Jonathan Paul Manziel
-
Besides Arron Rodgers, when has developing a QB been a long process?
Tom Brady was in there his rookie year, so were BOTH Mannings, so was Russ Wilson,
Besides Arron Rodgers, when has developing a QB been a long process?
Rodgers was ready at least one year before he started after GB had had enough of Favre's on again/ off again retirement. How much earlier than that we'll never know.
Hoyer was always just a temporary stopgap, nobody ran him out of town. He's a career backup who filled in during a qb transition. This was never about Brian hoyer,
Been hearing this for months on end. That's the problem with you Johnny-come-latelys... you come in waves.
I'm a Manziel fan but he is too short for the Big League. He lacks vision. Literally. And he will never be a Russel Wilson.
Curious as to why you think he can never be Russell...
-
It's just you. I listened to the presser and it was quite obvious he is being down on himself saying he has to do better etc etc etc. I realize haters gonna hate but in this instance I think you are purposely misrepresenting what he said.Just me or is there a lot of the same, non-royal "we" and "us" and "team as a whole" type stuff found to be so off-putting from Hoyer.
Because you aren't stupid.
And if anybody had a right to blame it on a team lost this might be a good time. A team loss might be when your defense lets the opposition run at will. A team loss might include a non existent running game. A team loss might involve no return game. And a team loss would also feature terrible quarterback performance.
I didn't hear him blaming anybody else.
WSS
It's just you. I listened to the presser and it was quite obvious he is being down on himself saying he has to do better etc etc etc. I realize haters gonna hate but in this instance I think you are purposely misrepresenting what he said.
I didn't hear him blaming anybody else.
And analyzers gonna analyze...
Specific names? Correct, none mentioned save Hawk (except in passing), and Hawk's was a positive ref. But I do not feel I am misrepresenting anything, Steve. There is a fair amount of the all inclusive "We have to play better"... same as Hoyer.
Just did a count..
I's - ~18 including a surprising amount of deluded, self-appraisal, e.g. "I did not think the game was too fast for me." "I was prepared."
We's - ~22 including the above example plus, "team thing" and "we did not make plays on 3rd down."
My original point was simply that many statements were identical to those Hoyer made in his pressers. Statements that lovers here jumped upon...
Lovers gonna love...
-
Well... I think Conner Shaw could have played better than Manziel did.
He wouldn't have been partying cross country like Manziel - he'd have been
working all this time to be successful when he got his chance to start.......... dammit.
-
Manziel is the starter.
No where to go but up from here
-
It's just you. I listened to the presser and it was quite obvious he is being down on himself saying he has to do better etc etc etc. I realize haters gonna hate but in this instance I think you are purposely misrepresenting what he said.
I didn't hear him blaming anybody else.
And analyzers gonna analyze...
Specific names? Correct, none mentioned save Hawk (except in passing), and Hawk's was a positive ref. But I do not feel I am misrepresenting anything, Steve. There is a fair amount of the all inclusive "We have to play better"... same as Hoyer.
Just did a count..
I's - ~18 including a surprising amount of deluded, self-appraisal, e.g. "I did not think the game was too fast for me." "I was prepared."
We's - ~22 including the above example plus, "team thing" and "we did not make plays on 3rd down."
My original point was simply that many statements were identical to those Hoyer made in his pressers. Statements that lovers here jumped upon...
Lovers gonna love...
Don't really see what this has to do with the original post but again you misrepresented what he had to say in the press conference. That's all.And analyzers gonna analyze...
Specific names? Correct, none mentioned save Hawk (except in passing), and Hawk's was a positive ref. But I do not feel I am misrepresenting anything, Steve. There is a fair amount of the all inclusive "We have to play better"... same as Hoyer.
Just did a count..
I's - ~18 including a surprising amount of deluded, self-appraisal, e.g. "I did not think the game was too fast for me." "I was prepared."
We's - ~22 including the above example plus, "team thing" and "we did not make plays on 3rd down."
My original point was simply that many statements were identical to those Hoyer made in his pressers. Statements that lovers here jumped upon...
Lovers gonna love...
He did not shy away from the blame.
(and from my point of view the other facets of the game or a lot worse than they were last week. A lot.)
And he sucked too.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
JFF all the way.
-
We'll know a lot more after three games, not one.
Can't throw him under the bus yet.
-
this could be the moment where these 2 came together for the first time. An enlightening, if you will.
JFF realizing it aint as easy as it looks and Hoyer realizing he could still be the best QB here. Then laughing because they both gonna be rich no matter how they play.
And shanny looks sour because he's realizing he needs a QB.
-
Manziel's a hero, he's courageous, all-around team player.
Hoyer's all about himself, cancer in the locker room, blaming his teammates.
Whatever, the pissing on Hoyer's press conferences was only because people wanted to see Manziel...nothing else. Against ATL he only blamed himself, after that he got pulled and got asked questions in a manner to defend his position.
We've clearly seen the "Hoyer doesn't talk to Manziel", "Hoyer about to be cut", "Teammates don't like Hoyer", "Hoyer kills children" stuff, and we've clearly seen how much BS it is.
I understand benching Hoyer, but I don't understand why Cleveland wanted to trash and slander the only QB since 99' to have a winning record.
-
I believe they were laughing about how Shanny thought the pistol offense would work lol
-
I thought Manziel was being very honest - in the game, he hesitated, and screwed up.
I met a Bengal fan at the Dallas airport last night - I congratulated him for a great payback,
even though I only like paybacks when it's the Browns doing the paybacking...
He was a classy guy - said the Browns humiliated Dalton and the Bengals at home, and
it was the Bengals' turn - and the Browns have injuries etc. Said the Browns were getting
very close, though, to being a power in the division - which will be great next year when they
fill in a few more pieces, because they hate the Steelers.
I just think that Hawkins was the distracting factor, and let the team down in their focus.
And the Bengals were sky high with emotion - the Browns, not so much. and...
Hoyer would have played a lot better, but the Browns would still have lost.
-
I thought Manziel was being very honest - in the game, he hesitated, and screwed up.
I met a Bengal fan at the Dallas airport last night - I congratulated him for a great payback,
even though I only like paybacks when it's the Browns doing the paybacking...
He was a classy guy - said the Browns humiliated Dalton and the Bengals at home, and
it was the Bengals' turn - and the Browns have injuries etc. Said the Browns were getting
very close, though, to being a power in the division - which will be great next year when they
fill in a few more pieces, because they hate the Steelers.
I just think that Hawkins was the distracting factor, and let the team down in their focus.
And the Bengals were sky high with emotion - the Browns, not so much. and...
Hoyer would have played a lot better, but the Browns would still have lost.
-
Otto Graham and Joe Theismann both used to play QBs and return punts. JFF would do no worse at the job than who we have doing it now.
-
All I heard all week was that Shanny would call plays to Johnny's strengths. Well that didn't happen
No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses.
But yet that's what we did.
I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME
also the bungles were 27th against the run, we ran right up the middle ALL DAY
All I heard all week was that Shanny would call plays to Johnny's strengths. Well that didn't happen
No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses. But yet that's what we did.
I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME
Just what passing plays do not require reads? Roll outs simply cut the field in half.
And then there's the pre-snap reads that include line calls. Not sure if BH had been involved in those, but I am pretty sure JM was not. Still want to see this asked.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
All I heard all week was that Shanny would call plays to Johnny's strengths. Well that didn't happen
No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses.
But yet that's what we did.
I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME
also the bungles were 27th against the run, we ran right up the middle ALL DAY
All I heard all week was that Shanny would call plays to Johnny's strengths. Well that didn't happen
No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses.
But yet that's what we did.
I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME
also the bungles were 27th against the run, we ran right up the middle ALL DAY
Holy fuck, you're kidding right? Those who wanted Manziel to start, what did you expect him to do? Take a snap and just wait to see someone run open?
-
@everlastingxxx said:
Nothing to laugh about when your team is losing. I'm old school, that's just how I see it.
I thought you were too young to be "old school".
-
Oh come on Z, a punt returner?? He's way too slow for that....... Holder maybe?
-
Hoyer: Johnny you suck! haha
Johnny: I can't believe Haslam is paying this much to suck! haha
Shanny: I need a fucking QB
-
I think Brandon Weedon looked better on his first start, and on a lot worse team.
At this point might as well let Midge finish the season, but if he looks like he does after another two games, I wouldn't commit a season next season.
There was a reason that Brady Quinn slipped in the draft. There might be a reason Colt Manziel slid, too. And we probably didn't need to trade up to get him....
You might be a Retard. On his first start, Weeden threw 4 picks and got stuck underneath the flag.
You might be a Retard. On his first start, Weeden threw 4 picks and got stuck underneath the flag.
God the flag moment was so good.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login