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  • T TexasAg1969

    So here's the question. Do you as Pettine and the staff admit you brought him in too soon and restart BH the rest of the games going back to the original plan? Or do you decide it's sink or swim as the rookie plays out the season and gets the 1's from day one next year?

    @texasag1969 said:

    So here's the question. Do you as Pettine and the staff admit you brought him in too soon and restart BH the rest of the games going back to the original plan? Or do you decide it's sink or swim as the rookie plays out the season and gets the 1's from day one next year?

    I think you have to sink or swim with him. We all know what Hoyer brings to the table and what is ceiling as a player is or isn't. Playing Hoyer the last two games doesn't help the evaluation process for the QB position. It has to be Johnny midget for the last 2 games and see what happens. Despite the fanboys opinion here, I have to think if he shits himself the last 2 games like he did yesterday, there's no way he's guaranteed to be the starter next season or for that matter even on the team.

  • T TexasAg1969

    So here's the question. Do you as Pettine and the staff admit you brought him in too soon and restart BH the rest of the games going back to the original plan? Or do you decide it's sink or swim as the rookie plays out the season and gets the 1's from day one next year?

    @texasag1969 said:

    So here's the question. Do you as Pettine and the staff admit you brought him in too soon and restart BH the rest of the games going back to the original plan? Or do you decide it's sink or swim as the rookie plays out the season and gets the 1's from day one next year?

    You have to give him another game at least It's only fair and the right thing to do.

    And with the playoffs gone, I say let him play out the last games and see what he has.

    The part about getting the #1's from day 1 next season? Verdict is still out on that. Hoyer was great his first few games and didn't even get that benefit, so I doubt they'd hand over the team to JFF if he hasn't shown anything in a full year of practice and the same 3 games Hoyer got.

  • T TexasAg1969

    So here's the question. Do you as Pettine and the staff admit you brought him in too soon and restart BH the rest of the games going back to the original plan? Or do you decide it's sink or swim as the rookie plays out the season and gets the 1's from day one next year?

    @texasag1969 said:

    So here's the question. Do you as Pettine and the staff admit you brought him in too soon and restart BH the rest of the games going back to the original plan? Or do you decide it's sink or swim as the rookie plays out the season and gets the 1's from day one next year?

    Manziel finishes. Pettine had no hesitation in saying who's starting next week.

    But 2 more games like that and he won't get the #1s next year.

  • T TexasAg1969

    So here's the question. Do you as Pettine and the staff admit you brought him in too soon and restart BH the rest of the games going back to the original plan? Or do you decide it's sink or swim as the rookie plays out the season and gets the 1's from day one next year?

    @texasag1969 said:

    So here's the question. Do you as Pettine and the staff admit you brought him in too soon and restart BH the rest of the games going back to the original plan? Or do you decide it's sink or swim as the rookie plays out the season and gets the 1's from day one next year?

    False choice...

    JM's for the balance of 2014. Results to influence degree of competition in 2015 TC.

    EDIT: Damn... just got a flag for "piling on".

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @texasag1969 said:

    So here's the question. Do you as Pettine and the staff admit you brought him in too soon and restart BH the rest of the games going back to the original plan? Or do you decide it's sink or swim as the rookie plays out the season and gets the 1's from day one next year?

    False choice...

    JM's for the balance of 2014. Results to influence degree of competition in 2015 TC.

    EDIT: Damn... just got a flag for "piling on".

    @tour2ma said:

    JM's for the balance of 2014. Results to influence degree of competition in 2015 TC.

    EDIT: Damn... just got a flag for "piling on".

    Looks like a consensus.

    Start Johnny the next 2 games, because it's time to see what he can do.

    If he's as bad as the first game, then no way he gets "handed" the team. He will, however, get handed some form of competition at next years camp.

    And if he shows measurable improvement, then he can go into camp as the "favorite"....but I think thats all he gets.....he'll have to earn the rest.

    In the end, he may get lucky like Hoyer did and just win by default..... If no one offers any real competition(like he didn't do for Hoyer), then he could play terrible and still be the starter....right?

    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • With the season pretty much over, give Manziel the rest of the starts to see what he can do, if he sucks balls, then you make moves in the offseason.

    tiamat63T 1 Reply

  • First thing I'd do is sign this guy to a contract, bring him to the next practice, and ask the players on the field at the time this happened why they weren't doing the same thing

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @tour2ma said:

    JM's for the balance of 2014. Results to influence degree of competition in 2015 TC.

    EDIT: Damn... just got a flag for "piling on".

    Looks like a consensus.

    Start Johnny the next 2 games, because it's time to see what he can do.

    If he's as bad as the first game, then no way he gets "handed" the team. He will, however, get handed some form of competition at next years camp.

    And if he shows measurable improvement, then he can go into camp as the "favorite"....but I think thats all he gets.....he'll have to earn the rest.

    In the end, he may get lucky like Hoyer did and just win by default..... If no one offers any real competition(like he didn't do for Hoyer), then he could play terrible and still be the starter....right?

    @mudfly said:

    In the end, he may get lucky like Hoyer did and just win by default..... If no one offers any real competition(like he didn't do for Hoyer), then he could play terrible and still be the starter....right?

    There will be a vet in camp. I do not doubt that. What vet? No idea.

    Also do not doubt that there will be a rook, a mid/late rounder... maybe UDFA, but in any case a project, a Connor Shaw.

    So real competition for now question is: how big of a factor will Connor be?

    Agree?

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  • I am expecting everyone calling for blowing everything up and start over again. New coaches new players new owners. That is what most are used to.

  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite

    With the season pretty much over, give Manziel the rest of the starts to see what he can do, if he sucks balls, then you make moves in the offseason.

    @walterwhite said:

    With the season pretty much over, give Manziel the rest of the starts to see what he can do, if he sucks balls, then you make moves in the offseason.

    That's a good message to send to the team.

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