Fan patience
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Good comments from everyone.... I think i figured out the problem. We have some Johnny fans in here who aren't necessarily Browns fans. Ugh... It seems as though these fans in addition to the Lebron James/johnny Manziel Network (ESPN) has been pouring on way too much hype, which then sets Cleveland up for more disappointment. We'll just wait & see i guess.
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I've been in Hoyer's camp since I saw him last year - the guy has the ability to play good ball.
Agree... For me it was not an issue of Hoyer's ceiling... it was high enough. It was a matter of his consistency at a level close enough to that. If you've shown the attic, then you should spend most of your time at least on the 2nd floor. But we saw too much basement and first floor.
And you know I think Mack was the key...
Faded said:
Most of us who registered on this board because of Manziel, actually went to A&M (I suspect - I haven't taken a survey or anything). So, in my mind, the comparison just doesn't really work. This is not a guy who didn't stick on my favorite pro team and then went somewhere else; he's a guy that was a smashing success at my school and now I'd like to see him succeed at the next level. Good for him, good for our program, good for you. And it never occurred to me that the Browns would or should pull Hoyer when he was winning games.
It's fanboys like you that just infuriate us "haters" with your logic and common sense and above all, your objectivity. Makes it so hard on us what with having to remember who's the good fanboy and who's the bad fanboy...
So, were you in the Corps?
Didn't you beat Cincy with a pretty good running attack last time? Is that likely to be repeated? That would be huge (of course).
Yes... ran for 170+ with West leading the way with 26 for 94 yds. It was McDonald's 3rd start at Center.
here's to YOUR a and m QB turning into OUR nfl franchise QB.
If you are allergic to the ampersand in "A&M", then you can always just type TAMU...
You're welcome...
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McCoy and Anderson are solid back ups, weeden should thank his lucky stars he is on an NFL roster at all.
Weeden looks like a garbage pail kid and has the IQ of a band aid. Thank Christ we never have to suffer through another Browns game quarterbacked by that water-trash.
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McCoy and Anderson are solid back ups, weeden should thank his lucky stars he is on an NFL roster at all.
Weeden looks like a garbage pail kid and has the IQ of a band aid. Thank Christ we never have to suffer through another Browns game quarterbacked by that water-trash.
Weeden looks like a garbage pail kid and has the IQ of a band aid. Thank Christ we never have to suffer through another Browns game quarterbacked by that water-trash.
more like a sun scorched peeling raisin laying in the basin of a AZ water way culvert, parched and oblivious to schwarzenneger as the terminator blowing through the guard rail from above.
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My patience is still here, been a fan since my dad took me to my first game in 1970 (I was 7). I still get pissed off after a loss, and I was really irritated leaving the stadium Sunday- all we needed was a TD after the Leonhard INT, but nope. Then the shitty PI call on Skrine, another loss.
I too was pulling for Hoyer, he was playing so well before Mack went down. The season was so promising (I know, it really isn't over yet, we still have a tiny chance if we win out). It just sucks to no end to see a team that was gelling at 6-3 hit the skids.
JF may provide a spark, I hope so. The move had to be done.
The future is bright. Our HC isn't perfect, but he's the best we've had in awhile. Farmer seems to be on top of things. We have closed the gap on our division rivals.
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I believe Theodore Roosevelt said it a lot better than I can:
THE MAN IN THE ARENA
Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic"
delivered at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat -
My patience is still here, been a fan since my dad took me to my first game in 1970 (I was 7). I still get pissed off after a loss, and I was really irritated leaving the stadium Sunday- all we needed was a TD after the Leonhard INT, but nope. Then the shitty PI call on Skrine, another loss.
I too was pulling for Hoyer, he was playing so well before Mack went down. The season was so promising (I know, it really isn't over yet, we still have a tiny chance if we win out). It just sucks to no end to see a team that was gelling at 6-3 hit the skids.
JF may provide a spark, I hope so. The move had to be done.
The future is bright. Our HC isn't perfect, but he's the best we've had in awhile. Farmer seems to be on top of things. We have closed the gap on our division rivals.
Teddy could really turn a phrase... Reminds me that I still have the third installment of Morris' TR trilogy to read.
... before Mack went down. The season was so promising...
Take just a second to put together in your head the O-line play/Offense we saw early with the D we see now.
No matter the QB, that image is dizzying...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Teddy could really turn a phrase... Reminds me that I still have the third installment of Morris' TR trilogy to read.
... before Mack went down. The season was so promising...
Take just a second to put together in your head the O-line play/Offense we saw early with the D we see now.
No matter the QB, that image is dizzying...
Teddy could really turn a phrase... Reminds me that I still have the third installment of Morris' TR trilogy to read.
Take just a second to put together in your head the O-line play/Offense we saw early with the D we see now.
No matter the QB, that image is dizzying...
Only in Cleveland......yuck. Let's win out and do some damage in the postseason. Balls to the wall last 3 games. These men can do it!
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Yes all 3 of them are still in the league, but they are all backups and that's all they will ever be. They get their chances due to injury or ineffective play. The are NOT starting QB's though
Yes all 3 of them are still in the league, but they are all backups and that's all they will ever be. They get their chances due to injury or ineffective play. The are NOT starting QB's though
Precisely. Unfortunately the Browns have used a bunch of backup QBs...or worse. Really, only Tim Couch could have been considered to be a starting NFL QB for more than a 1 year period....but he got hurt and he lost his confidence...and played for some awful teams.
We have had washed up starters like Dilfer/Garcia/Delhomme/Jason Campbell. Third round reaches like Frye/McCoy who didn't pan out. Frye...out of the league....McCoy is a backup. We have had first round busts like Quinn and Weeden. A few younger veterans that showed some promise but didn't ultimately pan out as hoped: Holcomb/Anderson/Hoyer
NONE of these guys ever went away from here to secure a full time starting gig.
We have not had a real NFL starting QB on this team since before "the move" (with the possible exception of Couch). Vinny and Bernie were the last ones we have had really
We now need to have one. We have had bad luck with like 20 guys in a row not fitting the bill.
Johnny Manzeil is now #21.....and we need to hit Blackjack with him.
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I am very impatient with Cundiff. He's gotta go.
I am very impatient with Cundiff. He's gotta go.
If it wasn't for his long KO's I think he'd be gone already, but yeah, it's hard to believe there's not someone more accurate out there.
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