***Official Browns Vs. Bengals Game Day Thread***
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@everlastingxxx said:
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. I believe he will be a great quarterback but I didn't say it would happen instantly. Only complete idiots would believe that. The entire team (including manziel) played horribly.
You can believe that all you want but he showed nothing today to back that statement up.
You can believe that all you want but he showed nothing today to back that statement up.
What get's me is he is never showed anyone outside the state of Texas that he could be a GREAT NFL QB.
I watched Jason White dominate college football and win the Heisman but I wasn't one bit surprised it wasn't going to translate to the NFL.
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I'm out of town right now so I had to stream the game to my Verizon phone with the NFL Mobile app. (It says it's streaming Fox)
Dear god it was commercials commercials commercials...
Everything I saw was terrible, like gut wrenching about to vomit no better then the last 20 years bad.
Anyways, Cindy marched down the field and scored yet again, I believe it was around the 20 point mark, and when they went to commercial Elijah Wood was standing next to Joe Thomas with this look of horror on his face.
Then it hit me. It was Johnny Manziel. Dear god you could easily mistake those 2 for each other in public.
I vote we change the nickname from Johnny Football to Johnny Frodo.
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@everlastingxxx said:
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. I believe he will be a great quarterback but I didn't say it would happen instantly. Only complete idiots would believe that. The entire team (including manziel) played horribly.
You can believe that all you want but he showed nothing today to back that statement up.
You can believe that all you want but he showed nothing today to back that statement up.
As bad as the mechanics and reads were today, its pretty clear why the coaches were so reluctant to play him.
He looked lost and made a lot of bad reads. So, he's not NFL ready and has a lot to learn.....playing is the only way....
Ill be looking for noticeable adjustments on his part next week.....to see if he's taking the coaching.....cause today it didn't look like it
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You can believe that all you want but he showed nothing today to back that statement up.
As bad as the mechanics and reads were today, its pretty clear why the coaches were so reluctant to play him.
He looked lost and made a lot of bad reads. So, he's not NFL ready and has a lot to learn.....playing is the only way....
Ill be looking for noticeable adjustments on his part next week.....to see if he's taking the coaching.....cause today it didn't look like it
As bad as the mechanics and reads were today, its pretty clear why the coaches were so reluctant to play him.
He looked lost and made a lot of bad reads. So, he's not NFL ready and has a lot to learn.....playing is the only way....
Ill be looking for noticeable adjustments on his part next week.....to see if he's taking the coaching.....cause today it didn't look like it
Yep...There's a positive for all the fanboy fags. He really can't look any worse next week against Carolina than he did today so as long as he improves on that shit show today, it will be a step in the right direction. But he better show something next week or its not going to give us a lot of hope for the future.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Brown fans are so pissed at Manziel but no outrage over 244 rushing yards against the defense. They get a free pass. I think the shit play by the entire team is getting a free pass.
Not at all, but Hoyer never got a free pass. Again the issues with the offense were magnified with Johnny under center, not improved.
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Now that I've come down from all this, here's the best thing we can all hope for. Maybe this will be a HUGE wake up call for Manziel and Shanahan. For Manziel, it's realizing fast he's going to be a pocket passer FIRST and a runner SECOND. This goes hand in hand of course with Shanahan realizing the read-option bullshit doesn't work as the staple of the offense. Manziel deserves and has to play in a similar scheme to what Hoyer was in. He may fall flat on his ass but there's no way we will win with the scheme trotted out today.
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why did'nt the Cowboys draft him?
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What gets me is that, even as a rookie starting - you almost always see one play, just ONE that makes you go "damn, i can see why they were excited". Or "damn, nice throw".
I didn't see that once today with Johnny.
What gets me is that, even as a rookie starting - you almost always see one play, just ONE that makes you go "damn, i can see why they were excited". Or "damn, nice throw".
I didn't see that once today with Johnny.
Me, neither...
@everlastingxxx said:
Oh I saw a couple of great plays. What I liked is he was willing to take some chances with the ball. Wasn't all check downs. He will be better next week. Go Browns!
@everlastingxxx said:
Nice throws on the move. One was dropped the other caught by Gordon. I thought he did a good job with managing the offense, nice tempo.
Forget "great throws"... this is a timing route offense. Hoyer showed us examples of this in every single game including his worst games.
Drop, hit back foot, step and gone... on time in rhythm.
Tell me how many throws were made on time today. I doubt your "nice throws on the move" will count. We did not run that many designed moves.
Take your time, but with only 18 throws it shouldn't take too long. We'll wait.
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Aditi Kinkhabwala @AKinkhabwala 1h1 hour ago We're still waiting on Johnny Manziel's arrival here at the stadium. His teammates all seem to have a little extra pep though... #Browns
We need the Team to have some energy and not come out flat expecting to win just because . . .
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You can believe that all you want but he showed nothing today to back that statement up.
As bad as the mechanics and reads were today, its pretty clear why the coaches were so reluctant to play him.
He looked lost and made a lot of bad reads. So, he's not NFL ready and has a lot to learn.....playing is the only way....
Ill be looking for noticeable adjustments on his part next week.....to see if he's taking the coaching.....cause today it didn't look like it
As bad as the mechanics and reads were today, its pretty clear why the coaches were so reluctant to play him.
He looked lost and made a lot of bad reads. So, he's not NFL ready and has a lot to learn.....playing is the only way....
Just reinforces the "Hoyer lost the job; Johnny did not win it" angle.
On reads... per Johnny in his presser, he made them, game was not too fast, he just wasn't decisive enough and it lead to him holding onto the ball too long.
Example he offered was the INT in Hawk's direction. While the play screamed "late", as did most of his throws, late did not cause that INT. He threw ball to the inside of an out route and put nothing close to the velocity he is capable of into the throw. Hawk slowed and the ball was still behind him.
Result: Easy pickings... and not exactly great self-analysis.
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One thing to consider is he didn't get many chances to do anything because Cincy controlled the ball for much of the game. 18 passes and 5 runs is hardly a good sample size, especially considering all the other factors (first game, terrible play by most everybody, playoff atmosphere, and the Bengals playing great). If we are talking about this game and maybe the next two, yeah, it isn't looking so great. But you can hardly say one way or another what this means for the rest of his career. Sure, even I am less optimistic but just barely so. If he plays well next week a lot of this goes away.
You comment on the TOP imbalance as if JM had no role in that. Convert a 3rd down... make a play... and you get to keep the ball.
This was a far worse showing than even I, a Manziel skeptic, saw coming.
I could not imagine the gap between your lofty expectations and this pure shit showing... could not anyway until I saw what has come out of your now wide open rationalization spigot.
More still in the pipeline?
You comment on the TOP imbalance as if JM had no role in that. Convert a 3rd down... make a play... and you get to keep the ball.
This was a far worse showing than even I, a Manziel skeptic, saw coming.
I could not imagine the gap between your lofty expectations and this pure shit showing... could not anyway until I saw what has come out of your now wide open rationalization spigot.
More still in the pipeline?
In bold, this^ for me as well. Ugh I'm more upset now that Hoyer couldn't keep his mojo through the entire season...
@everlastingxxx said:
Brown fans are so pissed at Manziel but no outrage over 244 rushing yards against the defense. They get a free pass. I think the shit play by the entire team is getting a free pass.
Agreed on the part about the defense and the team playing terribly. All they had to do was stop the run and force Dalton to play. Even the little bit he did play he threw an interception. But they do NOT get a free pass. There will be talk about everything that went wrong yesterday, and Manziel will be included in a lot of it. Why? Because there was SO much talk about his special abilities and we'd be amazed. I was amazed all right...in the complete opposite way of what I was expecting. Not one play yesterday showed us any of what the JF fanboys guaranteed us. Nothing. Complete and utter fucking disaster. All he showed was he's in no way ready for the NFL.
I hope he does a 180 next week vs Panthers, and gets us to at least 8-8. The floor has been set. He can't go anywhere from here but up. Right?? Fuckity fuck fuck.
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