Jonathan Paul Manziel
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@usfbrown said:
do you think before you post and say to yourself... this sounds like a sane, rational, person? I sure hope you're under 20. if not, yikes!
What did I say that's wrong?
What did I say that's wrong?
I was just busting your chops and realized it was a stupid post after I put it up. Hence the deletion. Sorry.
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It does count. You are wrong. Read the fucking facts. It ain't that hard to read or to count.
Gip, ya know I love ya- but just because Bert Bell had a grudge- it is what it is. 65 years and counting- it's not going to change, just like Shoeless Joe Jackson is never going to get reinstated.
I'm curious about which part of the link you are referring to that makes it count. Don't worry, I count them.
I noticed one part which stated this:
In 1948, the Browns became the first professional football team to complete an entire season undefeated and untied — 24 years before the 1972 Miami Dolphins of the NFL would accomplish the task, but this feat is not recognized by NFL record books. Unlike the AFL statistics which are treated as NFL statistics, records of the AAFC and its teams (most of which folded) are not recognized. However, individual AAFC player statistics are included in Pro Football Hall of Fame records, and the defunct conference is memorialized in the Hall.
Seems contradictory to me.
Also, Packers and Bears have more championship wins, but they are NFC teams.
and never will be.
Do the afl titles pre merger count in official standings?
Yes, which sucks.
Gip, ya know I love ya- but just because Bert Bell had a grudge- it is what it is. 65 years and counting- it's not going to change, just like Shoeless Joe Jackson is never going to get reinstated.
and never will be.
Yes, which sucks.
Hoorta.....you are under the misperception that recognition by the NFL matters one whit. It doesn't. Example: Bhutan, Iran, Cuba and North Korea do not recognize the existance of The United States of America.....but the last time I looked, the USA does exist.
Not happy with that analogy.....then just turn it around. Iran, Cuba, N. Korea, Bhutan all exist even if the USA does not recognize them.
Some people deny the holocaust.....but it still happened.
Denying or "not recognizing" history doesn't change or delete history.
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And still... Fuck Ft Wayne
Ft. Wayne? LOL.
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@everlastingxxx said:
A question to those that have seen the build up to the other 20 quarterbacks. Does this feel any different? Is there any clue that you can sense that gives you slightly more hope?
Nope. Feels similar to Quinn. Similar to Anderson in 08. Weeden - not so much.
The only thing that gives me slightly more hope is an improved defense and a better offensive cast than what Weeden had. Anderson was fortunate to have to a good Oline and the one year wonder of Braylon and Winslow.
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I know a guy from Texas who is a Dallas Cowboys/NY Yankees fan... I think alot of people like that are simply bandwagon fans who followed the Yankees for years simply because they were consistently a good ball team.
I know a guy from Texas who is a Dallas Cowboys/NY Yankees fan... I think alot of people like that are simply bandwagon fans who followed the Yankees for years simply because they were consistently a good ball team.
We know a guy from Akron, Ohio who claims to be a Cowboys/Yankees fan. His name is LeBron James.
Years ago I invented a term that you will see here on occasion: FRAK, simply FrontRunnerAssKisser. Guys that jump on the bandwagon of teams that win instead of really being loyal to you home town team.
To paraphrase Marcellus Wallace: Fuck FRAKS.
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@everlastingxxx said:
A question to those that have seen the build up to the other 20 quarterbacks. Does this feel any different? Is there any clue that you can sense that gives you slightly more hope?
For me its hard to tell, I am always optimistic with our new qb, even if I didn't want them to be drafted in the first place (Quinn, weeden, JF). I think we all try to be optimistic but have our doubt's. As far as the way the coaches have handled it I think this is the best handling of the situation we could have had and by far the best since we have been back.
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@everlastingxxx said:
A question to those that have seen the build up to the other 20 quarterbacks. Does this feel any different? Is there any clue that you can sense that gives you slightly more hope?
Build up? There wasn't a build up anything like JFF, but then again, we didn't get a million manzielots with the other QB's either.....
In the past and unlike this year, there wasn;t an acceptable starter in place, so we rushed them in without time for the build up./
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And railing in threads in an obscure Browns forum will not bring recognition...
Call it even... move on...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
What did I say that's wrong?
I was just busting your chops and realized it was a stupid post after I put it up. Hence the deletion. Sorry.
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And railing in threads in an obscure Browns forum will not bring recognition...
Call it even... move on...
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@everlastingxxx said:
A question to those that have seen the build up to the other 20 quarterbacks. Does this feel any different? Is there any clue that you can sense that gives you slightly more hope?
Great questions...
It is different, but probably not in the way for which you were looking... not in my case anyway.
For the most part through the 20 we were looking for a miracle, a savior. The team was so bad that the next QB was virtually doomed to fail before he began. There were a couple respites (a year or two under Butch and one under Mangini), but this was the circumstance most of the time.
With the growth we have seen in the team this year, I am still looking for "first-do-no-harm", QB competence like that which got this team to 6-3. This is not what you expect from rookie QB's in general let alone an exciting, college-hero QB.
In the BUF game, I saw the college-hero QB. While I understand it was in a situation that called for heroism, it did nothing to assure me JM can dial down his game.
So I think what I am "hoping for" differs at least from what you and other... ahem... "shorter-term, Browns fans" are hoping for...
Ask me again at halftime on Sunday...
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We call them DumbAss Texan fans. Because, well, they ARE from Texas.....and also because they were too dumb to come up with an original name. I mean, what is a Texan.....just some that lives within the confines of certain boundaries. It would have been as silly as saying the "Cleveland Ohioans"....or some such.
Nah but Houstonianswere just too apathetic. When the Oilers announced that they were leaving maybe 100 people showed up downtown to protest but what did Cleveland do to Model! Sued his ass - you can't take the name, you can't take the colors - you can't take shit ahd we'll try to stop you from taking the team.
McNair,even though he is a great man, has no originality. The Texans name stems from the Dallas team that Lamar Hunt moved to KC and re-names it the Chiefs. I would have purchased the Oilers name from Bud Adams and the colors. It could have been Luv Ya Blue round 2.
BTW, not dumb. I'll bet you're bundled up in Wadsworth right now while I'm sitting outside in shorts and a t-shirt posting on my laptop. Ain't nothing like 70's on Dec 11.
Nah but Houstonianswere just too apathetic. When the Oilers announced that they were leaving maybe 100 people showed up downtown to protest but what did Cleveland do to Model! Sued his ass - you can't take the name, you can't take the colors - you can't take shit ahd we'll try to stop you from taking the team.
Houston didn't have the legal recourse that Cleveland did with its lease deal. Despite all of our protests to the moon and back, if it were not for the order issued by the court requiring specific performance of the lease agreement....Modell could have just skulked away the way Adams and Irsay did.
McNair,even though he is a great man, has no originality. The Texans name stems from the Dallas team that Lamar Hunt moved to KC and re-names it the Chiefs. I would have purchased the Oilers name from Bud Adams and the colors. It could have been Luv Ya Blue round 2.
I believe there was an effort to do so....either Adams would not sell it at any price or the price he put on the name was so exhorbitant that it could not be done. Funny that a greedy man like him would not entertain any reasonable offers
BTW, not dumb. I'll bet you're bundled up in Wadsworth right now while I'm sitting outside in shorts and a t-shirt posting on my laptop. Ain't nothing like 70's on Dec 11.
A summer there in your sweltering shithole is worse than a winter here.
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Why am I not surprised?
Gip, sorry, but I could give two shits whether the NFL ever acknowledges the AAFC records of a great team in an inferior league.
Go (future) Browns...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I cannot wait. Whether you like JFF or not he will put asses in the seats. More people will probably watch this game than any Browns game this year.
You're damn right more people will. I don't know a single Cleveland Browns fan in person and never have, but I know more people who are interested in this game than any other this weekend (Minus Pats/Dolphins of course...)
You're damn right more people will. I don't know a single Cleveland Browns fan in person and never have, but I know more people who are interested in this game than any other this weekend (Minus Pats/Dolphins of course...)
I don't know a single Patriots fan and never have.
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Seriously, take a gander at this site if you're interested- http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/forums/patsfans-com-patriots-fan-forum.10/
The amount of bickering, bitching and idiocracy has driven me from it and I used to love posting there. I've been logging on here instead the past two days.
Seriously, take a gander at this site if you're interested- http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/forums/patsfans-com-patriots-fan-forum.10/
The amount of bickering, bitching and idiocracy has driven me from it and I used to love posting there. I've been logging on here instead the past two days.
We deal with this regular with Pittsburgh fans. But, once Tom Brady retires the arrogance will go out of them...and they will be the irrelevent team that they were for the first 40 years of their existance. (though their 40 years wasn't as bad as the Steelers first 40 years)
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We call them DumbAss Texan fans. Because, well, they ARE from Texas.....and also because they were too dumb to come up with an original name. I mean, what is a Texan.....just some that lives within the confines of certain boundaries. It would have been as silly as saying the "Cleveland Ohioans"....or some such.
Nah but Houstonianswere just too apathetic. When the Oilers announced that they were leaving maybe 100 people showed up downtown to protest but what did Cleveland do to Model! Sued his ass - you can't take the name, you can't take the colors - you can't take shit ahd we'll try to stop you from taking the team.
McNair,even though he is a great man, has no originality. The Texans name stems from the Dallas team that Lamar Hunt moved to KC and re-names it the Chiefs. I would have purchased the Oilers name from Bud Adams and the colors. It could have been Luv Ya Blue round 2.
BTW, not dumb. I'll bet you're bundled up in Wadsworth right now while I'm sitting outside in shorts and a t-shirt posting on my laptop. Ain't nothing like 70's on Dec 11.
BTW, not dumb. I'll bet you're bundled up in Wadsworth right now while I'm sitting outside in shorts and a t-shirt posting on my laptop. Ain't nothing like 70's on Dec 11.
Haha....I always laugh when folks act like hot, dusty, sweaty, nasty places are better because there isnt snow or cold.....
I'll take my winter....to be rewarded with glorious springs....perfectly tolerable(and GREEN) summers......beautiful, cool falls......all topped by a blanket of white for christmas.....
My bro lives in Tucson, the ugliest and most hostile environment Ive ever been in.....I wouldn't last a week there.....
And I visit Texas & Oklahoma about 5-6 times a year and wouldn't trade for a day.....or an hour....
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And still... Fuck Ft Wayne
So, why the Ft. Wayne hate?
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BTW, not dumb. I'll bet you're bundled up in Wadsworth right now while I'm sitting outside in shorts and a t-shirt posting on my laptop. Ain't nothing like 70's on Dec 11.
Haha....I always laugh when folks act like hot, dusty, sweaty, nasty places are better because there isnt snow or cold.....
I'll take my winter....to be rewarded with glorious springs....perfectly tolerable(and GREEN) summers......beautiful, cool falls......all topped by a blanket of white for christmas.....
My bro lives in Tucson, the ugliest and most hostile environment Ive ever been in.....I wouldn't last a week there.....
And I visit Texas & Oklahoma about 5-6 times a year and wouldn't trade for a day.....or an hour....
Haha....I always laugh when folks act like hot, dusty, sweaty, nasty places are better because there isnt snow or cold.....
I'll take my winter....to be rewarded with glorious springs....perfectly tolerable(and GREEN) summers......beautiful, cool falls......all topped by a blanket of white for christmas.....
My bro lives in Tucson, the ugliest and most hostile environment Ive ever been in.....I wouldn't last a week there.....
And I visit Texas & Oklahoma about 5-6 times a year and wouldn't trade for a day.....or an hour....
Well, to be honest, that has been my attitude too......but now that I am the age I am dealing with ice where you have to walk...and snow is becoming a problem. Plus I am starting to get some of those little tweeking pains from the cold...so I could see leaving the cold weather. But where would be the best place to go? I hate humid sweltering heat.....like Fla/Louisiana/ parts of Texas. San Diego and other parts of California might be great weather wise....but the traffic/cost of living etc. seem intolerable. Arizona is a possibility....but not Tuscon or Phoenix.....north toward Prescott or Sedona might be good. Flagstaff is too far north as they get a ton of snow there.
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Seriously, take a gander at this site if you're interested- http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/forums/patsfans-com-patriots-fan-forum.10/
The amount of bickering, bitching and idiocracy has driven me from it and I used to love posting there. I've been logging on here instead the past two days.
We deal with this regular with Pittsburgh fans. But, once Tom Brady retires the arrogance will go out of them...and they will be the irrelevent team that they were for the first 40 years of their existance. (though their 40 years wasn't as bad as the Steelers first 40 years)
We deal with this regular with Pittsburgh fans. But, once Tom Brady retires the arrogance will go out of them...and they will be the irrelevent team that they were for the first 40 years of their existance. (though their 40 years wasn't as bad as the Steelers first 40 years)
I don't think its Tom Brady that gives New England fans this arrogance- even for all the years the Red Sox and Patriots weren't great, New England fans are typically arrogant jackasses who can only respond to disagreement by insisting that they are right. Also I don't think the Pats will necessarily be a bad team again just because Brady retires. If they let Jimmy G. learn behind Brady for a few years I could see him being a decent franchise quarterback. He is a FAR better backup skill-set wise than Mallet and Hoyer ever were (though you guys know all too well about the latter)
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Why am I not surprised?
Gip, sorry, but I could give two shits whether the NFL ever acknowledges the AAFC records of a great team in an inferior league.
Go (future) Browns...
Why am I not surprised?
Gip, sorry, but I could give two shits whether the NFL ever acknowledges the AAFC records of a great team in an inferior league.
Go (future) Browns...
Except.....note....the AAFC was not the inferior league. For reasons I state earlier. The Browns just became too dominant for it.
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