JF has 200 more starts for the browns....
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Well we got Tour all excited about Manziel sucking. So all must be good on the Browns bored.
Guess again, DipShit...
Only thing that got me cranked up were all the FanBoys who promised the world all week now pulling double duty as excuse makers.
Guess again, DipShit...
Only thing that got me cranked up were all the FanBoys who promised the world all week now pulling double duty as excuse makers.
Is that what Texans chaw, dipshit?
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Is that what Texans chaw, dipshit?
"Just a pinch between the cheeks of your ass?"
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A lot of you guys are just not based in reality. The general rule is that even if you suck and show little promise at any point as a first round qb, you still get 20 or more starts. 22-29 seems to be the number most 'bad' first round qbs fall into. There are a few exceptions(weeden and Quinn got a few less than this but weeden was a unique first rounder in that he was so old so had less long term potential).
I'm not sure how much advanced math everyone has taken here, but 1 start plus 2 upcoming equals 3 starts. JF will almost certainly be the starter for the entirety of next year, and there is going to be no qb competition. If he blows chunks in 2015(unlikely), then there may but a competition in 2016.
And no, this is not a browns team that is just lacking a serviceable plug in qb. They are going to finish last in their league, and the only reason they are going to get to 8-8(maybe) is they had 4 games with the worst division in history. Give them a different division on th schedule and instead of 4-0 possibly thy go 1-2, maybe 2-2.
Johnny is a 22 yo rookie qb. There are going to be struggles very early in his career. I suggest you be patient with him and watch him improve(he will) rather than this 'you've got two games to show me something' nonsense.....Johnny has plenty of time to come around, and it may not happen as fast as we all want it to- but it will likely happen.
I know we've had such a run if crappy and worthless journeyman qbs that everyone is burnt out with the suck invests at qb....but you don't develop elite qbs with such a tragedy. It's ok to give undrafted free agents a quick peek and then move on, but with 22 yo first rounders, you are patient with them and watch them grow. None of those 2 more games nonsense.
A lot of you guys are just not based in reality. The general rule is that even if you suck and show little promise at any point as a first round qb, you still get 20 or more starts. 22-29 seems to be the number most 'bad' first round qbs fall into. There are a few exceptions(weeden and Quinn got a few less than this but weeden was a unique first rounder in that he was so old so had less long term potential).
I'm not sure how much advanced math everyone has taken here, but 1 start plus 2 upcoming equals 3 starts. JF will almost certainly be the starter for the entirety of next year, and there is going to be no qb competition. If he blows chunks in 2015(unlikely), then there may but a competition in 2016.
And no, this is not a browns team that is just lacking a serviceable plug in qb. They are going to finish last in their league, and the only reason they are going to get to 8-8(maybe) is they had 4 games with the worst division in history. Give them a different division on th schedule and instead of 4-0 possibly thy go 1-2, maybe 2-2.
Johnny is a 22 yo rookie qb. There are going to be struggles very early in his career. I suggest you be patient with him and watch him improve(he will) rather than this 'you've got two games to show me something' nonsense.....Johnny has plenty of time to come around, and it may not happen as fast as we all want it to- but it will likely happen.
I know we've had such a run if crappy and worthless journeyman qbs that everyone is burnt out with the suck invests at qb....but you don't develop elite qbs with such a tragedy. It's ok to give undrafted free agents a quick peek and then move on, but with 22 yo first rounders, you are patient with them and watch them grow. None of those 2 more games nonsense.
i thought Stockboy was banned
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Zombo said:
Quinn got 3. Three.
If you suck, you suck.
You gotta score points son, doesn't matter how young or short you are.
Zombo
And then Quinn got 10 the next year.
JF will the starter for the entirety of 2015.
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Manziel joined a long list of rookies that include Troy Aikman, that was shut out in his first start. Manziel can only grow from this experience. A cold wet slap in the face is sometimes needed for a player to mature and be successful in the long run. The next two weeks will be interesting. I still say it was the right decision to play the rookie. We weren't going to the Super bowl anyway. So now we watch and hopefully he is the franchise. Remember, Aikman, Both Manning's, Bradshaw, etc all struggled their rooki years. We need to get him the momentum for next year.
My Super Bowl Prediction:
Patriots vs Seattle
What's yours?
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Manziel better do something because he was abysmal yesterday. It was hard to watch. The whole team sucked but so did he and the offensive line was just disgusting.
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Manziel better do something because he was abysmal yesterday. It was hard to watch. The whole team sucked but so did he and the offensive line was just disgusting.
Manziel better do something because he was abysmal yesterday. It was hard to watch. The whole team sucked but so did he and the offensive line was just disgusting.
Score a TD, jump into the dawg pound and motor boat some DD breasts and chug a beer?
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Is that what Texans chaw, dipshit?
"Just a pinch between the cheeks of your ass?"
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Manziel joined a long list of rookies that include Troy Aikman, that was shut out in his first start. Manziel can only grow from this experience. A cold wet slap in the face is sometimes needed for a player to mature and be successful in the long run. The next two weeks will be interesting. I still say it was the right decision to play the rookie. We weren't going to the Super bowl anyway. So now we watch and hopefully he is the franchise. Remember, Aikman, Both Manning's, Bradshaw, etc all struggled their rooki years. We need to get him the momentum for next year.
My Super Bowl Prediction:
Patriots vs Seattle
What's yours?
Manziel joined a long list of rookies that include Troy Aikman, that was shut out in his first start.
The line aint as long as you think. And for like the fourth time in a day, Manziel is nothing like Aikman.
Manziel better do something because he was abysmal yesterday. It was hard to watch. The whole team sucked but so did he and the offensive line was just disgusting.
Yes he was....yes it was....yes they did....yes he did...yes it was .....thats "I agree" X 5
Score a TD, jump into the dawg pound and motor boat some DD breasts and chug a beer?
Wonder if he gains a little humility after that beatdown.....Yesterday I swear I saw Hoyer mouthing the words "I woulda hit that pass"....
@everlastingxxx said:
We I have to temper expectations. I am probably at fault for expecting too much too soon....which is what we've been SCREAMING at you the whole time....completely deaf ears
I didnt know what to expect once he got in there. I thought it would be a mixed bag...reread your posts. You pretty much announced he was the second coming and would rule the world....light it up...be better than the "normal rookie"....he was different....blah blah blah.. puke
i didnt expect a complete disaster performance....me either. But Im not shocked either. Already knew he wasn't god.
From here on out I am looking for improvement each week. ...Me too. Doesn't look like he's taken much coaching to this point and "admitted" this was the first week he actually worked real hard to prepare. Had to stay late and "cram", cause he really hadn't done it yet(his words)
Does he learn from his mistakes? ...so far, he doesn't seem to...
Do you see progress? .....so far, no. Looked worse than pre-season even. So I dont 'see' progress....but hope that its there anyway. Next week he has to be better....right?
Hopefully the media backs off a little....hopefully he keeps out of the news and off TMZ. He's a media baby because he wants to be. Thats pretty clear. A lot of folks knocking his party ways expected him to show up unprepared and they weren't disappointed. No matter why he looked so bad, had he done all the "right stuff" behind the scenes, then he'd be getting less flack.
So sorry...no sympathy on the whole media monster that he's created and feeds regularly
lets him learn and develop like any other rookie is suppose to....We are and thats what we've been telling you all year.
All the other rookie QB's started many weeks sooner and played fairly well on really bad teams...they even scored points......So now he's had more time to learn and develop than any of this years other picks or any of the Browns past QB's....so......it is what it is....a more than level playing field.....
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Orange85 said:
I had to LMAO at this post. So let me get this straightā¦.you guys butchered your last 15 QBs when in their first game they looked badā¦..but now you want to give this little punk a break and say he needs to learn and mature?? LOL!!!
Where was this patience with Weeden, McCoy, and so on and so on and so on???
You guys thought it could not get any worseā¦..well your future QB just finished game one with a QB rating in the 20's, passing for 80 yards.
Someoneā¦.Anyone on here please come to some sanity and admit that it is not the QBā¦..it is freaking Cleveland!!
Who the fuck are you?
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Orange85 said:
Ask you're momā¦she knows meā¦.well!
She's dead. Guess you must be a fucking freak.
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Manziel joined a long list of rookies that include Troy Aikman, that was shut out in his first start. Manziel can only grow from this experience. A cold wet slap in the face is sometimes needed for a player to mature and be successful in the long run. The next two weeks will be interesting. I still say it was the right decision to play the rookie. We weren't going to the Super bowl anyway. So now we watch and hopefully he is the franchise. Remember, Aikman, Both Manning's, Bradshaw, etc all struggled their rooki years. We need to get him the momentum for next year.
My Super Bowl Prediction:
Patriots vs Seattle
What's yours?
Manziel joined a long list of rookies that include Troy Aikman, that was shut out in his first start. Manziel can only grow from this experience. A cold wet slap in the face is sometimes needed for a player to mature and be successful in the long run. The next two weeks will be interesting. I still say it was the right decision to play the rookie. We weren't going to the Super bowl anyway. So now we watch and hopefully he is the franchise. Remember, Aikman, Both Manning's, Bradshaw, etc all struggled their rooki years. We need to get him the momentum for next year.
My Super Bowl Prediction:
Patriots vs Seattle
What's yours?
and none of them were as short as manziel or played in such a stupid college system.
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Manziel looked like a high school player playing with men out there. I say fuck Manziel. Put Hoyer back in for the last two games. If we stick with JF and get trounced the last two games to go to 7-9, do you realize the damage psychologically that will do to this team going into next year? Try to end on a positive note by beating the Ravens. Only Hoyer could accomplish
this.
Plus, JF is one ugly fuck.
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to me he's got two more games and if he can't produce or even look like a NFL player then then the QB wheel spins again.
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to me he's got two more games and if he can't produce or even look like a NFL player then then the QB wheel spins again.
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Zombo, it is only one game, too early to lose your Man-zeal. He may take a year to hit his stride. Personally I feel his style is better suited to the CFL but he at least has a possible upside. Take a Valium and a deep breath.
Fuck that dicklicker, get me an NFL QB with real size and a real arm.
Z
Zombo said:
Fuck that dicklicker, get me an NFL QB with real size and a real arm.
Z
Name me one player that played well Sunday Zombo. The punter?
The team as a whole, collectively played like Absolute dong.
Johnny had no chance.
Was he bad? Yes. Did he play like a rook? Yes.
Did the team elevate their play around Johnny to increase his chances at success? No
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@everlastingxxx said:
We have to temper expectations. I am probably at fault for expecting too much too soon. I didnt know what to expect once he got in there. I thought it would be a mixed bag, i didnt expect a complete disaster performance.
From here on out I am looking for improvement each week. Does he learn from his mistakes? Do you see progress? That really is the key. Nothing like live bullets and a shot of humility. I am happy for Johnny, he got de-flowered. Hopefully the media backs off a little and lets him learn and develope like any other rookie is suppose to.
If by "de-flowered" you mean "butt-fucked" and on a flexed to the max, Fox Sports nationwide broadcast, good choice of words.
As for the media "back(ing) off"... good luck with that. They'd have loved a success story, but given that there's blood in the water now, they'll just as gladly take a full out feeding frenzy.
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