Jonathan Paul Manziel
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assholes. everyone has one but you don't have to be one.
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assholes. everyone has one but you don't have to be one.
I'm guessing LBC stands for Let Brian Continue.
WSS
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I'm guessing LBC stands for Let Brian Continue.
WSS
Remember that video awhile back with that guy/girl/tranny that cried and screamed into a camera "Leave Britney alone" while crying. Idk how because it was Retarded, but it got really big for some reason. Anyway, I feel like there should be a "Leave Brian Alone" video along the same lines.
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Dalton may have double the qbr of the first game.Fair enough. I'm stoked on the D so i still think this game is very winnable. Go Browns.
Dalton may have double the qbr of the first game.
lol.. I think we could handle Andy posting a 4.0... which, BTW, might be his first ever 4.0...
I don't think JF will get killed. Nobody said that about Russell Wilson and he's shorter than Manziel. Also Drew Bree's is only 6'0" and he's a hall of famer. This gives the organization a chance to look ahead and see what we need in the draft. Like they should have back in May when they drafted Manziel.
Size is not the issue... Taller, bigger QBs get blasted into the tub, if they run with abandon.
I usually don't like doing predictions, but Johnny's never let me down.
He will throw for 250+ and run for 70, and will RARELY GET HIT. He'll lead the offense to 30+ points and almost 500 yards.
"He'll make rookie mistakes." Yes, he will, but not nearly as many as most expect. He's very careful with the ball when the situation calls for it. Too often in college he knew the defense sucked and he had to take risks to score points. He will not be overly risky with the Browns stud defense.
"He doesn't know the playbook." You are truly a fucking idiot if you think this.
Preserved for post game... even if you forgot, "Can't read a defense," with or without an insult...
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Faded said:
Man, I have a lot of confidence in Manziel's abilities, but you make me look like a detractor. I've never seen a college player quite like him, but you're glossing over some things as well. He looked completely baffled by the LSU defense last year (yeah, I know, thumb injury), and he absolutely did throw a few bad interceptions, including a particularly unnecessary one against Alabama at home when we were ahead. You say he'll rarely get hit. It depends; if he plays with the total abandon that he played with in college, where he was pretty much more agile than anyone else on the field, he might killed. If he's a little more judicious than that, and learns not to go for broke on every play, then he might make it.
I'm totally pumped, but it's got the potential to be a little rocky. He's a smart kid; hopefully he's become a more patient one as well.
I'll admit I might have set the bar high, but I have a track record winning bets about Johnny.
LSU had his number, no doubt. The int against bama was a terrible play by the receiver, ran a bad route and let the corner pick it. Big play for sure.
I guess I'm just tired of all the people expecting him to fail, so I just wanted to put forth a little optimism.
I went overboard, hope I'm right.
Faded said:
Man, I have a lot of confidence in Manziel's abilities, but you make me look like a detractor.
Detractor? Not necessarily... just an objective fan.
I'll admit I might have set the bar high, but I have a track record winning bets about Johnny.
LSU had his number, no doubt. The int against bama was a terrible play by the receiver, ran a bad route and let the corner pick it. Big play for sure.
I guess I'm just tired of all the people expecting him to fail, so I just wanted to put forth a little optimism.
I went overboard, hope I'm right.
So the best way to set your boy up for success in skeptics' eyes is to raise expectations?
Browns fans do not care whether JM wins us the game as long as we win the game.
We do not care how much faith you or any other JM follower have in him.
We do not care how much money he has made you.
JM not losing us the game is our "bar".
See how easy his job really is?
May he not lose us many, many games for years to come. If he wins some, too, and makes you a few more bucks... all the better.
Go Browns...
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Time for a little levity: Play the game JF!
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I don't think JF will get killed. Nobody said that about Russell Wilson and he's shorter than Manziel. Also Drew Bree's is only 6'0" and he's a hall of famer. This gives the organization a chance to look ahead and see what we need in the draft. Like they should have back in May when they drafted Manziel.
You're citing Big-10 QB's. On this board the Big 10 is infallible. Johnny has football semse you can't teach. Look at the TD run against Buffalo. He knew he was going to get hit so he turned his back to that side in mid air to protect himself. That is instinct.
BTW, Johnny played in the SEC and most of the country is sick of how dominating they have been since 2005. Many of the posters here have no idea about the depth and intensity of SEC football. OSU comes somewhat close but as for the rest - LSU beat Wisconsin with a bunch of freshmen in their first game ever. What does that say.
Sit back and watch JFF run roughshod over Cincy and pass like a demon. Marvin Lewis won't know what hit him and he sure won't have an answer. Midget indeed.
Faded said:
Is this site credible at all?
'http://dawgpoundnation.com/2014/12/09/rumors-browns-considering-cutting-brian-hoyer
You throw enough at a peep show wall and sooner or later something sticks...
If Hoyer were to let his disappointment overrule his good sense, sure... he could earn being cut.
But as a Pro QB who will be without a contract soon enough... not to mention a family man with three prime, non-guaranteed game checks on the horizon... not seeing that.
Look at the TD run against Buffalo. He knew he was going to get hit so he turned his back to that side in mid air to protect himself. That is instinct.
Ummm... a diving DB got a hand on JM's chest as he is starting his dive... raked it and his forearm across his pads and right arm. Endzone replay shows it clear as day...
That replay also shows the DB turning about 90 degs in mid-air as a result of JM running through the contact. Ya think maybe, just maybe, the torque of that contact also supplied the "instinct" to which you refer?
Well we've argued about Manziel since draft day.
One thing we all have in common is passion.
GO BROWNS !
Loved the entire post... I just hate quoting lengthy posts.
The trial intersection starts Sunday.
Go Browns...
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I don't expect miracles. Not only has Josh Gordon not work with the team all season he hasn't worked with Johnny at all. And quarterbacks do you need to get in rhythm with their favorite receivers.
I also hope that Kyle Shanahan is able to hold sway over the couch and tailor an offense suited to Johnny rather than try to force him into the role of the non quarterback centric offense .
WSS
I don't expect miracles. Not only has Josh Gordon not work with the team all season he hasn't worked with Johnny at all. And quarterbacks do you need to get in rhythm with their favorite receivers.
I also hope that Kyle Shanahan is able to hold sway over the couch and tailor an offense suited to Johnny rather than try to force him into the role of the non quarterback centric offense .
WSS
As long as this gameplan doesn't include running a smaller, lighter QB than RG3 a bunch of times - I'll be content.
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I don't expect miracles. Not only has Josh Gordon not work with the team all season he hasn't worked with Johnny at all. And quarterbacks do you need to get in rhythm with their favorite receivers.
I also hope that Kyle Shanahan is able to hold sway over the couch and tailor an offense suited to Johnny rather than try to force him into the role of the non quarterback centric offense .
WSS
As long as this gameplan doesn't include running a smaller, lighter QB than RG3 a bunch of times - I'll be content.
As long as this gameplan doesn't include running a smaller, lighter QB than RG3 a bunch of times - I'll be content.
Well again, of the two quarterbacks we have on the roster which one was out for a year due to an injury sustained while running the ball?
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Hoorta
The Texans not drafting him has mothing to do with how good he is or will be. Every team passed on Tom Brady and Joe Montana at least once. Does that mean they weren't good?
Manziel is SO good that he's the only qb under 6 feet to be drafted in the first round in over 50 years. Teams are scared of small qb's, that's why so many passed on him.
As well as lsu did against Johnny, the Aggies could have won in 2012, maybe should have won. In 2013, Johnny played with a fractured thumb.
As for rolling to his left, I've seen few better at throwing while rolling left, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. I can think of 4 of his most famous Aggie highlights happening while rolling left. He rolled left against Buffalo once and threw a perfect pass to Austin.
Hoorta
The Texans not drafting him has mothing to do with how good he is or will be. Every team passed on Tom Brady and Joe Montana at least once. Does that mean they weren't good?
Manziel is SO good that he's the only qb under 6 feet to be drafted in the first round in over 50 years. Teams are scared of small qb's, that's why so many passed on him.
As well as lsu did against Johnny, the Aggies could have won in 2012, maybe should have won. In 2013, Johnny played with a fractured thumb.
As for rolling to his left, I've seen few better at throwing while rolling left, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. I can think of 4 of his most famous Aggie highlights happening while rolling left. He rolled left against Buffalo once and threw a perfect pass to Austin.
lsu out played them for sure in 2013...but you're right, manziel's injury and the lack of receivers (i don't think kennedy even played in 2013 game) hurt as well........when evans is the only guy you really fear...you double triple team him and put max pressure on the qb
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Well again, of the two quarterbacks we have on the roster which one was out for a year due to an injury sustained while running the ball?
WSS
Which wasn't even a designed called. I'd say that further illustrates protecting the QB at all costs.
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Hoorta
The Texans not drafting him has mothing to do with how good he is or will be. Every team passed on Tom Brady and Joe Montana at least once. Does that mean they weren't good?
Manziel is SO good that he's the only qb under 6 feet to be drafted in the first round in over 50 years. Teams are scared of small qb's, that's why so many passed on him.
As well as lsu did against Johnny, the Aggies could have won in 2012, maybe should have won. In 2013, Johnny played with a fractured thumb.
As for rolling to his left, I've seen few better at throwing while rolling left, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. I can think of 4 of his most famous Aggie highlights happening while rolling left. He rolled left against Buffalo once and threw a perfect pass to Austin.
As for rolling to his left, I've seen few better at throwing while rolling left, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. I can think of 4 of his most famous Aggie highlights happening while rolling left. He rolled left against Buffalo once and threw a perfect pass to Austin.
He was rolling to his left when he threw wide to Benji.
GO BROWNS!!
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Cool stories Texas bros. Keep us informed when Johnny continues his domination of college ball...
the NFL is a man's league. I saw johnny pimples getting runned down by DE in preseason. Again... it don't mean squat. Please keep your college domination posts to a minimum because we've heard it a thousand times.
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There is no need for an apostrophe in Evans.
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I can only imagine how high the "bounty" is to knock this kid out. You know there are some vets that would love to get a piece of meat and be that guy. Yeah, I know, you can't have a bounty anymore.....and you can't say midget. Going to a bar in CentFL to watch the kid's debut. I wish he'd absolutely drill Lewis with an incomplete pass on their sidelines as he's going out of bounds. From maybe 8 yards out.
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I don't think JF will get killed. Nobody said that about Russell Wilson and he's shorter than Manziel. Also Drew Bree's is only 6'0" and he's a hall of famer. This gives the organization a chance to look ahead and see what we need in the draft. Like they should have back in May when they drafted Manziel.
You're citing Big-10 QB's. On this board the Big 10 is infallible. Johnny has football semse you can't teach. Look at the TD run against Buffalo. He knew he was going to get hit so he turned his back to that side in mid air to protect himself. That is instinct.
BTW, Johnny played in the SEC and most of the country is sick of how dominating they have been since 2005. Many of the posters here have no idea about the depth and intensity of SEC football. OSU comes somewhat close but as for the rest - LSU beat Wisconsin with a bunch of freshmen in their first game ever. What does that say.
Sit back and watch JFF run roughshod over Cincy and pass like a demon. Marvin Lewis won't know what hit him and he sure won't have an answer. Midget indeed.
Look at the TD run against Buffalo. He knew he was going to get hit so he turned his back to that side in mid air to protect himself. That is instinct.
i recall miles austin adjusting in mid-air to protect himself as well in the same game. i think they just released his kidneys to him in a jar.
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Good call PE. Gordon is more talented than Evans. So I would answer the question with yes he could be. Will Gordon return to Gordon form is the better question
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Well again, of the two quarterbacks we have on the roster which one was out for a year due to an injury sustained while running the ball?
Which wasn't even a designed called. I'd say that further illustrates protecting the QB at all costs.
Im not so sure he'll get hurt just because he runs or is an inch shorter.....It seems to me that QB's standing in the pocket are more susceptible to getting hurt, as they are often exposed and blindsided.....at least runners are prepared, anticipating the hit, trying to avoid it, etc....
And he is very elusive....so lots of glancing blows.....
Im sure IF he gets hurt, a lot of folks will claim his style or size is the reason, even though QB's go down every week for a million different reasons....big ones, pocket passers, runners....they all get hit
Brian got hurt sliding, not cause he was hit.....RGIII got hurt and he was just running, and also wasn't hit.....shit just happens...
So....let's assume he'll take some lumps....it's the NFL.....but I have no reason to think he's any more or any less susceptible than any other QB.....
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Hoorta
The Texans not drafting him has mothing to do with how good he is or will be. Every team passed on Tom Brady and Joe Montana at least once. Does that mean they weren't good?
Manziel is SO good that he's the only qb under 6 feet to be drafted in the first round in over 50 years. Teams are scared of small qb's, that's why so many passed on him.
As well as lsu did against Johnny, the Aggies could have won in 2012, maybe should have won. In 2013, Johnny played with a fractured thumb.
As for rolling to his left, I've seen few better at throwing while rolling left, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. I can think of 4 of his most famous Aggie highlights happening while rolling left. He rolled left against Buffalo once and threw a perfect pass to Austin.
Hoorta
The Texans not drafting him has mothing to do with how good he is or will be. Every team passed on Tom Brady and Joe Montana at least once. Does that mean they weren't good?
Manziel is SO good that he's the only qb under 6 feet to be drafted in the first round in over 50 years. Teams are scared of small qb's, that's why so many passed on him.
As well as lsu did against Johnny, the Aggies could have won in 2012, maybe should have won. In 2013, Johnny played with a fractured thumb.
As for rolling to his left, I've seen few better at throwing while rolling left, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. I can think of 4 of his most famous Aggie highlights happening while rolling left. He rolled left against Buffalo once and threw a perfect pass to Austin.
Gosh sakes, Manziel not getting drafted #1 overall had EVERYTHING to do what NFL teams (not College Fanboys) thought his eventual pro potential would be. RE: Brady & Montana- I've beat that argument into the ground already too. Pro scouts & GMs have a checklist of what they think qbs should be. Andrew Luck checked off all the boxes- it's why he went #1 overall, Brady, Montana, AND Manziel didn't. Well wah, wah- IF JFF was 3" taller, and had the off field demeanor of Mariota, he may well have been drafted #1 overall. He isn't, doesn't- that that's the facts, Jack. Yeah Dan Marino fell in the draft because of off field concerns- so get it through your head I'm not saying Manziel can't be a good, or even great qb in the NFL- he's got to prove it on the field too. In my case I'll believe he's the greatest thing to hit the NFL since the facemask when he's in the top 10 in qbr for a couple of years, and leads the Browns into the playoffs a couple of times.
Let me point out a few things for you- I'm probably as big an Ohio State Homer as the A&M fans who have invaded of late, and I go back to the days of Paul Warfield, John Brockington, and Woody Hayes.
Manziel won a Heisman. So? Archie Griffin won two. How did that work out in the pros?
I was certain Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkinson was going to be the next Bruce Smith- well, guess I was wrong about that.
It's the same reason why JFFs apologists not only can't see why he wasn't drafted #1 overall- they're blind to the flaws in his game at the pro level- and trust me they're there- IF you're being 1\2 objective about it. Johnny Jump ball to triple teamed Evans won't work in the NFL- taking off when your primary receiver is covered will sooner or later land you on IR. It only takes one mistake (RGIII) or fluke situation (Hoyer, Mack). Even guys as big as Kapernick and Newton are showing the wear and tear of getting pounded by taking off running. JF must learn, as Russell Wilson has- run if you HAVE to, not because you can. He's a smart kid- I really hope he's learned a thing or two since August.
So the best way to set your boy up for success in skeptics' eyes is to raise expectations?
Browns fans do not care whether JM wins us the game as long as we win the game.
We do not care how much faith you or any other JM follower have in him.
We do not care how much money he has made you.
JM not losing us the game is our "bar".
See how easy his job really is?
May he not lose us many, many games for years to come. If he wins some, too, and makes you a few more bucks... all the better.
Go Browns...
Exactly.
He was rolling to his left when he threw wide to Benji.
GO BROWNS!!
A sample size of one. I'm not going to bother to list all the other JF shortcomings that were duly noted in his preseason games. He's had three months of quarterback boot camp to correct them.
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Well again, of the two quarterbacks we have on the roster which one was out for a year due to an injury sustained while running the ball?
WSS
exactly why we don't need another.
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