Rogers Unhappy?
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I love rogers the player but dont care for the 'big baby crap" and mangini cant tell me he didnt see rogers at the awards thats not even possible..if he wants out of cleveland we should be able to get a first round pick and part of his bonus covered in hindsight we should have tagged him...mankok claims they want to build from the draft so grab raji at #5 and matthews with rogers pick...trade emo butterfingers edwards for a low first and aquire a WR with it..this me first emo crap is a cancer and mankok needs to stamp it out at any cost...we arent going anywhere this year anyways so why not start to really rebuild a potential winner from this situation?
With FA starting friday and mankok moving "intentionally" in slow motion the best we will get from it is plug in scraps of cousins quality..
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I love rogers the player but dont care for the 'big baby crap" and mangini cant tell me he didnt see rogers at the awards thats not even possible..if he wants out of cleveland we should be able to get a first round pick and part of his bonus covered in hindsight we should have tagged him...mankok claims they want to build from the draft so grab raji at #5 and matthews with rogers pick...trade emo butterfingers edwards for a low first and aquire a WR with it..this me first emo crap is a cancer and mankok needs to stamp it out at any cost...we arent going anywhere this year anyways so why not start to really rebuild a potential winner from this situation?
With FA starting friday and mankok moving "intentionally" in slow motion the best we will get from it is plug in scraps of cousins quality..
I love rogers the player but dont care for the 'big baby crap" and mangini cant tell me he didnt see rogers at the awards thats not even possible..if he wants out of cleveland we should be able to get a first round pick and part of his bonus covered in hindsight we should have tagged him...mankok claims they want to build from the draft so grab raji at #5 and matthews with rogers pick...trade emo butterfingers edwards for a low first and aquire a WR with it..this me first emo crap is a cancer and mankok needs to stamp it out at any cost...we arent going anywhere this year anyways so why not start to really rebuild a potential winner from this situation?
With FA starting friday and mankok moving "intentionally" in slow motion the best we will get from it is plug in scraps of cousins quality..
Why would we tag Rogers, he's under contract.
Edwards is really the only receiver we have. You can't just trade him and gamble on a rookie. I know you're frustrated but damn!
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I love rogers the player but dont care for the 'big baby crap" and mangini cant tell me he didnt see rogers at the awards thats not even possible..if he wants out of cleveland we should be able to get a first round pick and part of his bonus covered in hindsight we should have tagged him...mankok claims they want to build from the draft so grab raji at #5 and matthews with rogers pick...trade emo butterfingers edwards for a low first and aquire a WR with it..this me first emo crap is a cancer and mankok needs to stamp it out at any cost...we arent going anywhere this year anyways so why not start to really rebuild a potential winner from this situation?
With FA starting friday and mankok moving "intentionally" in slow motion the best we will get from it is plug in scraps of cousins quality..
Why would we tag Rogers, he's under contract.
Edwards is really the only receiver we have. You can't just trade him and gamble on a rookie. I know you're frustrated but damn!
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AdaM said:
Why would we tag Rogers, he's under contract.Edwards is really the only receiver we have. You can't just trade him and gamble on a rookie. I know you're frustrated but damn!
receivers catch footballs.....so what is edwards again?
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considering i didn't like this hire in the first place, mangini's gonna turn me into ghoolie if this is how his regime is gonna go. you can't piss off your best players in a domineering attempt to exert your authority and expect to have any success.
considering i didn't like this hire in the first place, mangini's gonna turn me into ghoolie if this is how his regime is gonna go. you can't piss off your best players in a domineering attempt to exert your authority and expect to have any success.
I get where you're coming from, JD, but didn't we WANT a coach who would "exert [his] authority" over our dysfunctional crew of me-first cry-babies?
And at the very first, relatively benign signal that Mangini is going to be the HEAD COACH and not the BEST FRIEND, now you're siding with the me-first crybabies?
Not me, man. I honestly do not give one rat's ace what any of the players thinks of Mangini and I'm sure he doesn't either.
Mangini's attitude seems to be "be a man and be a professional and take care of your business and we'll get along just fine." He doesn't seem to want to be any player's friend and he doesn't seem to care about the personal relationships AT THIS POINT. He may eventually care about the player's that get him and his program but he doesn't seem to prioritize ego over business.
Which, frankly, is my personal leadership style preference too. Expecting men to be men and not act like little girls is a plus in my book.
Rogers seems to be acting like a teenage girl who didn't get the attention she wanted from the cute new guy.
Except, he's a very large man crying about a smaller-but-still-large man not talking to him which is even girlier.
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considering i didn't like this hire in the first place, mangini's gonna turn me into ghoolie if this is how his regime is gonna go. you can't piss off your best players in a domineering attempt to exert your authority and expect to have any success.
considering i didn't like this hire in the first place, mangini's gonna turn me into ghoolie if this is how his regime is gonna go. you can't piss off your best players in a domineering attempt to exert your authority and expect to have any success.
Rodgers is one player out of 22 starters who played for one year in Cleveland. He can be pissed for all I care. He can quit. Really his attitude is not needed.
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I don't see this story on Espn, etc...
if it's true, I figure Rodgers wanted to play for a black head coach, and is po'd that
Crennel was fired.
Which, if that's true, would explain why Rodgers didn't go up to Mangini and introduce himself.
Mangini, to Rodgers, perhaps, is the wrong color?
Maybe Mangini can trade Rodgers to the Jets for their NT and a second round pick.
Or, this story isn't really legit and was made up by a reporter from Pittifulburg looking for drama.
My hunch is, Mangini would have been the bad guy to Rodgers, if the story is true, even if Mangini had gone
up to him and tried to have a great conversation.
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ditch his ass and pick up haynesworth!
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No doubt, get Haynesworth and say goodbye to this guy if that's what he wants. Just make sure you get value for him. The stupid ass media has just lowered his trade value for us.
Mangini is a d--k, there's no question. But we need to try our hand at this with a d--k in charge. We had a p-ssy in charge for the last 4 years and where did it get us?
I'd rather have a d--k running the team than a p--sy anyday. Who's with me!
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I don't see this story on Espn, etc...
if it's true, I figure Rodgers wanted to play for a black head coach, and is po'd that
Crennel was fired.
Which, if that's true, would explain why Rodgers didn't go up to Mangini and introduce himself.
Mangini, to Rodgers, perhaps, is the wrong color?
Maybe Mangini can trade Rodgers to the Jets for their NT and a second round pick.
Or, this story isn't really legit and was made up by a reporter from Pittifulburg looking for drama.
My hunch is, Mangini would have been the bad guy to Rodgers, if the story is true, even if Mangini had gone
up to him and tried to have a great conversation.
I don't see this story on Espn, etc...
if it's true, I figure Rodgers wanted to play for a black head coach, and is po'd that
Crennel was fired.
Which, if that's true, would explain why Rodgers didn't go up to Mangini and introduce himself.
Mangini, to Rodgers, perhaps, is the wrong color?
Maybe Mangini can trade Rodgers to the Jets for their NT and a second round pick.
Or, this story isn't really legit and was made up by a reporter from Pittifulburg looking for drama.
My hunch is, Mangini would have been the bad guy to Rodgers, if the story is true, even if Mangini had gone
up to him and tried to have a great conversation.
First, at this point it is much to do about nothing. It is not about being snubbed, it is about a friend of Rogers being asked to take a pay cut or he will be released and another friend who is a UFA not getting a contract offer. It's normal BS.
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considering i didn't like this hire in the first place, mangini's gonna turn me into ghoolie if this is how his regime is gonna go. you can't piss off your best players in a domineering attempt to exert your authority and expect to have any success.
I get where you're coming from, JD, but didn't we WANT a coach who would "exert [his] authority" over our dysfunctional crew of me-first cry-babies?
And at the very first, relatively benign signal that Mangini is going to be the HEAD COACH and not the BEST FRIEND, now you're siding with the me-first crybabies?
Not me, man. I honestly do not give one rat's ace what any of the players thinks of Mangini and I'm sure he doesn't either.
Mangini's attitude seems to be "be a man and be a professional and take care of your business and we'll get along just fine." He doesn't seem to want to be any player's friend and he doesn't seem to care about the personal relationships AT THIS POINT. He may eventually care about the player's that get him and his program but he doesn't seem to prioritize ego over business.
Which, frankly, is my personal leadership style preference too. Expecting men to be men and not act like little girls is a plus in my book.
Rogers seems to be acting like a teenage girl who didn't get the attention she wanted from the cute new guy.
Except, he's a very large man crying about a smaller-but-still-large man not talking to him which is even girlier.
I get where you're coming from, JD, but didn't we WANT a coach who would "exert [his] authority" over our dysfunctional crew of me-first cry-babies?
And at the very first, relatively benign signal that Mangini is going to be the HEAD COACH and not the BEST FRIEND, now you're siding with the me-first crybabies?
Not me, man. I honestly do not give one rat's ace what any of the players thinks of Mangini and I'm sure he doesn't either.
Mangini's attitude seems to be "be a man and be a professional and take care of your business and we'll get along just fine." He doesn't seem to want to be any player's friend and he doesn't seem to care about the personal relationships AT THIS POINT. He may eventually care about the player's that get him and his program but he doesn't seem to prioritize ego over business.
Which, frankly, is my personal leadership style preference too. Expecting men to be men and not act like little girls is a plus in my book.
Rogers seems to be acting like a teenage girl who didn't get the attention she wanted from the cute new guy.
Except, he's a very large man crying about a smaller-but-still-large man not talking to him which is even girlier.
i disagree with none of what you've said. i think it's a leader's job to outline their plan to their followers before executing it, which it doesn't seem like mangini has done.
good leaders are open to communication in addition to having and executing a well-thought-out vision that leaves no room for ego.
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Good point JD....But rogers whining like a f-king prima donna is maddening. "he didn't say hi to me waaaaaaa" holy fk, shut the fk up and play. I can't believe this dude isn't a 6th grade school girl.
I do agree with good leadership outlining and communicating vision. I thought it a mistake not to gather everyone together first thing and outline and communicate it....disagree with the I'll meet individualy with these players one on one and " when I get to it" stooopid
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I get where you're coming from, JD, but didn't we WANT a coach who would "exert [his] authority" over our dysfunctional crew of me-first cry-babies?
And at the very first, relatively benign signal that Mangini is going to be the HEAD COACH and not the BEST FRIEND, now you're siding with the me-first crybabies?
Not me, man. I honestly do not give one rat's ace what any of the players thinks of Mangini and I'm sure he doesn't either.
Mangini's attitude seems to be "be a man and be a professional and take care of your business and we'll get along just fine." He doesn't seem to want to be any player's friend and he doesn't seem to care about the personal relationships AT THIS POINT. He may eventually care about the player's that get him and his program but he doesn't seem to prioritize ego over business.
Which, frankly, is my personal leadership style preference too. Expecting men to be men and not act like little girls is a plus in my book.
Rogers seems to be acting like a teenage girl who didn't get the attention she wanted from the cute new guy.
Except, he's a very large man crying about a smaller-but-still-large man not talking to him which is even girlier.
i disagree with none of what you've said. i think it's a leader's job to outline their plan to their followers before executing it, which it doesn't seem like mangini has done.
good leaders are open to communication in addition to having and executing a well-thought-out vision that leaves no room for ego.
i disagree with none of what you've said. i think it's a leader's job to outline their plan to their followers before executing it, which it doesn't seem like mangini has done.
good leaders are open to communication in addition to having and executing a well-thought-out vision that leaves no room for ego.
Excellent points and I agree with you on this too.
But it was FEBRUARY when Mangini "dissed" Rogers. He hasn't seen most of the players and hasn't had an opportunity to outline anything to anyone yet. He said he would do that starting in March when the team begins to come together for OTAs and he begins his one-on-ones with players. What Rogers is upset about is that he didn't get special treatment, is what it sounds like.
Look, I'm not defending Mangini if he actually snubbed Rogers, as in he avoided him or walked the other way on him or turned his back on him. But nobody is saying that's what happened. What we know is that they were at the same event and may or may not have been in the same room. A "room" can be a ballroom or a dressing room and we don't know which it was, so the facts are a bit sketchy, right?
But from the sound of it, Rogers has his panties bunched because Mangini didn't go OUT OF HIS WAY to introduce himself.
And if that's truly the case? Then Rogers is a girl and Mangini has my full support because I don't think any head coach needs to bow at the feet of any player, even if he could eat him. (Take that either way, it still works.)
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i disagree with none of what you've said. i think it's a leader's job to outline their plan to their followers before executing it, which it doesn't seem like mangini has done.
good leaders are open to communication in addition to having and executing a well-thought-out vision that leaves no room for ego.
Excellent points and I agree with you on this too.
But it was FEBRUARY when Mangini "dissed" Rogers. He hasn't seen most of the players and hasn't had an opportunity to outline anything to anyone yet. He said he would do that starting in March when the team begins to come together for OTAs and he begins his one-on-ones with players. What Rogers is upset about is that he didn't get special treatment, is what it sounds like.
Look, I'm not defending Mangini if he actually snubbed Rogers, as in he avoided him or walked the other way on him or turned his back on him. But nobody is saying that's what happened. What we know is that they were at the same event and may or may not have been in the same room. A "room" can be a ballroom or a dressing room and we don't know which it was, so the facts are a bit sketchy, right?
But from the sound of it, Rogers has his panties bunched because Mangini didn't go OUT OF HIS WAY to introduce himself.
And if that's truly the case? Then Rogers is a girl and Mangini has my full support because I don't think any head coach needs to bow at the feet of any player, even if he could eat him. (Take that either way, it still works.)
Excellent points and I agree with you on this too.
But it was FEBRUARY when Mangini "dissed" Rogers. He hasn't seen most of the players and hasn't had an opportunity to outline anything to anyone yet. He said he would do that starting in March when the team begins to come together for OTAs and he begins his one-on-ones with players. What Rogers is upset about is that he didn't get special treatment, is what it sounds like.
Look, I'm not defending Mangini if he actually snubbed Rogers, as in he avoided him or walked the other way on him or turned his back on him. But nobody is saying that's what happened. What we know is that they were at the same event and may or may not have been in the same room. A "room" can be a ballroom or a dressing room and we don't know which it was, so the facts are a bit sketchy, right?
But from the sound of it, Rogers has his panties bunched because Mangini didn't go OUT OF HIS WAY to introduce himself.
And if that's truly the case? Then Rogers is a girl and Mangini has my full support because I don't think any head coach needs to bow at the feet of any player, even if he could eat him. (Take that either way, it still works.)
I don't even think Rogers has his panties in a bunch, I think this whole story was fabricated.
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Excellent points and I agree with you on this too.
But it was FEBRUARY when Mangini "dissed" Rogers. He hasn't seen most of the players and hasn't had an opportunity to outline anything to anyone yet. He said he would do that starting in March when the team begins to come together for OTAs and he begins his one-on-ones with players. What Rogers is upset about is that he didn't get special treatment, is what it sounds like.
Look, I'm not defending Mangini if he actually snubbed Rogers, as in he avoided him or walked the other way on him or turned his back on him. But nobody is saying that's what happened. What we know is that they were at the same event and may or may not have been in the same room. A "room" can be a ballroom or a dressing room and we don't know which it was, so the facts are a bit sketchy, right?
But from the sound of it, Rogers has his panties bunched because Mangini didn't go OUT OF HIS WAY to introduce himself.
And if that's truly the case? Then Rogers is a girl and Mangini has my full support because I don't think any head coach needs to bow at the feet of any player, even if he could eat him. (Take that either way, it still works.)
I don't even think Rogers has his panties in a bunch, I think this whole story was fabricated.
AdaM said:
I don't even think Rogers has his panties in a bunch, I think this whole story was fabricated.I doubt it, Adam, because there's too much smoke for it to be fabricated.
And Rogers' agent hasn't denied any of it which he would certainly do if someone was out there trying to make his giant-man client sound like a little girl.
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Weight mandate among issues prompting Shaun Rogers to ask Cleveland Browns for his release
by Mary Kay Cabot / Plain Dealer Reporter
CLEVELAND -- Pro Bowl nose tackle Shaun Rogers has formally asked to be traded or released by the Browns and isn't likely to change his mind, a source close to Rogers said.
Browns coach Eric Mangini has been trying to call the disgruntled tackle, but it's not yet known if the two have talked. Chances are, it wouldn't do much good anyway.
Rogers is miffed not just about being snubbed by Mangini on two occasions, but also by a directive he received from an unknown club official regarding the offseason weight program.
Despite playing all last season at his required weight -- which was listed at 350 -- Rogers was told by the Browns not to bother showing up for the offseason program on March 16th unless he was at a prescribed weight.
The mandate angered Rogers because he was in compliance with his weight all last season. What's more, he played on a sore knee much of the year and with a sore shoulder for most of the second half. He left one game with a neck stinger and returned, never missing any time because of the injuries.
Rogers came to Cleveland with a reputation for his weight ballooning in the second half of seasons, especially in 2007 when it was said that he ran out of gas. That never happened here. In fact, Rogers played some of his best ball down the stretch in 2008, despite the fact the Browns were out of the playoff hunt and in disarray.
Rogers is also upset that the team failed to reach out to him even after they knew he was miffed about the snubs and the weight issue. The club knew that there was a sense of urgency on Rogers' part, but failed to respond until he asked to be released.
Only now is Mangini trying to contact Rogers, and it may very well be too late.
Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire, made it clear on Wednesday that Rogers' issues have nothing to do with money or his contract. In fact, he'd rather be released than earn the $15 million he's still owed, including a $6 million option bonus due next month.
The unfortunate part -- for Rogers and the Browns -- is that Rogers was rejuvenated in Cleveland and had a Pro Bowl season after virtually being run out of Detroit, where he was viewed as lazy and underacheiving. Rogers also rehabilitated his public image here. He was the best player the Browns had on defense last season and the cornerstone of the 3-4 defense.
It appears now that Rogers would rather play elsewhere than deal with the new regime. For his part, Mangini has said he values Rogers highly, wants him on the team and never meant to snub or disrespect him. It's not known if the weight mandate came from Mangini or someone else.
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