PFT on Quinn
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From the sounds of it the FO is pretty ambivilent on BOTH Quinn and Anderson - and there's certainly the chance that NEITHER is the answer....
So if that's the case why not send signals that EITHER would be available to be traded and see what types of conversations that brings from other teams, with the team trading whichever QB gets them the most value in return.
It's not a great situation to be in period - but if that's truly how they feel, that's not a bad way to play the bad cards you're dealt with. Unfortunately the draft doesn't look all that strong at QB - but a team can certainly get lucky with a later round QB choice too.
From the sounds of it the FO is pretty ambivilent on BOTH Quinn and Anderson
It's a ploy, man. Mangini must've learned it in Trading Players 101, because it's transparent as hell. I hope it isn't too transparent, or nobody's gonna offer anything...
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tim, I have stated BQ should be given a chance to prove one way or another so we at least know what we have. This concept of qb rating as a overall grade of DA is ridiculous, you would not want to hold BQ toward that measuring stick. His overall qb rating was virtually the same as DA's against the worst defenses in the nfl this means virtually nothing. The team and coaching schemes have so much influence on these statistics to use as a significant tool to assess anything.
all of this rumour from the media is just that rumour. they know as much or less than they did last year and were clearly wrong last year and in all likelyhood wrong this year.
How many of the same people on this board last year pushed all the same rumours last year about DA going to traded/released never resigned etc? quoting the same media sources? Whats the best is Free agency releases to free cap space has pretty much already happened league wide and most teams are in combine assessment mode. obviously there will be many more moves but a new regime who has never got to actually work with either qb is going to dump or trade before they even have a chance to physically assess for themselves?
makes perfect sense. trade at least a good backup if not starter of young talent for possible talent in the draft in qb starved league because they dont have to financially or contractually.. All because the 1st rounder played a mediocre 3 games against garbage defensive teams and a poor preseason. DA may not be the answer but the kid showed glimpses of talent against the Giants and a 10 win season in 07, IF that was Quinn his fans would be ecstatic. The rest would be dismissed as being young and a learning/development curve... but its not, its a doofy laid back looking guy who was practice squad material in Baltimore drafted in the 6th rouns without any media circus hype.
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I don't know man. QB rating is widely regarded as a good measuring stick. There's only one thing which can out weigh it, and that's wins. However, interceptions sabotage QB ratings and wins, as evidenced by our 4 and 12 season.
If we didn't have Quinn, I think I'd be in favor of giving DA another shot based on his pro bowl year. I still think he has strengths. He has a cannon, he is a lineman's best friend as he doesn't mess around in the pocket, he's a team guy, affable, etc. However, the '08 season is more consistent with his life long pattern of high interceptions and therefore rings true this will be his pattern in the future.
Quinn has shown glimpses of excellence as well. His pocket presence is better, he can pick up yards with his feet, his first TD pass to K2 was very athletic. Let's see what the kid has when given the reigns, with a starter level snaps in training camp and preseason. All last year he emulated the other teams offense. Not exactly a good way to gel with the first team.
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Let me be the perspective guy here:
Quinn is a first-round pick an hasn't gotten any legitimate chance to play yet.
Can anyone name me the last first round pick by any team who never played any meaningful games and was traded? Let's qualify it further to, say, in the last 5 years.
Unless Quinn is the biggest bust of all time, he needs to play for us to determine his worth. That should happen this year.
If he needs to earn it, fine, let him earn it and make him compete with someone else.
But that someone else shouldn't be DA and it's for two reasons.
1. He's got way too much baggage in Cleveland now. It was fine when he had no expectations on him and nobody cared how he did but now that everyone is gunning for him, I just don't see how he survives that. Nothing in his history suggests he's the chip-on-the-shoulder kind of guy. Rather, history shows that he's more likely to fold than to rise to the challenge.
2. He has much more trade value now than he will later. We already missed the boat on trading him once. Can we afford to do it again? Say we bring him back and let him compete with Quinn and ManKok chooses Quinn and DA is finally and officially relegated to the bench. What is his value then? And are we willing to risk that scenario?
We should take nothing ManKok says at face value until training camp. Until then, everything is speculation EXCEPT the fact that DA's trade value will never be higher than this offseason.
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The fact that we are debating a PFT talk article makes us all the much dumber. Florio hates the Browns and makes it a point to bad mouth them a few times a month. This is a media smoke screen. They are trying to raise DAs value.
AGAIN...PFT is terrible. We should have this thread locked...
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Let me be the perspective guy here:
Quinn is a first-round pick an hasn't gotten any legitimate chance to play yet.
Can anyone name me the last first round pick by any team who never played any meaningful games and was traded? Let's qualify it further to, say, in the last 5 years.
Unless Quinn is the biggest bust of all time, he needs to play for us to determine his worth. That should happen this year.
If he needs to earn it, fine, let him earn it and make him compete with someone else.
But that someone else shouldn't be DA and it's for two reasons.
1. He's got way too much baggage in Cleveland now. It was fine when he had no expectations on him and nobody cared how he did but now that everyone is gunning for him, I just don't see how he survives that. Nothing in his history suggests he's the chip-on-the-shoulder kind of guy. Rather, history shows that he's more likely to fold than to rise to the challenge.
2. He has much more trade value now than he will later. We already missed the boat on trading him once. Can we afford to do it again? Say we bring him back and let him compete with Quinn and ManKok chooses Quinn and DA is finally and officially relegated to the bench. What is his value then? And are we willing to risk that scenario?
We should take nothing ManKok says at face value until training camp. Until then, everything is speculation EXCEPT the fact that DA's trade value will never be higher than this offseason.
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@shepwrite said:
Taylor called bullshit on the article... and he's affiliated with PFT, so that's serious.Johnny Cakes Taylor has never reported anything other than Quinn = god for the past 2 years.
But it hasn't turned out that way.
Johnny Cakes Taylor is nothing more than a Quinn Fag.
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Here's the real story, direct from Anderson.
Nobody knows what's going to happen...
"We really don't know what will happen at this point!" Anderson said Wednesday via email. "I'm under contract for two more seasons in Cleveland and I owe them my full attention as long as I am a Cleveland Brown."
http://blog.oregonlive.com/nfl/2009/02/new..._might_not.html
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Here's the real story, direct from Anderson.
Nobody knows what's going to happen...
"We really don't know what will happen at this point!" Anderson said Wednesday via email. "I'm under contract for two more seasons in Cleveland and I owe them my full attention as long as I am a Cleveland Brown."
http://blog.oregonlive.com/nfl/2009/02/new..._might_not.html
Here's the real story, direct from Anderson.
Nobody knows what's going to happen...
"We really don't know what will happen at this point!" Anderson said Wednesday via email. "I'm under contract for two more seasons in Cleveland and I owe them my full attention as long as I am a Cleveland Brown."
http://blog.oregonlive.com/nfl/2009/02/new..._might_not.html
so! your lover has your email address!
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@shepwrite said:
Taylor called bullshit on the article... and he's affiliated with PFT, so that's serious.Johnny Cakes Taylor has never reported anything other than Quinn = god for the past 2 years.
But it hasn't turned out that way.
Johnny Cakes Taylor is nothing more than a Quinn Fag.
Johnny Cakes Taylor has never reported anything other than Quinn = god for the past 2 years.
But it hasn't turned out that way.
Johnny Cakes Taylor is nothing more than a Quinn Fag.
The world is chock full of Queen fags my friend. There's 3 billion Chinese that worship at the altar of the Queen.
Bunch of homos I tells ya.
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@shepwrite said:
I'll say this for the 100th time: If Anderson beats out Quinn in a legit competition, he deserves the job.He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
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@shepwrite said:
I'll say this for the 100th time: If Anderson beats out Quinn in a legit competition, he deserves the job.He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
And look how he performed, dipshit.
That's exactly what he's saying. If Quinn is not good enough to beat Anderson in an open competition, we're xxxxed anyway.
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And Lum, here's why you have little street cred here.
From your posts, DA has no negatives and BQ has no positives.
Fanboys like you always take it on the chin in the forum world.
Most, if not all, of the pro-Quinn crowd here feels the same about these two points.
1. DA had his chance
2. BQ deserves a chance
It's not that DA is all bad or that Quinn is all good.
I agree nobody really knows what's going to happen. There are stranger things in life than starting QB quandries.
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@shepwrite said:
I'll say this for the 100th time: If Anderson beats out Quinn in a legit competition, he deserves the job.He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.
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He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.
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Masters said:
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.My oh my how memories change.
AdaM said:
My oh my how memories change.There was no competition last year. DA was named the starter on Jan 10th long before even the draft.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...tart_quart.html
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Masters said:
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.My oh my how memories change.
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AdaM said:
My oh my how memories change.There was no competition last year. DA was named the starter on Jan 10th long before even the draft.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...tart_quart.html
There was no competition last year. DA was named the starter on Jan 10th long before even the draft.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...tart_quart.html
I am pretty sure AdaM was being sarcastic.
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Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
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Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
He doesn't have the mental capacity to find his way back, don't worry.
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