***Official Browns Vs. Bengals Game Day Thread***
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Anyone hear anything about the seriousness of Haden's injury?
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@everlastingxxx said:
Judge the game instead of pushing an agenda.
Lol, I think that's valid for politics as well as football. ..
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@everlastingxxx said:
People who judge a Qbs career after one start are morons and have no football knowledge. Judge the game instead of pushing an agenda.
Johnny's career was judged before he started. He simply solidified the notion for many of us.
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@everlastingxxx said:
People who judge a Qbs career after one start are morons and have no football knowledge. Judge the game instead of pushing an agenda.
Please....dont get overly offended(knew you would).....no ones judging his career, that wasn't already doing it before the game....
Agendas get pushed.....like how bad the D was today, right?....
Just remember the best D cant win with Zero points on the score board....
The whole world has waited for this day(right?....THE BIG DAY?)...so OF COURSE we're gonna discuss it....JOHNNY....
And, unfortunately, he was terrible and did many of the "negative" things people were worried about.....so, it's gonna get discussed....and pointed out because thats how it goes....if you cant stand to read it, then step away.....
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@everlastingxxx said:
People who judge a Qbs career after one start are morons and have no football knowledge. Judge the game instead of pushing an agenda.
I don't think anyone on here is "pushing an agenda"
Coming into the season there were questions by NFL experts as to Manziel's arm strength and his ability to manage a pro offense given A&M's offense is simple.
In preseason a decent job by Manziel would've won him the starting job. After week 9 Hoyer started going in the toilet but they kept him because the coaches, who see these guys practice, thought Brian gave them the best shot to win. After last week the team went into "let's see what we got" mode. Today isn't Manziel's entire career but it sums up what we already know, he misses throws, floats throws, doesn't read the defenses and would rather run than stay in the pocket.
I hope he gets better because unless he gets hurt, or Farmer has an extreme change of heart, we've got him for at least 12 more games.
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Think I'm going to take a break from football. This shit is getting old.
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Think I'm going to take a break from football. This shit is getting old.
Think I'm going to take a break from football. This shit is getting old.
Don't stop now, it's been this way since 1999 with the exception of 2 years
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Think I'm going to take a break from football. This shit is getting old.
Don't stop now, it's been this way since 1999 with the exception of 2 years
Don't stop now, it's been this way since 1999 with the exception of 2 years
Been watching a lot longer then 1999 my friend.
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Don't stop now, it's been this way since 1999 with the exception of 2 years
Been watching a lot longer then 1999 my friend.
Been watching a lot longer then 1999 my friend.
Yeah but before the move we had some good years.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Aikmans first start 17-35, 2 interceptions 180 yards. Cowboys lost 28-0.
Just saying...
Johnny is not Troy
Just saying...
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@everlastingxxx said:
People who judge a Qbs career after one start are morons and have no football knowledge. Judge the game instead of pushing an agenda.
As was said in the Tavern... just judging one game at a time.
There will be more to judge and odds are/ pray God, they will be better showings.
@everlastingxxx said:
Aikmans first start 17-35, 2 interceptions 180 yards. Cowboys lost 28-0.
Just saying...
Gee whiz. You're right. Makes us feel so fucking much better we think we'll put on a show in the barn...
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One thing to consider is he didn't get many chances to do anything because Cincy controlled the ball for much of the game. 18 passes and 5 runs is hardly a good sample size, especially considering all the other factors (first game, terrible play by most everybody, playoff atmosphere, and the Bengals playing great). If we are talking about this game and maybe the next two, yeah, it isn't looking so great. But you can hardly say one way or another what this means for the rest of his career. Sure, even I am less optimistic but just barely so. If he plays well next week a lot of this goes away.
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One thing to consider is he didn't get many chances to do anything because Cincy controlled the ball for much of the game. 18 passes and 5 runs is hardly a good sample size, especially considering all the other factors (first game, terrible play by most everybody, playoff atmosphere, and the Bengals playing great). If we are talking about this game and maybe the next two, yeah, it isn't looking so great. But you can hardly say one way or another what this means for the rest of his career. Sure, even I am less optimistic but just barely so. If he plays well next week a lot of this goes away.
. If he plays well next week a lot of this goes away.
Precisely.....so no need for folks to get ruffled when we point out the obvious flaws.....it's part of the game.....
Good take Kevin
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One thing to consider is he didn't get many chances to do anything because Cincy controlled the ball for much of the game. 18 passes and 5 runs is hardly a good sample size, especially considering all the other factors (first game, terrible play by most everybody, playoff atmosphere, and the Bengals playing great). If we are talking about this game and maybe the next two, yeah, it isn't looking so great. But you can hardly say one way or another what this means for the rest of his career. Sure, even I am less optimistic but just barely so. If he plays well next week a lot of this goes away.
One thing to consider is he didn't get many chances to do anything because Cincy controlled the ball for much of the game. 18 passes and 5 runs is hardly a good sample size, especially considering all the other factors (first game, terrible play by most everybody, playoff atmosphere, and the Bengals playing great). If we are talking about this game and maybe the next two, yeah, it isn't looking so great. But you can hardly say one way or another what this means for the rest of his career. Sure, even I am less optimistic but just barely so. If he plays well next week a lot of this goes away.
You comment on the TOP imbalance as if JM had no role in that. Convert a 3rd down... make a play... and you get to keep the ball.
This was a far worse showing than even I, a Manziel skeptic, saw coming.
I could not imagine the gap between your lofty expectations and this pure shit showing... could not anyway until I saw what has come out of your now wide open rationalization spigot.
More still in the pipeline?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
JFF gonna wreck this league.
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One thing to consider is he didn't get many chances to do anything because Cincy controlled the ball for much of the game. 18 passes and 5 runs is hardly a good sample size, especially considering all the other factors (first game, terrible play by most everybody, playoff atmosphere, and the Bengals playing great). If we are talking about this game and maybe the next two, yeah, it isn't looking so great. But you can hardly say one way or another what this means for the rest of his career. Sure, even I am less optimistic but just barely so. If he plays well next week a lot of this goes away.
You comment on the TOP imbalance as if JM had no role in that. Convert a 3rd down... make a play... and you get to keep the ball.
This was a far worse showing than even I, a Manziel skeptic, saw coming.
I could not imagine the gap between your lofty expectations and this pure shit showing... could not anyway until I saw what has come out of your now wide open rationalization spigot.
More still in the pipeline?
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Let me throw a big "what if" scenario out there.
What if JF looks like a steaming pile of shit for the next 2 games.
Does Farmer start thinking about drafting a QB in next year's draft?
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Let me throw a big "what if" scenario out there.
What if JF looks like a steaming pile of shit for the next 2 games.
Does Farmer start thinking about drafting a QB in next year's draft?
Let me throw a big "what if" scenario out there.
What if JF looks like a steaming pile of shit for the next 2 games.
Does Farmer start thinking about drafting a QB in next year's draft?
Who? We are way down the totem pole for number one pick.
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Let me throw a big "what if" scenario out there.
What if JF looks like a steaming pile of shit for the next 2 games.
Does Farmer start thinking about drafting a QB in next year's draft?
Who? We are way down the totem pole for number one pick.
Who? We are way down the totem pole for number one pick.
Well we do have two number one picks.
And would it have to be a number one pick?
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Let me throw a big "what if" scenario out there.
What if JF looks like a steaming pile of shit for the next 2 games.
Does Farmer start thinking about drafting a QB in next year's draft?
Does Farmer start thinking about drafting a QB in next year's draft?
Only if we have the 22nd pick......
Maybe Winston will free fall.....imagine him and Johnny in the same locker room....where would we fit all the reporters??
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