PFT on Quinn
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@shepwrite said:
I'll say this for the 100th time: If Anderson beats out Quinn in a legit competition, he deserves the job.He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
And look how he performed, dipshit.
That's exactly what he's saying. If Quinn is not good enough to beat Anderson in an open competition, we're xxxxed anyway.
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And Lum, here's why you have little street cred here.
From your posts, DA has no negatives and BQ has no positives.
Fanboys like you always take it on the chin in the forum world.
Most, if not all, of the pro-Quinn crowd here feels the same about these two points.
1. DA had his chance
2. BQ deserves a chance
It's not that DA is all bad or that Quinn is all good.
I agree nobody really knows what's going to happen. There are stranger things in life than starting QB quandries.
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@shepwrite said:
I'll say this for the 100th time: If Anderson beats out Quinn in a legit competition, he deserves the job.He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.
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He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.
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Masters said:
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.My oh my how memories change.
AdaM said:
My oh my how memories change.There was no competition last year. DA was named the starter on Jan 10th long before even the draft.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...tart_quart.html
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Masters said:
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.My oh my how memories change.
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AdaM said:
My oh my how memories change.There was no competition last year. DA was named the starter on Jan 10th long before even the draft.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...tart_quart.html
There was no competition last year. DA was named the starter on Jan 10th long before even the draft.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...tart_quart.html
I am pretty sure AdaM was being sarcastic.
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Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
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Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
He doesn't have the mental capacity to find his way back, don't worry.
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Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
Like Lummy, he'll just find his way to the next thread about QBs for CLE. It's the only thing they can attempt to talk about when it comes to the Browns, and they always run from threads where they are dead ass wrong.
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He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.
Masters said:
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
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Masters said:
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
Wrong, Opie 'had' to play DA.
Then when Lerner saw the results, he made the change.
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Masters said:
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
First off, any time I hear a DA supporter bring up preseason and DA, it makes me laugh. We are talking about the same DA who in 2007 when he was in a QB compition couldn't beat out Frye and has thrown about the same amount of preseason TDs as Quinn. It's preseason. It means nothing. Coaches aren't necessarily even looking for TD passes out of the QB at that time.
Secondly, it didn't matter what Quinn did in the preseason. DA was gonna be the starter. CLE had just paid him starter money and committed to him, at least for the 2008 season. That is the reality. Plus, if you are gonna bag on Quinn's preseason performance, you might want to keep in mind that the majority of his time was spent in preseaons with the second string line, Winslow and Edwards not playing, Lewis for a few downs, and most of his passes having to go to Steptoe, Cribbs, and Sanders. Really a chance to shine and out perform DA hun?
You mean you can't assume a first round draft pick, with a ton of playing time in college can't do better than DA's 72 QBR rating over his last 16 starts? Seriously? CLE could go back to Charlie Frye and get the same results (look at DA's last 16 starts and Frye's last 16 starts w/ CLE, and you'll see similar numbers and the same QBR).
Quinn did not have more of an opportunity than any other backup in the NFL to win the starter position. He has as much chance as the backups for most NFL teams committed to a starter. DA could have played all of preseason and put on his normal preseason showing and it would not have mattered.
I got to say, I am starting to think your screen name is your way of just warning others in advance.
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QUOTE (Drunkandstoopid @ Feb 26 2009, 02:19 PM)
DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
quote name='AdaM' date='Feb 26 2009, 02:25 PM' post='46201']
Wrong, Opie 'had' to play DA.
Then when Lerner saw the results, he made the change.
How can you even say that drunken, seriously how can you say that BQ had any chance of wining the job when the job was not even up for grabs. I mean talk about rewriting history. B/C DA got hurt, in the preseason no less, it means that the job was "open". Man you cannot even argue with that logic b/c there is nowhere to go with it. Your statement goes against EVERYTHING we heard from the organization at the time and goes against a fairly high held "Code of Honor" in sports thats 'YOU DON'T LOOSE YOUR JOB TO INJURY'
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How can you even say that drunken, seriously how can you say that BQ had any chance of wining the job when the job was not even up for grabs. I mean talk about rewriting history. B/C DA got hurt, in the preseason no less, it means that the job was "open". Man you cannot even argue with that logic b/c there is nowhere to go with it. Your statement goes against EVERYTHING we heard from the organization at the time and goes against a fairly high held "Code of Honor" in sports thats 'YOU DON'T LOOSE YOUR JOB TO INJURY'
dont kid yourself there, its quite commom to lose a starting job do to injuries.
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DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
First off, any time I hear a DA supporter bring up preseason and DA, it makes me laugh. We are talking about the same DA who in 2007 when he was in a QB compition couldn't beat out Frye and has thrown about the same amount of preseason TDs as Quinn. It's preseason. It means nothing. Coaches aren't necessarily even looking for TD passes out of the QB at that time.
Secondly, it didn't matter what Quinn did in the preseason. DA was gonna be the starter. CLE had just paid him starter money and committed to him, at least for the 2008 season. That is the reality. Plus, if you are gonna bag on Quinn's preseason performance, you might want to keep in mind that the majority of his time was spent in preseaons with the second string line, Winslow and Edwards not playing, Lewis for a few downs, and most of his passes having to go to Steptoe, Cribbs, and Sanders. Really a chance to shine and out perform DA hun?
You mean you can't assume a first round draft pick, with a ton of playing time in college can't do better than DA's 72 QBR rating over his last 16 starts? Seriously? CLE could go back to Charlie Frye and get the same results (look at DA's last 16 starts and Frye's last 16 starts w/ CLE, and you'll see similar numbers and the same QBR).
Quinn did not have more of an opportunity than any other backup in the NFL to win the starter position. He has as much chance as the backups for most NFL teams committed to a starter. DA could have played all of preseason and put on his normal preseason showing and it would not have mattered.
I got to say, I am starting to think your screen name is your way of just warning others in advance.
Masters said:
First off, any time I hear a DA supporter bring up preseason and DA, it makes me laugh. We are talking about the same DA who in 2007 when he was in a QB compition couldn't beat out FryeI got to say, I am starting to think your screen name is your way of just warning others in advance.
I remember that preseason. DA drove the team better than Frye. He didn't throw more TD's, but the team scored better. He had one redzone failure that really pissed people off, but if you watched it, 2 of the delay penalties were caused by coach plumpy sending in players 3 seconds before the clock expired. What with the pick 6 or two, Frye was about +7 or +10 points for the whole preseason. Even Shepwrite was maintaining at the time that DA was playing better than Frye during preseason that year. If I recall correctly, pretty much only Flugel and Calfox were the only ones vocally crediting Frye as being the better QB at the time.
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Masters said:
First off, any time I hear a DA supporter bring up preseason and DA, it makes me laugh. We are talking about the same DA who in 2007 when he was in a QB compition couldn't beat out FryeI got to say, I am starting to think your screen name is your way of just warning others in advance.
I remember that preseason. DA drove the team better than Frye. He didn't throw more TD's, but the team scored better. He had one redzone failure that really pissed people off, but if you watched it, 2 of the delay penalties were caused by coach plumpy sending in players 3 seconds before the clock expired. What with the pick 6 or two, Frye was about +7 or +10 points for the whole preseason. Even Shepwrite was maintaining at the time that DA was playing better than Frye during preseason that year. If I recall correctly, pretty much only Flugel and Calfox were the only ones vocally crediting Frye as being the better QB at the time.
I remember that preseason. DA drove the team better than Frye. He didn't throw more TD's, but the team scored better. He had one redzone failure that really pissed people off, but if you watched it, 2 of the delay penalties were caused by coach plumpy sending in players 3 seconds before the clock expired. What with the pick 6 or two, Frye was about +7 or +10 points for the whole preseason. Even Shepwrite was maintaining at the time that DA was playing better than Frye during preseason that year. If I recall correctly, pretty much only Flugel and Calfox were the only ones vocally crediting Frye as being the better QB at the time.
Actually, that is revisionist history as well. DA and Frye did about the same in that entire preseason. DA didn't just have redzone failures (which Frye had), DA had bad fumbles and took bad sacks that preseason.
It's extra funny that you bring up delay penalties, a common issue with DA. Guys lining up wrong and having to burn time outs. Yet as soon as Quinn replaced him as the starter, those suddenly disappeared for 2 1/2 games.
Watching that preason, if Quinn would have actually been in camp on time and part of the compition, CLE wouldn't likely even have been in this scenario, as Quinn likely would have beat out both guys.
DA is who he is and has been since HS. Since you have been following him since college, it should be even more apparent to you that he is the same player today that he was as a freshman are ORE ST.
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How can you even say that drunken, seriously how can you say that BQ had any chance of wining the job when the job was not even up for grabs. I mean talk about rewriting history. B/C DA got hurt, in the preseason no less, it means that the job was "open". Man you cannot even argue with that logic b/c there is nowhere to go with it. Your statement goes against EVERYTHING we heard from the organization at the time and goes against a fairly high held "Code of Honor" in sports thats 'YOU DON'T LOOSE YOUR JOB TO INJURY'
dont kid yourself there, its quite commom to lose a starting job do to injuries.
nmills said:
How can you even say that drunken, seriously how can you say that BQ had any chance of wining the job when the job was not even up for grabs. I mean talk about rewriting history. B/C DA got hurt, in the preseason no less, it means that the job was "open". Man you cannot even argue with that logic b/c there is nowhere to go with it. Your statement goes against EVERYTHING we heard from the organization at the time and goes against a fairly high held "Code of Honor" in sports thats 'YOU DON'T LOOSE YOUR JOB TO INJURY'dont kid yourself there, its quite commom to lose a starting job do to injuries.
True it does happen...not often when a guy gets hurt in a exhibition game and is deemed healthy before a game is played that counts.
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