Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Watching that debacle yesterday made me wonder if the vets on the offensive (and they were truly offensive in every sense of the word) intentionally non-blocked that way to take Manzel down a notch. He gets great press, his jersey is #1 but they wanted to remind him to be a team player. No punk kid is better than us. Bunch of morons and to put this loss on Manziel takes mentally deficient thinking.
Looks like they were paid to play that way because I haven't seen them play that pitifully all year.
No more "Sunday ticket" for me. Watching JJ Watt locally is a damn sight more fun than watching the Brown's games this year (except for the Thurs Bungles game). The only way the wife originally agreed to it was the Aeros hockey club was forced out of town by the Rocket's owner ($ 40,000 rent a game for an AHL team).
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The Browns played competitive ball for 14 weeks before today's chit show. The only change.
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This change was suppose to make us better, instead we took focking 3 steps back. Season over.
The Browns played competitive ball for 14 weeks before today's chit show. The only change.
QB
This change was suppose to make us better, instead we took focking 3 steps back. Season over.
In the past 50 games when the defense scored twice the team lost. The Browns did it both times.
Hoyer lost to Jacksonville (2-12), no was trounced - he was trounced by Houston (7 - 7) (by another SEC quarterback), trounced by the Bills (8 - 6) (JFF scored the only TD) and lost to the Colts with the D scoring twice. Sorry guys, if that doesn't suck then I don't know what does.
Oh I guess beating the Titans (2 - 12), Falcons (5 - 9) and Saints (5 - 8 - 1) on the last play is really competitive.
Jesus Christ. What the hell do you people look at up there. Serious brain freeze has given y'all shortened memories.
Competitive is hardly the name for how we have played all year.
The cardiac kids were fun to watch with Sipe pulling out games by a different miracle every week. This is painful similar to a cold sore.
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So the members who were calling for Manziel when Hoyer was starting now want all to fall in line like good little Browns' fans and "back our starter?"
Interesting...
So the members who were calling for Manziel when Hoyer was starting now want all to fall in line like good little Browns' fans and "back our starter?"
Interesting...
And if we don't support the current starter we should find a new team to root for.
Amazing how opinions change when the shoe is on the other foot.
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The Browns played competitive ball for 14 weeks before today's chit show. The only change.
QB
This change was suppose to make us better, instead we took focking 3 steps back. Season over.
In the past 50 games when the defense scored twice the team lost. The Browns did it both times.
Hoyer lost to Jacksonville (2-12), no was trounced - he was trounced by Houston (7 - 7) (by another SEC quarterback), trounced by the Bills (8 - 6) (JFF scored the only TD) and lost to the Colts with the D scoring twice. Sorry guys, if that doesn't suck then I don't know what does.
Oh I guess beating the Titans (2 - 12), Falcons (5 - 9) and Saints (5 - 8 - 1) on the last play is really competitive.
Jesus Christ. What the hell do you people look at up there. Serious brain freeze has given y'all shortened memories.
Competitive is hardly the name for how we have played all year.
The cardiac kids were fun to watch with Sipe pulling out games by a different miracle every week. This is painful similar to a cold sore.
In the past 50 games when the defense scored twice the team lost. The Browns did it both times.
Hoyer lost to Jacksonville (2-12), no was trounced - he was trounced by Houston (7 - 7) (by another SEC quarterback), trounced by the Bills (8 - 6) (JFF scored the only TD) and lost to the Colts with the D scoring twice. Sorry guys, if that doesn't suck then I don't know what does.
Oh I guess beating the Titans (2 - 12), Falcons (5 - 9) and Saints (5 - 8 - 1) on the last play is really competitive.
Jesus Christ. What the hell do you people look at up there. Serious brain freeze has given y'all shortened memories.
Competitive is hardly the name for how we have played all year.
The cardiac kids were fun to watch with Sipe pulling out games by a different miracle every week. This is painful similar to a cold sore.
The fuck are u babbling about. The team is 7-7 and u question whether they have been competitive all year?? Wow. I've hooked my wagon to some real donkey qbs in the past but never have I suggested the oline letting rushers thru to send a message. This isn't the California penal leagues Vaughn. Eat Ur Fucking crow and move on with all Ur 11 posts and root for them Texans dipshit.
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The Browns played competitive ball for 14 weeks before today's chit show. The only change.
QB
This change was suppose to make us better, instead we took focking 3 steps back. Season over.
In the past 50 games when the defense scored twice the team lost. The Browns did it both times.
Hoyer lost to Jacksonville (2-12), no was trounced - he was trounced by Houston (7 - 7) (by another SEC quarterback), trounced by the Bills (8 - 6) (JFF scored the only TD) and lost to the Colts with the D scoring twice. Sorry guys, if that doesn't suck then I don't know what does.
Oh I guess beating the Titans (2 - 12), Falcons (5 - 9) and Saints (5 - 8 - 1) on the last play is really competitive.
Jesus Christ. What the hell do you people look at up there. Serious brain freeze has given y'all shortened memories.
Competitive is hardly the name for how we have played all year.
The cardiac kids were fun to watch with Sipe pulling out games by a different miracle every week. This is painful similar to a cold sore.
Jesus Christ. What the hell do you people look at up there. Serious brain freeze has given y'all shortened memories.
Competitive is hardly the name for how we have played all year.
The cardiac kids were fun to watch with Sipe pulling out games by a different miracle every week. This is painful similar to a cold sore.
I think competitive is exactly the word. Unfortunately in our case it included a heavy dose of "playing to the level of the competition."
Some of our losses don't look as bad as they once did.
Bills just dumped the Pack. Their D made Rodgers look pretty bad.
ATL has gotten tougher as of late. Have won and just gave both the Packers and the Steelers a good game.
Some of our wins do not look as good as they once did. Maybe it all evens out.
Anyway... season started with many (me) looking for 8-8. Even I got carried away little by our early success, but was not to be, if for no other reason than lack of depth. That, I believe, will be fixed.
Anyway... with JM (if JM) in 2015 won't likely need Sunday Ticket much anyway. And should we... there's always a local sports bar.
Go Browns...
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All I heard all week was that Shanny would call plays to Johnny's strengths. Well that didn't happen
No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses. But yet that's what we did.
I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME
Just what passing plays do not require reads? Roll outs simply cut the field in half.
And then there's the pre-snap reads that include line calls. Not sure if BH had been involved in those, but I am pretty sure JM was not. Still want to see this asked.
Just what passing plays do not require reads? Roll outs simply cut the field in half.
And then there's the pre-snap reads that include line calls. Not sure if BH had been involved in those, but I am pretty sure JM was not. Still want to see this asked.
If Manziel was at least partly responsible for the line calls- he missed a few that got him killed. Any assertion that his o-line did the Ole! Matador thing to "teach him a lesson" is out of their damn mind.
More than wow lacking, what worries me is the number of passes not made on time in a timing offense.
With a little tape help from ESPN's 6PM crew I'll make a few comments. Johnny had the lowest total qbr of the week. 1, that's right ONE- doesn't really surprise me all that much- I don't know if zero is possible in their system, be he probably would have deserved it.
So let's break down what was said first. That third down pass to Hawins? Late. Gave the CB time to break up the pass. Both the ints came when he was running, didn't put much zip on the pass and didn't anticipate the CB making a break on the ball. He was high on a lot of his throws- a recipe to get your wrs killed. The overthrow to (can't remember) a wide open either Dray or Cameron sailed way over their head- he's lucky there wasn't a defender in the area, or it would have been another pick.
So my 0.02- first start- the speed of the game was WAY too fast for Johnny. As I suggested to the Manzealots- his scrambling around and chucking it up for his wr to make a play on it won't fly in the NFL. He obviously underestimated how fast an NFL level CB can close on a play. When he let his passes go on both ints- the receiver initially looked open- whoops, JF- they weren't. Manziel also got a rude lesson on just how fast defensive NFL linemen can move when they're playing at game speed. Yeah- it's one game- and a bad one at that. I hope Johnny learns from his mistakes- because that level of play just isn't acceptable.
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I think Brandon Weedon looked better on his first start, and on a lot worse team.
At this point might as well let Midge finish the season, but if he looks like he does after another two games, I wouldn't commit a season next season.
There was a reason that Brady Quinn slipped in the draft. There might be a reason Colt Manziel slid, too. And we probably didn't need to trade up to get him....
You might be a Retard. On his first start, Weeden threw 4 picks and got stuck underneath the flag.
You might be a Retard. On his first start, Weeden threw 4 picks.
Compare him to Roethlisberger's rookie start, or Flacco's or Dalton's.
Or, compare him to Terry Bradshaw, who sucked for his first 4 seasons.
Johnny looked like a college QB, who showed up for an NFL game.
I don't care if he is the same size as Drew Brees and Russel Wilson coz he looked like a little kid out there.
He reminds me more of an Antwaan Ranle El type of college QB, who gets picked high, but can't play the position at the NFL level.
Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24. -
Montana's footwork was flawless. Haslam has some scratch, throw Joe Cool a couple bones to coach up the youngster. At least a lesson or two.
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Montana's footwork was flawless. Haslam has some scratch, throw Joe Cool a couple bones to coach up the youngster. At least a lesson or two.
Montana's footwork was flawless. Haslam has some scratch, throw Joe Cool a couple bones to coach up the youngster. At least a lesson or two.
Worked out well for tebow. If you don't have the fundamentals down by the NFL, it's doubtful you'll ever get them right.
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Manziel can't be bothered to be coached up. He needs to party instead.
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Maybe Manziel shouldn't had partied so hard the night before the Manning training camp a few years back which forced him to skip it entirely.
I believe "footwork" was one of the key aspects of the camp.
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Maybe Manziel shouldn't had partied so hard the night before the Manning training camp a few years back which forced him to skip it entirely.
I believe "footwork" was one of the key aspects of the camp.
Maybe Manziel shouldn't had partied so hard the night before the Manning training camp a few years months back which forced him to skip it entirely.
I believe "footwork" was one of the key aspects of the camp.
fixed.
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You might be a Retard. On his first start, Weeden threw 4 picks.
Compare him to Roethlisberger's rookie start, or Flacco's or Dalton's.
Or, compare him to Terry Bradshaw, who sucked for his first 4 seasons.
Johnny looked like a college QB, who showed up for an NFL game.
I don't care if he is the same size as Drew Brees and Russel Wilson coz he looked like a little kid out there.
He reminds me more of an Antwaan Ranle El type of college QB, who gets picked high, but can't play the position at the NFL level.
Compare him to Roethlisberger's rookie start, or Flacco's or Dalton's.
Or, compare him to Terry Bradshaw, who sucked for his first 4 seasons.
Johnny looked like a college QB, who showed up for an NFL game.
I don't care if he is the same size as Drew Brees and Russel Wilson coz he looked like a little kid out there.
He reminds me more of an Antwaan Ranle El type of college QB, who gets picked high, but can't play the position at the NFL level.
That is one bold statement
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The gay cliche is you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but he's a fucking rookie. That said, watch the Walsh-Montana practice videos on YouTube. I hated the Niners as a kid, but looking back, their attention to detail is legendary. Best case scenario he ends up the next Joe Montana. Worst case, Tony Montana.
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only way manziel's skillset will translate to the NFL is if the FO and coaching staff build an offense around him that suits his game. that means rebuilding and years of drafting and FA signings, and even then there's no guarantee he just wouldn't flop.
did you see him out on the field? he truly looked like a little kid with giants around him. wasn't even funny.
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He gonna wreck this team, I mean league.
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Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this
level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
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Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this
level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this
level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
Fuck Mariotta. He'll be the next gimmick in the league.
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Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this
level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
I think this belongs in the Johnny Excuses thread?
Buffalo's top 10 defense forced him to fumble in the end zone.
Buffalo's 2nd string defense played cover 3 prevent and he still made incorrect reads on the plays. (Forced in to dray, nearly picked when West was wide open on the left sideline, missed a wide open Gabriel).
Regardless, whenever we see all the things he can't do are we just going to remember that one garbage time drive against buffalo to make us feel better?
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Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this
level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
he scored on their scrubs.
pleeeeeeez.
keep dreaming.
hey who knows he could turn into joe montana sunday!
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