30 am the night before a potential start for him and its still indicative of a huge lack of commitment and maturity. I hope he gets the nod and does well but these are the ongoing behaviors that should be of concern. Please don't say "he's just a kid still", he is expected to be a responsible adult and is making a lot of money to be one.
I agree with you, since Farmer came in they have made a big deal about changing the culture with “play like Browns” etc.
They don't trust him off the field so he isn't getting on it.
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The basketball game and showing up at 11 am would likely be a non issue in a vacuum. Add things like tweeting at 3:30 am the night before a potential start for him and its still indicative of a huge lack of commitment and maturity. I hope he gets the nod and does well but these are the ongoing behaviors that should be of concern. Please don't say "he's just a kid still", he is expected to be a responsible adult and is making a lot of money to be one.
I agree with you, since Farmer came in they have made a big deal about changing the culture with “play like Browns” etc.
They don't trust him off the field so he isn't getting on it.
I agree with you, since Farmer came in they have made a big deal about changing the culture with play like Browns etc.
They don't trust him off the field so he isn't getting on it.
Well then thanks coach. You showed him eh?
Of course by doing so you not only punished him but all the fans and the rest of the team. Does that make you feel better? Frankly London it doesn't cheer me up...
Billy didn't clean up his room so the whole family stays home.
WSS
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I agree with you, since Farmer came in they have made a big deal about changing the culture with play like Browns etc.
They don't trust him off the field so he isn't getting on it.
Well then thanks coach. You showed him eh?
Of course by doing so you not only punished him but all the fans and the rest of the team. Does that make you feel better? Frankly London it doesn't cheer me up...
Billy didn't clean up his room so the whole family stays home.
WSS
Well then thanks coach. You showed him eh?
Of course by doing so you not only punished him but all the fans and the rest of the team. Does that make you feel better? Frankly London it doesn't cheer me up...
Billy didn't clean up his room so the whole family stays home.
WSS
As fans we just want win today first but guess they're looking at this as a long term culture shift ?
Manziel needs to buy in quick as looks like Pettine isn't budging
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Well then thanks coach. You showed him eh?
Of course by doing so you not only punished him but all the fans and the rest of the team. Does that make you feel better? Frankly London it doesn't cheer me up...
Billy didn't clean up his room so the whole family stays home.
WSS
As fans we just want win today first but guess they're looking at this as a long term culture shift ?
Manziel needs to buy in quick as looks like Pettine isn't budging
As fans we just want win today first but guess they're looking at this as a long term culture shift ?
Manziel needs to buy in quick as looks like Pettine isn't budging
Let me see. BH has not scored a TD in any way in 3 games and is the worst QB in the NFL over that same period.
JF, that little cocky shit, has had 5 minutes and scored a running TD that would have been beyond Hoyer's abilities.
So tell me again who needs to buy into who? Pettine needs to wake up and smell the coffee. He has a Joe Namath/Bobby Lane on his hands and has no clue.
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Well then thanks coach. You showed him eh?
Of course by doing so you not only punished him but all the fans and the rest of the team. Does that make you feel better? Frankly London it doesn't cheer me up...
Billy didn't clean up his room so the whole family stays home.
WSS
As fans we just want win today first but guess they're looking at this as a long term culture shift ?
Manziel needs to buy in quick as looks like Pettine isn't budging
As fans we just want win today first but guess they're looking at this as a long term culture shift ?
Manziel needs to buy in quick as looks like Pettine isn't budging
Well maybe coach can put that on his resume in a couple years.
Where is Weeb Ewbank when we need him?
WSS
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I love that Johnny shows to support the cavs. Kid's got balls. Have that same attitude on the field and we'll be ok.
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There is clearly a divide among players and coaches (Hoyer guys and JF guys). Hell, Cameron said it was his fault on the Hoyer Int. in the end-zone.
Hell, Cameron said it was his fault on the Hoyer Int. in the end-zone.
Really? I didn't see him throw off his back foot (I'd like to see the replay because it actually appeared his feet were almost parallel to the LOS and he threw off his back heels) into double coverage when there was no real pressure. How could he possibly blame himself for Hoyer's supreme FU of the day (even worse than the two wide open TD overthrows)?
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We used to call it work hard, play hard. If going out late is affecting his performance, then it would be an issue. If not, then leave him alone.
We used to call it work hard, play hard. If going out late is affecting his performance, then it would be an issue. If not, then leave him alone.
Also, the guy is fucking 22 and people need to lighten up.
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