Hoyers should be removed as starter
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All the more reason to go with the guy who can improvise. I'm tired of hearing how the receivers weren't where he expected then to be so he threw it to a defender instead. If they're not where they're supposed to be, you improvise, brian. You improvise.
Lol. Good one. I agree. At this point try Johnny and see what happens. It may look like a desperation move, but let's not try to hide the fact that we are just that for making the playoffs. Joe might say starting him means we are looking towards next year already...but that was last week's statement. Things are already different now.All the more reason to go with the guy who can improvise. I'm tired of hearing how the receivers weren't where he expected then to be so he threw it to a defender instead. If they're not where they're supposed to be, you improvise, brian. You improvise.
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Here's all I can say:
Mike Pettine has been fed up with the antics of Manziel for quite some time (late night stuff, the vegas stuff, etc)
Mike Pettine and a few veterans prefer Hoyer
Kyle Shanahan prefers Manziel because he benefits the offense more.
A lot of people want Manziel to start within the organization but are afraid to speak up for job security reasons.
Hoyer WILL NOT be back UNDER ANY circumstance next year barring a miracle.
I honestly, truly, deep down believe if Harbaugh becomes available Haslam will make a run at him.
Here's all I can say:
Mike Pettine has been fed up with the antics of Manziel for quite some time (late night stuff, the vegas stuff, etc)
Mike Pettine and a few veterans prefer Hoyer
Kyle Shanahan prefers Manziel because he benefits the offense more.
A lot of people want Manziel to start within the organization but are afraid to speak up for job security reasons.
Hoyer WILL NOT be back UNDER ANY circumstance next year barring a miracle.
I honestly, truly, deep down believe if Harbaugh becomes available Haslam will make a run at him.
I am to the point where I want Manziel to start and succeed. Having said that the "antics" as you call them are a legitimate concern. When a guy can't even get his ass to bed before 3:30 am on the night before a game where he has the real potential to play its pathetic. More pathetic is he isn't even discrete enough to keep it out of the public eye. People can try to defend that saying he is still just a kid but thats BS. At his level of athletic performance there is no doubt that would have a more than negative effect on his play.
Regarding Harbaugh I think that is highly unlikely. Haslam took a lot of heat for the way he quickly fired the last coach. It was a huge factor in why most coaches wouldnt come here. If he fires another coach after a year, one who took us to our best record in years, he won't get anyone to coach in Cleveland.
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Jesus who the hell cares what the guy does in his free time if he shows up and plays well. He could not sleep at all for all I care if Manziel went out and played like we saw against the Bills. It's clear as day that getting there early to prepare didn't work for Hoyer. As long as Manziel isn't getting into legal trouble it doesn't matter to me in the slightest.
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Here's all I can say:
Mike Pettine has been fed up with the antics of Manziel for quite some time (late night stuff, the vegas stuff, etc)
Mike Pettine and a few veterans prefer Hoyer
Kyle Shanahan prefers Manziel because he benefits the offense more.
A lot of people want Manziel to start within the organization but are afraid to speak up for job security reasons.
Hoyer WILL NOT be back UNDER ANY circumstance next year barring a miracle.
I honestly, truly, deep down believe if Harbaugh becomes available Haslam will make a run at him.
I am to the point where I want Manziel to start and succeed. Having said that the "antics" as you call them are a legitimate concern. When a guy can't even get his ass to bed before 3:30 am on the night before a game where he has the real potential to play its pathetic. More pathetic is he isn't even discrete enough to keep it out of the public eye. People can try to defend that saying he is still just a kid but thats BS. At his level of athletic performance there is no doubt that would have a more than negative effect on his play.
Regarding Harbaugh I think that is highly unlikely. Haslam took a lot of heat for the way he quickly fired the last coach. It was a huge factor in why most coaches wouldnt come here. If he fires another coach after a year, one who took us to our best record in years, he won't get anyone to coach in Cleveland.
I am to the point where I want Manziel to start and succeed. Having said that the "antics" as you call them are a legitimate concern. When a guy can't even get his ass to bed before 3:30 am on the night before a game where he has the real potential to play its pathetic. More pathetic is he isn't even discrete enough to keep it out of the public eye.
Regarding Harbaugh I think that is highly unlikely. Haslam took a lot of heat for the way he quickly fired the last coach. It was a huge factor in why most coaches wouldnt come here. If he fires another coach after a year, one who took us to our best record in years, he won't get anyone to coach in Cleveland.
I haven't seen anything about his 3:30am tweet, but I wonder if he woulda done the same had he gotten the call earlier this week. Who knows, maybe he woke up in the middle of the night and decided to tweet about it. Anyway, he was on time.
And it's ludicrous for people to seriously be thinking about coaching changes.
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Yeah the coach is safe. Hoyer not so much.
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I'll offer my take. For one, I liked the Manziel pick. However; I was happy with Hoyer being the starter, and allowing Manziel to sit, learn the pro game and develop properly so as to NOT ruin another QB. Furthermore we have a new front office and a new head coach. This truly is a building year, and by winning 7 games (which nobody expected, though I did) they are looking as though they are heading in the right direction. With another draft under the new regime's belt, and getting all of our injured guys back next year, 2015 looks to be the year to take that next step and get to the post season. I did not expect and still do not expect the Browns to make the playoffs this year. They would have win out, and get a lot of help. Having said that, they may as well go with Manziel for these last 3 games, so we can see what we have with him and find out if he can provide that spark going into next season. I'll tell you this, Hoyer with his performance over the last few games has not made a case for cashing in on a big payday here or elsewhere. In fact, he may end up back here as a back up, and I'd be OK with that. Given his recent performance, who is going to give him a big contract? A team that is desperate, and two come to mind Oakland, or Tennessee, and that is it!
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Oakland let palmer walk they're not going to shell out for hoyer.
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Pettine lost us the game and I hope they just give the offensive power and decisions to someone else.
I'd fire Pettine but that's just me.
Yeah lets fire the coach that has made the Browns watchable in December for the first time in 7 years, smart.
Yeah lets fire the coach that has made the Browns watchable in December for the first time in 7 years, smart.
Seriously. I think Pettine and the Browns exceeded a lot of people's expectations this year. There is no need for knee jerk reactions in firing him!
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pettines a fucking bitch Louis Brian piccolo fuck him. Manziel would've won us this game and we would have a great chance for the playoffs
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Can't wait to see bitch ass hoyer on the bench oh god you suck hoyer
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Hoyer just said he hasn't been told anything about not starting so assume Pettine won't be saying anything either at 4pm press conference.
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I've been a Hoyer supporter, but this game made it obvious that he has regressed to the level of Weeden, Frye, and all the others who passed through here. I'll be disgusted if he plays another snap for this team...let alone starts another game. Hopefully the Manziel lovers will be right. If not....here we go again. I think the reason that Pettine would not go to Manziel yesterday was because of him getting to the game late, and attitude. Personally. I would have hoped he would have made the change at halftime. I don't care that JF parties when he shouldn't. Why not?....he's not going to get in the game....so he doesn't really need to be ready or anything. It's sickening, the way the defense and special teams played, and then lose the game because the qb can't play at an average level. Pettine either needs to put Manziel in for Cincy or find someone else. Hoyer sucks. He has shown that he is as advertised.....back up only.....definitely proved me wrong.
I've been a Hoyer supporter, but this game made it obvious that he has regressed to the level of Weeden, Frye, and all the others who passed through here. I'll be disgusted if he plays another snap for this team...let alone starts another game. Hopefully the Manziel lovers will be right. If not....here we go again. I think the reason that Pettine would not go to Manziel yesterday was because of him getting to the game late, and attitude. Personally. I would have hoped he would have made the change at halftime. I don't care that JF parties when he shouldn't. Why not?....he's not going to get in the game....so he doesn't really need to be ready or anything. It's sickening, the way the defense and special teams played, and then lose the game because the qb can't play at an average level. Pettine either needs to put Manziel in for Cincy or find someone else. Hoyer sucks. He has shown that he is as advertised.....back up only.....definitely proved me wrong.
The Manziel fans better be right- we'll be on quarterback #22 or something like that- I'm getting damn tired of it.
Regarding the red you're one injury snap away from getting in the game JFF, so it does behoove you to be ready.
I'll agree, the way the D played, even average qb play- not a crappy 32 qbr would have gotten the win. Would have helped if Cundiff hadn't missed that FG either.
pettines a fucking bitch Louis Brian piccolo fuck him. Manziel would've won us this game and we would have a great chance for the playoffs
How do you know that Manziel would have won the game?
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I'm ready for Manziel to take over.
Are you?
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I've been ready since halftime of the Buffalo game. It's time.
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I was just thinking. . . we really do need another Manziel thread.
The other 50 just aren't enough.
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I was just thinking. . . we really do need another Manziel thread.
The other 50 just aren't enough.
I was just thinking. . . we really do need another Manziel thread.
The other 50 just aren't enough.
So... are you declaring an e-MERGE-ency?
I'll hate myself tomorrow...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I wonder who Walter wants to start.
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I was just thinking. . . we really do need another Manziel thread.
The other 50 just aren't enough.
So... are you declaring an e-MERGE-ency?
I'll hate myself tomorrow...
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