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  • TypicalBrowns TypicalBrownsT
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    TypicalBrownsT TypicalBrowns wrote on last edited by
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    Just hate how emotionless and sterile we were

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      A Andruw u wrote on last edited by
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      Somehow the Mingo penalty and Hawkins drop took everything out of everyone (JFF, defense, everyone). We had nothing, it was entirely pointless, after that. In that sense, it's more dejecting than last week. At least there was a lot good to build on from the Colts game.

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        L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by
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        There's still lots to build on. Today was horrible but we've had injuries all year including Haden today.

        Next man up has been admirable but there comes a point when the players on the field just aren't good enough. Seymour today was a joke he could barely snap it properly.

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          Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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          Our Qb was a ridiculous gimmicky fuckwad.

          Funny how Manning and Brady dont ever lose games in the trenches. This team needs a fucking qb. They were 7-6 with a decent one who played horribley for four weeks.

          Z

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            BrownsFeverB BrownsFever wrote on last edited by
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            ^We got 7 wins this season. We got 4 wins last season. That to me is an improvement. Still plenty of room for more improvement. Everybody needs to stop bitching. The Browns aren't the Patriots.

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              Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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              The Browns arent the Patriots because they have one of the greatest QBs of all time and we have a midget gimmick and a mediocre everyman. Otherwise, the Browns are the Patriots.

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              • L LondonBrown

                There's still lots to build on. Today was horrible but we've had injuries all year including Haden today.

                Next man up has been admirable but there comes a point when the players on the field just aren't good enough. Seymour today was a joke he could barely snap it properly.

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                Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                @londonbrown said:

                Next man up has been admirable but there comes a point when the players on the field just aren't good enough. Seymour today was a joke he could barely snap it properly.

                Incisive...

                I've already posted about how much I saw Kitchen next to Poa today. Says something right there...

                On O... yeah Seymore looked lost. Folks penetrating to the left and right of him throughout the game... and untouched at that.

                Not like it hasn't happened before, but frequency today made me wonder if JM's insertion changed the way line calls were being made. I'd love to see that question asked.

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                  Our Qb was a ridiculous gimmicky fuckwad.

                  Funny how Manning and Brady dont ever lose games in the trenches. This team needs a fucking qb. They were 7-6 with a decent one who played horribley for four weeks.

                  Z

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                  thenew23T thenew23 wrote on last edited by
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                  Zombo said:

                  Our Qb was a ridiculous gimmicky fuckwad.

                  Funny how Manning and Brady dont ever lose games in the trenches. This team needs a fucking qb. They were 7-6 with a decent one who played horribley for four weeks.

                  Z

                  Kinda harsh considering it was his first start...

                  I'm not a Manziel apologist because I never wanted him on this team in the first place, but I still think he can turn out okay... just based on his talent...

                  #Justsayin'
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                    Zombo said:

                    Our Qb was a ridiculous gimmicky fuckwad.

                    Funny how Manning and Brady dont ever lose games in the trenches. This team needs a fucking qb. They were 7-6 with a decent one who played horribley for four weeks.

                    Z

                    Kinda harsh considering it was his first start...

                    I'm not a Manziel apologist because I never wanted him on this team in the first place, but I still think he can turn out okay... just based on his talent...

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                    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                    @thenew23 said:

                    Kinda harsh considering it was his first start...

                    I'm not a Manziel apologist because I never wanted him on this team in the first place, but I still think he can turn out okay... just based on his talent...

                    I ask people what talent is that they refer to. The common response is his running ability. The absolute last thing important to a successful NFL QB.

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                      @thenew23 said:

                      Kinda harsh considering it was his first start...

                      I'm not a Manziel apologist because I never wanted him on this team in the first place, but I still think he can turn out okay... just based on his talent...

                      I ask people what talent is that they refer to. The common response is his running ability. The absolute last thing important to a successful NFL QB.

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                      MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by Mudfly
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                      @tiamat63 said:

                      I ask people what talent is that they refer to. The common response is his running ability. The absolute last thing important to a successful NFL QB.

                      Just the other day we were talking about how he'd scramble too soon then just throw ill advised passes up for grabs.....which was met with the insistence that that just doesn't happen.....in fact, only 4 or 5 times in college(presumably)......though I saw it almost 5 times today.....

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                        @tiamat63 said:

                        I ask people what talent is that they refer to. The common response is his running ability. The absolute last thing important to a successful NFL QB.

                        Just the other day we were talking about how he'd scramble too soon then just throw ill advised passes up for grabs.....which was met with the insistence that that just doesn't happen.....in fact, only 4 or 5 times in college(presumably)......though I saw it almost 5 times today.....

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                        tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                        @mudfly said:

                        Just the other day we were talking about how he'd scramble too soon then just throw ill advised passes up for grabs.....which was met with the insistence that that just doesn't happen.....in fact, only 4 or 5 times in college(presumably)......though I saw it almost 5 times today.....

                        Mike Evans bailed out many a ill-advised throws. Very similar to Samarjdza and Stovalt bailing out Quinn at Notre Dame.

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                          Zombo said:

                          Our Qb was a ridiculous gimmicky fuckwad.

                          Funny how Manning and Brady dont ever lose games in the trenches. This team needs a fucking qb. They were 7-6 with a decent one who played horribley for four weeks.

                          Z

                          Kinda harsh considering it was his first start...

                          I'm not a Manziel apologist because I never wanted him on this team in the first place, but I still think he can turn out okay... just based on his talent...

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                          jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by jcam222
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                          @thenew23 said:

                          Kinda harsh considering it was his first start...

                          I'm not a Manziel apologist because I never wanted him on this team in the first place, but I still think he can turn out okay... just based on his talent...

                          I saw zero NFL level talent out of him today. That forced circus throw into the end zone for an INT is exactly what I expected. He better quickly realize that circus monkey act won't work here. He also showed very little ability to utilize his mobility. If I were Haslam I would be very concerned with the prodigy I forced Pettine to draft.
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                            @thenew23 said:

                            Kinda harsh considering it was his first start...

                            I'm not a Manziel apologist because I never wanted him on this team in the first place, but I still think he can turn out okay... just based on his talent...

                            I ask people what talent is that they refer to. The common response is his running ability. The absolute last thing important to a successful NFL QB.

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                            thenew23T thenew23 wrote on last edited by
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                            @tiamat63 said:

                            I ask people what talent is that they refer to. The common response is his running ability. The absolute last thing important to a successful NFL QB.

                            Mobility, Extending plays, Keeping eyes down-field when he's outside the pocket, Arm strength, Throwing on the run

                            These are all great qualities for him. Obviously, he just didn't show much of them today...

                            I think he'll get better... Is he our next franchise QB? I doubt it...

                            #Justsayin'
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                              T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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                              There were no trenchmen today. Massive desertion both sides of the ball. But lets just blame it on the rookie QB that before the game most knowledgeable fans here thought would need a lot of defensive and offensive help to win his first game. He got 0 from either today. I think some of you have a short memory. Tell me exactly what happened to Manning in the Superbowl last year when he had massive desertion in the trenches both sides of the ball.

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                                There were no trenchmen today. Massive desertion both sides of the ball. But lets just blame it on the rookie QB that before the game most knowledgeable fans here thought would need a lot of defensive and offensive help to win his first game. He got 0 from either today. I think some of you have a short memory. Tell me exactly what happened to Manning in the Superbowl last year when he had massive desertion in the trenches both sides of the ball.

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                                tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                                @texasag1969 said:

                                There were no trenchmen today. Massive desertion both sides of the ball. But lets just blame it on the rookie QB that before the game most knowledgeable fans here thought would need a lot of defensive and offensive help to win his first game. He got 0 from either today.

                                I expected this to be a common excuse. "They didn't play for Johhny boy!!!!, Waahhhhhhh"

                                This is the same fucking line Hoyer played with most of the season folks.

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                                  @texasag1969 said:

                                  There were no trenchmen today. Massive desertion both sides of the ball. But lets just blame it on the rookie QB that before the game most knowledgeable fans here thought would need a lot of defensive and offensive help to win his first game. He got 0 from either today.

                                  I expected this to be a common excuse. "They didn't play for Johhny boy!!!!, Waahhhhhhh"

                                  This is the same fucking line Hoyer played with most of the season folks.

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                                  @tiamat63 said:

                                  I expected this to be a common excuse. "They didn't play for Johhny boy!!!!, Waahhhhhhh"

                                  This is the same fucking line Hoyer played with most of the season folks.

                                  I call bs. Last week was one of the most dominating defensive efforts from any team in the NFL all season. Where was that team?

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                                    @tiamat63 said:

                                    I ask people what talent is that they refer to. The common response is his running ability. The absolute last thing important to a successful NFL QB.

                                    Mobility, Extending plays, Keeping eyes down-field when he's outside the pocket, Arm strength, Throwing on the run

                                    These are all great qualities for him. Obviously, he just didn't show much of them today...

                                    I think he'll get better... Is he our next franchise QB? I doubt it...

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                                    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                                    @thenew23 said:

                                    Mobility, Extending plays, Keeping eyes down-field when he's outside the pocket, Arm strength, Throwing on the run

                                    These are all great qualities for him. Obviously, he just didn't show much of them today...

                                    I think he'll get better... Is he our next franchise QB? I doubt it...

                                    1st and 2nd mean little to an NFL QB. Keeping eyes downfield is nice. Arm Strength? Slightly above average. Throwing on the run he was never the most accurate, he was just able to make some awkward throws and receivers would fight for their QB.

                                    What he lacks? Accuracy, anticipation, poise, internal clock, decisive and quick decisions.

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                                      Zombo said:

                                      Our Qb was a ridiculous gimmicky fuckwad.

                                      Funny how Manning and Brady dont ever lose games in the trenches. This team needs a fucking qb. They were 7-6 with a decent one who played horribley for four weeks.

                                      Z

                                      Kinda harsh considering it was his first start...

                                      I'm not a Manziel apologist because I never wanted him on this team in the first place, but I still think he can turn out okay... just based on his talent...

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                                      Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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                                      @thenew23 said:

                                      Kinda harsh considering it was his first start...

                                      I'm not a Manziel apologist because I never wanted him on this team in the first place, but I still think he can turn out okay... just based on his talent...

                                      He's a midget with gimmicks. Please.

                                      Zombo

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                                        @texasag1969 said:

                                        There were no trenchmen today. Massive desertion both sides of the ball. But lets just blame it on the rookie QB that before the game most knowledgeable fans here thought would need a lot of defensive and offensive help to win his first game. He got 0 from either today.

                                        I expected this to be a common excuse. "They didn't play for Johhny boy!!!!, Waahhhhhhh"

                                        This is the same fucking line Hoyer played with most of the season folks.

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                                        @tiamat63 said:

                                        I expected this to be a common excuse. "They didn't play for Johhny boy!!!!, Waahhhhhhh"

                                        I thought his teammates loved ...would run through walls for him ......So, if the "team" laid down on him....why?

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                                          @thenew23 said:

                                          Kinda harsh considering it was his first start...

                                          I'm not a Manziel apologist because I never wanted him on this team in the first place, but I still think he can turn out okay... just based on his talent...

                                          He's a midget with gimmicks. Please.

                                          Zombo

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                                          MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                                          Zombo said:

                                          He's a midget with gimmicks. Please.

                                          Zombo

                                          a midgmick???

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