Jonathan Paul Manziel
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i don't think anyone here wants to see manziel fail, in fact i'm sure it's quite the opposite.
the problem is (that you aggie fans refuse to comprehend) that every time one of you texas a and m fans/alum or what-have-yous opens their pie hole to profess to us how manziel changed the college football landscape, is the best thing since sliced bread, will be the next willie mays and the first man on uranus is just nauseating. since the browns punched manziel's ticket @22 in this year's draft, this board has been inundated with fans from 'outside'. do browns fans despise new browns fans? of course not.
do people get disturbed when some stranger comes into their house and tells you your recliner sucks and yours is better?
g@# damn right.
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Let me see if I can shed some light on the Manziel following. There have been plenty of really decent players come out of A&M to various teams over the years and it's usually fun to watch their games when they are on. But Johnny Football was different from all of them. I think I once said on here that I called my Aggie friend with the Superbowl ring on his hand to tell he that after almost 50 years I had demoted him to second place as the greatest A&M athlete I had ever seen in 60 years of watching A&M football.
Johnny Manziel was the most head spinning, do everything athlete you could possibly imagine kind of player. Right up there with Bo Jackson. So it's the same reason a lot of people who were not Browns enjoyed watching the greatest runner every seen, Jim Brown. When you see someone who does things on a field you've never seen before you want to hang around just to see what he's gonna do next. So that is what you have. A player like none of us has ever seen has come your way. And apparently most of the rest of the nation wants to see him play as well, otherwise there would not be such a media circus.
so manziel made A&M great which means he probably would've never seen the field with most teams. to put him in the same breath with a HOFer such as jim brown is fucking disgraceful. that's a breach of the brown's tree of history right there.
manziel will be lucky to sniff the passing gas of jim brown on his way to the field.
so manziel made A&M great which means he probably would've never seen the field with most teams. to put him in the same breath with a HOFer such as jim brown is fucking disgraceful. that's a breach of the brown's tree of history right there.
manziel will be lucky to sniff the passing gas of jim brown on his way to the field.
as my name implies, i'm a big jim brown fan and i rooted for cleveland, not because i liked cleveland, per se, but because jim brown played for them. for me he's one of, if not the best ever, running backs.....but don't beat up on aggie brown too much.....manziel was every bit as good in college as jim brown. in 3 years at syracuse brown ran for 2091 yards....and 19 td's.; that's in 3 year..... in 2 years at a&m, manziel ran for 2169 yards and 30 fucking td's...and he did this while he was passing for another 7829 yds and 63 additional td's; and that's in the sec west, the toughest conference in the nation.....so at least from a college perspective, which is all we can compare at this time, manziel more than holds his own against (my boy) jim brown..so cut the manziel fans some slack....his fucking college career was amazing......so it's no wonder that his fans like him as much as jim brown's did back in the day.....
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so manziel made A&M great which means he probably would've never seen the field with most teams. to put him in the same breath with a HOFer such as jim brown is fucking disgraceful. that's a breach of the brown's tree of history right there.
manziel will be lucky to sniff the passing gas of jim brown on his way to the field.
as my name implies, i'm a big jim brown fan and i rooted for cleveland, not because i liked cleveland, per se, but because jim brown played for them. for me he's one of, if not the best ever, running backs.....but don't beat up on aggie brown too much.....manziel was every bit as good in college as jim brown. in 3 years at syracuse brown ran for 2091 yards....and 19 td's.; that's in 3 year..... in 2 years at a&m, manziel ran for 2169 yards and 30 fucking td's...and he did this while he was passing for another 7829 yds and 63 additional td's; and that's in the sec west, the toughest conference in the nation.....so at least from a college perspective, which is all we can compare at this time, manziel more than holds his own against (my boy) jim brown..so cut the manziel fans some slack....his fucking college career was amazing......so it's no wonder that his fans like him as much as jim brown's did back in the day.....
as my name implies, i'm a big jim brown fan and i rooted for cleveland, not because i liked cleveland, per se, but because jim brown played for them. for me he's one of, if not the best ever, running backs.....but don't beat up on aggie brown too much.....manziel was every bit as good in college as jim brown. in 3 years at syracuse brown ran for 2091 yards....and 19 td's.; that's in 3 year..... in 2 years at a&m, manziel ran for 2169 yards and 30 fucking td's...and that's in the sec west, the toughest conference in the nation.....so at least from a college perspective, which is all we can compare at this time, manziel more than holds his own against (my boy) jim brown..so cut the manziel fans some slack....his fucking college career was amazing......so it's no wonder that his fans like him as much as jim brown's did back in the day.....
fucking A bro. i give every fucking body the same fucking slack across the fucking board.
just don't come into my fucking house and act like your fucking dog is better than my fucking dog. i've had three fucking dogs and i've got pics and memories of all those fuckers. just cuz your fucker licks the peanut butter off your fucking hairy snatch doesn't mean fucking diddly to me.
capiche? you fucker. (HA!) (swear much?)
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Let me see if I can shed some light on the Manziel following. There have been plenty of really decent players come out of A&M to various teams over the years and it's usually fun to watch their games when they are on. But Johnny Football was different from all of them. I think I once said on here that I called my Aggie friend with the Superbowl ring on his hand to tell he that after almost 50 years I had demoted him to second place as the greatest A&M athlete I had ever seen in 60 years of watching A&M football.
Johnny Manziel was the most head spinning, do everything athlete you could possibly imagine kind of player. Right up there with Bo Jackson. So it's the same reason a lot of people who were not Browns enjoyed watching the greatest runner every seen, Jim Brown. When you see someone who does things on a field you've never seen before you want to hang around just to see what he's gonna do next. So that is what you have. A player like none of us has ever seen has come your way. And apparently most of the rest of the nation wants to see him play as well, otherwise there would not be such a media circus.
so manziel made A&M great which means he probably would've never seen the field with most teams. to put him in the same breath with a HOFer such as jim brown is fucking disgraceful. that's a breach of the brown's tree of history right there.
manziel will be lucky to sniff the passing gas of jim brown on his way to the field.
so manziel made A&M great....... to put him in the same breath with a HOFer such as jim brown is fucking disgraceful.....
manziel will be lucky to sniff the passing gas of jim brown on his way to the field.
You said it...disgraceful is right
i rooted for cleveland, not because i liked cleveland, per se, but because jim brown played for them...........manziel was every bit as good in college as jim brown. ..........so at least from a college perspective, which is all we can compare at this time, manziel more than holds his own against (my boy) jim brown....
See, you're doing it again...what you guys keep missing is NO ONE CARES ABOUT FUCKING COLLEGE STATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIGURE IT OUT!!
NEVER have I heard ONE PERSON even mention Jim Browns college stats....ever....you know why???....they dont matter....
and NO ONE in cleveland, who loved Jim Brown, did it because he had good college stats....NO ONE!!!....you know why?....because they dont matter.....
And NO ONE from Syracuse came here acting all gay about him either....
Jim Brown is a legend and...ONLY ....because of what he did in the NFL......not college....
So....until Johnny absolutely DOMINATES the NFL.....and makes grown men look like boys...please refrain from the comparisons.....because -TO US - it is insulting....and about 8 years and a couple hundred touchdowns too soon
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The Texans not drafting him has mothing to do with how good he is or will be. Every team passed on Tom Brady and Joe Montana at least once. Does that mean they weren't good?
Manziel is SO good that he's the only qb under 6 feet to be drafted in the first round in over 50 years. Teams are scared of small qb's, that's why so many passed on him.
As well as lsu did against Johnny, the Aggies could have won in 2012, maybe should have won. In 2013, Johnny played with a fractured thumb.
As for rolling to his left, I've seen few better at throwing while rolling left, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. I can think of 4 of his most famous Aggie highlights happening while rolling left. He rolled left against Buffalo once and threw a perfect pass to Austin.
Gosh sakes, Manziel not getting drafted #1 overall had EVERYTHING to do what NFL teams (not College Fanboys) thought his eventual pro potential would be. RE: Brady & Montana- I've beat that argument into the ground already too. Pro scouts & GMs have a checklist of what they think qbs should be. Andrew Luck checked off all the boxes- it's why he went #1 overall, Brady, Montana, AND Manziel didn't. Well wah, wah- IF JFF was 3" taller, and had the off field demeanor of Mariota, he may well have been drafted #1 overall. He isn't, doesn't- that that's the facts, Jack. Yeah Dan Marino fell in the draft because of off field concerns- so get it through your head I'm not saying Manziel can't be a good, or even great qb in the NFL- he's got to prove it on the field too. In my case I'll believe he's the greatest thing to hit the NFL since the facemask when he's in the top 10 in qbr for a couple of years, and leads the Browns into the playoffs a couple of times.
Let me point out a few things for you- I'm probably as big an Ohio State Homer as the A&M fans who have invaded of late, and I go back to the days of Paul Warfield, John Brockington, and Woody Hayes.
Manziel won a Heisman. So? Archie Griffin won two. How did that work out in the pros?
I was certain Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkinson was going to be the next Bruce Smith- well, guess I was wrong about that.
It's the same reason why JFFs apologists not only can't see why he wasn't drafted #1 overall- they're blind to the flaws in his game at the pro level- and trust me they're there- IF you're being 1\2 objective about it. Johnny Jump ball to triple teamed Evans won't work in the NFL- taking off when your primary receiver is covered will sooner or later land you on IR. It only takes one mistake (RGIII) or fluke situation (Hoyer, Mack). Even guys as big as Kapernick and Newton are showing the wear and tear of getting pounded by taking off running. JF must learn, as Russell Wilson has- run if you HAVE to, not because you can. He's a smart kid- I really hope he's learned a thing or two since August.
So the best way to set your boy up for success in skeptics' eyes is to raise expectations?
Browns fans do not care whether JM wins us the game as long as we win the game.
We do not care how much faith you or any other JM follower have in him.
We do not care how much money he has made you.
JM not losing us the game is our "bar".
See how easy his job really is?
May he not lose us many, many games for years to come. If he wins some, too, and makes you a few more bucks... all the better.
Go Browns...
Exactly.
He was rolling to his left when he threw wide to Benji.
GO BROWNS!!
A sample size of one. I'm not going to bother to list all the other JF shortcomings that were duly noted in his preseason games. He's had three months of quarterback boot camp to correct them.
Gosh sakes...
I cannot remember the last time I saw h this pissed...
The above goes into detail about the Buffalo td drive. Not sure how to post links.
Here's something from the second article I wasn't aware of.
" Manziel attempted the highest percentage of passes covering 20 yards or longer among the consensus top four quarterback prospects, a whopping 18.69 percent of his throws, according to Greg Peshek of Rotoworld.
Manziel completed 55.84 percent of those shot plays, also the top mark and better than Bridgewater, Bortles and Carr."
Thanks for the link. As you now know it's just a copy/ paste thing directly into the reply box.
And I shit you not... we knew the JM stat you did not... I think it was TCPO that posted an article that did a full comparison of all the top QB prospects in the 2014 draft. Mostly as I recall it was to argue that Carr's stats we padded by the number of behind the LOS throws he made. But the surprise in the article was JM's downfield percentage.
So if you need to know anything else about JM... just ask...
Well Mike Pettine seems to want to know how it works out for sure.
We're you as surprised as I that Pettine did not commit to JM for the balance of the season?
Everlasting, have you ever noticed Johnny having a problem throwing while rolling left, or heard that that was a weakness?
Ag69 informed us long ago of JM's Shortstop prowess explaining his ability to roll left and throw effectively across his body. You did know he played SS right? A real fan would...
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Thats fair and i do understand that thought process. I couldnt imagine the hell you all have been through. Its not always easy being a Cowboys fan either. I love the passion (brotherhood) of the Browns fan base, the Dawg pound...i really do like it and i have enjoyed chatting with you all over these past months. I think Johnny fans come wanting to enjoy the excitement with Browns fans. I think they mean well although it may not always come across that way. I think Manziel will be a Brown for some 10-15 years, so i dont waste time thinking about what happens if he is traded. New Brown fans are created in different ways. I wouldnt assume everyone would jump ship.
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He was rolling to his left when he threw wide to Benji.
GO BROWNS!!
It was a 1/4 roll left; a play we've seen before this season. JM stopped and set, but pressure in JM's face caused him to bail rather than stride (perfectly understandable) and produced the errant throw wide of Benji (S12P5).
On the drives 2nd play (S12P2) he rolled left and threw a strike to Austin. It was a short pass, but right on the money.
Whether supportive or critical of any player, it's kinda important to get the facts straight.
Go Browns!
It was a 1/4 roll left; a play we've seen before this season. JM stopped and set, but pressure in JM's face caused him to bail rather than stride (perfectly understandable) and produced the errant throw wide of Benji (S12P5).On the drives 2nd play (S12P2) he rolled left and threw a strike to Austin. It was a short pass, but right on the money.Whether supportive or critical of any player, it's kinda important to get the facts straight.Go Browns!
Not trying to spew inaccuracies, just trying to go off of what little memory this ol-timer has left.
i don't think anyone here wants to see manziel fail, in fact i'm sure it's quite the opposite.
Bingo! I want to see JFF kick ass, but I'm not going to be presumptuous enough to say that his college success will carry over into the NFL. We all know how well that has worked out over the years.
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i don't think anyone here wants to see manziel fail, in fact i'm sure it's quite the opposite.
the problem is (that you aggie fans refuse to comprehend) that every time one of you texas a and m fans/alum or what-have-yous opens their pie hole to profess to us how manziel changed the college football landscape, is the best thing since sliced bread, will be the next willie mays and the first man on uranus is just nauseating. since the browns punched manziel's ticket @22 in this year's draft, this board has been inundated with fans from 'outside'. do browns fans despise new browns fans? of course not.
do people get disturbed when some stranger comes into their house and tells you your recliner sucks and yours is better?
g@# damn right.
do people get disturbed when some stranger comes into their house and tells you your recliner sucks and yours is better?
Your recliner sucks and mines better! LOL!
Cool down mik. I was not trying to say JM is even close to Jim Brown. What I was attempting to say was that when you see someone play a position like you've never seen before it tends to make you want to follow their career to see where it leads. A lot of non-Browns fans back in the day followed Jim Brown (me included) because he did things we'd never seen before.
My hope is that some day JM will be talked about in the same breath as the great JB. Besides I plan to hang around another 50 years to see if he reaches that level of reverence.
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do people get disturbed when some stranger comes into their house and tells you your recliner sucks and yours is better?
Your recliner sucks and mines better! LOL!
Cool down mik. I was not trying to say JM is even close to Jim Brown. What I was attempting to say was that when you see someone play a position like you've never seen before it tends to make you want to follow their career to see where it leads. A lot of non-Browns fans back in the day followed Jim Brown (me included) because he did things we'd never seen before.
My hope is that some day JM will be talked about in the same breath as the great JB. Besides I plan to hang around another 50 years to see if he reaches that level of reverence.
:lol:Besides I plan to hang around another 50 years to see if he reaches that level of reverence.
:lol:yeah man. still searching for that fountain of youth.
sad thing is someone told me years ago it was hidden in a bottle of gin.
still lookin!
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" Ag69 informed us long ago of JM's Shortstop prowess explaining his ability to roll left and throw effectively across his body. You did know he played SS right? A real fan would..."
Honest to God, I almost put the shortstop info in there, but I didn't want to go overboard,as I (ahem) tend to do.
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I cant wait to see the kid play!
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do people get disturbed when some stranger comes into their house and tells you your recliner sucks and yours is better?
Your recliner sucks and mines better! LOL!
Cool down mik. I was not trying to say JM is even close to Jim Brown. What I was attempting to say was that when you see someone play a position like you've never seen before it tends to make you want to follow their career to see where it leads. A lot of non-Browns fans back in the day followed Jim Brown (me included) because he did things we'd never seen before.
My hope is that some day JM will be talked about in the same breath as the great JB. Besides I plan to hang around another 50 years to see if he reaches that level of reverence.
:lol:My hope is that some day JM will be talked about in the same breath as the great JB. ...except some are doing it already. Jim Brown's not a good analogy, as there are no comparisons between the 2....except they were both Browns....
Besides I plan to hang around another 50 years to see if he reaches that level of reverence.
:lol:...50 years???....hahahaha....shit, he's already reached it with you guys now...thats pretty obvious.....its that reverence, dripping like ooze from your posts, that makes us all want to puke...... -
had a chuckle at the difference in lengths of Pettine/Jm's statements vs Hoyers. Says everything.
had a chuckle at the difference in lengths of Pettine/Jm's statements vs Hoyers. Says everything.
So does your top hobby... pulling the wings off of flies.
Paul Brown would be proud of Brian...
You want The Browns to lose because of Johnny?
You're such a fucking loser you should be banned, you're so jealous it's pathetic. You're embarrassing.
Nah... folks that gratuitously start new threads just because they have a new bit of "news" first should go first.
Z stepping on your "JM to Start" thread must have stung like a bitch...
K. And like I told you before, you're free to go through my post history and see I wanted Manziel to start last week. Or you can keep leaving obscure remarks
Damn, if you'd only tweeted it...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I don't expect miracles. Not only has Josh Gordon not work with the team all season he hasn't worked with Johnny at all. And quarterbacks do you need to get in rhythm with their favorite receivers.
I also hope that Kyle Shanahan is able to hold sway over the couch and tailor an offense suited to Johnny rather than try to force him into the role of the non quarterback centric offense .
WSS
As long as this gameplan doesn't include running a smaller, lighter QB than RG3 a bunch of times - I'll be content.
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The entire state of Texas gets this game on fox according to 506Sports. I'm sure many Aggie fans and jerry Jones will be watching.
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And the QB pissed it away, that's why Johnny is your new QB and there isn't anything you can do about it except take it to the face.
Wha, exactly, did you have to do with the decision to start Manziel?
Wha, exactly, did you have to do with the decision to start Manziel?
TCPO you haven't been around much so you probably missed the memo..................................Walter is actually Haslam's love child and is the puppet master pulling all the strings ESPECIALLY Johnny's string
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had a chuckle at the difference in lengths of Pettine/Jm's statements vs Hoyers. Says everything.
So does your top hobby... pulling the wings off of flies.
Paul Brown would be proud of Brian...
You want The Browns to lose because of Johnny?
You're such a fucking loser you should be banned, you're so jealous it's pathetic. You're embarrassing.
Nah... folks that gratuitously start new threads just because they have a new bit of "news" first should go first.
Z stepping on your "JM to Start" thread must have stung like a bitch...
K. And like I told you before, you're free to go through my post history and see I wanted Manziel to start last week. Or you can keep leaving obscure remarks
Damn, if you'd only tweeted it...
Z stepping on your "JM to Start" thread must have stung like a bitch...
No actually it didn't, I'm always 2 steps ahead of you in the information and glad it got merged.
I'm not a 17 year teen who goes dissecting everything thread and making snarky, non contributing comments, get over yourself dad.
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Well again, of the two quarterbacks we have on the roster which one was out for a year due to an injury sustained while running the ball?
WSS
exactly why we don't need another.
exactly why we don't need another.
Ok.
What can I say.
So if he gets killed in the first three starts we still have BH.
Or trade him today for a second package it up with our first two number ones to move up for Jamarcus Winston.
I wish BH was better but he's not. So I guess I'll cross my fingers and root for Johnny until somebody proves me wrong.
WSS
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Absolutely not. But you can bet plenty on here will.
Absolutely not. But you can bet plenty on here will.
I'd say my usual "name three", but you can probably do that... so... name six...
Another bar raised by Johnny Manziel!
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My hope is that some day JM will be talked about in the same breath as the great JB. ...except some are doing it already. Jim Brown's not a good analogy, as there are no comparisons between the 2....except they were both Browns....
Besides I plan to hang around another 50 years to see if he reaches that level of reverence.
:lol:...50 years???....hahahaha....shit, he's already reached it with you guys now...thats pretty obvious.....its that reverence, dripping like ooze from your posts, that makes us all want to puke......shit, he's already reached it with you guys now...thats pretty obvious.....its that reverence, dripping like ooze from your posts, that makes us all want to puke......
LOL! We didn't call him Johnny Legend for nothing you know. And as we would always say, "And the legend continues."
PS-guess what Boomer Esiason, Michael Irvin and Phil Simms have in common today-they all picked the Browns to beat Cinn. "even with a rookie QB".
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