Jonathan Paul Manziel
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All I heard all week was that Shanny would call plays to Johnny's strengths. Well that didn't happen
No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses. But yet that's what we did.
I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME
Just what passing plays do not require reads? Roll outs simply cut the field in half.
And then there's the pre-snap reads that include line calls. Not sure if BH had been involved in those, but I am pretty sure JM was not. Still want to see this asked.
Just what passing plays do not require reads? Roll outs simply cut the field in half.
And then there's the pre-snap reads that include line calls. Not sure if BH had been involved in those, but I am pretty sure JM was not. Still want to see this asked.
If Manziel was at least partly responsible for the line calls- he missed a few that got him killed. Any assertion that his o-line did the Ole! Matador thing to "teach him a lesson" is out of their damn mind.
More than wow lacking, what worries me is the number of passes not made on time in a timing offense.
With a little tape help from ESPN's 6PM crew I'll make a few comments. Johnny had the lowest total qbr of the week. 1, that's right ONE- doesn't really surprise me all that much- I don't know if zero is possible in their system, be he probably would have deserved it.
So let's break down what was said first. That third down pass to Hawins? Late. Gave the CB time to break up the pass. Both the ints came when he was running, didn't put much zip on the pass and didn't anticipate the CB making a break on the ball. He was high on a lot of his throws- a recipe to get your wrs killed. The overthrow to (can't remember) a wide open either Dray or Cameron sailed way over their head- he's lucky there wasn't a defender in the area, or it would have been another pick.
So my 0.02- first start- the speed of the game was WAY too fast for Johnny. As I suggested to the Manzealots- his scrambling around and chucking it up for his wr to make a play on it won't fly in the NFL. He obviously underestimated how fast an NFL level CB can close on a play. When he let his passes go on both ints- the receiver initially looked open- whoops, JF- they weren't. Manziel also got a rude lesson on just how fast defensive NFL linemen can move when they're playing at game speed. Yeah- it's one game- and a bad one at that. I hope Johnny learns from his mistakes- because that level of play just isn't acceptable.
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I think Brandon Weedon looked better on his first start, and on a lot worse team.
At this point might as well let Midge finish the season, but if he looks like he does after another two games, I wouldn't commit a season next season.
There was a reason that Brady Quinn slipped in the draft. There might be a reason Colt Manziel slid, too. And we probably didn't need to trade up to get him....
You might be a Retard. On his first start, Weeden threw 4 picks and got stuck underneath the flag.
You might be a Retard. On his first start, Weeden threw 4 picks.
Compare him to Roethlisberger's rookie start, or Flacco's or Dalton's.
Or, compare him to Terry Bradshaw, who sucked for his first 4 seasons.
Johnny looked like a college QB, who showed up for an NFL game.
I don't care if he is the same size as Drew Brees and Russel Wilson coz he looked like a little kid out there.
He reminds me more of an Antwaan Ranle El type of college QB, who gets picked high, but can't play the position at the NFL level.
Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24. -
Montana's footwork was flawless. Haslam has some scratch, throw Joe Cool a couple bones to coach up the youngster. At least a lesson or two.
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Montana's footwork was flawless. Haslam has some scratch, throw Joe Cool a couple bones to coach up the youngster. At least a lesson or two.
Montana's footwork was flawless. Haslam has some scratch, throw Joe Cool a couple bones to coach up the youngster. At least a lesson or two.
Worked out well for tebow. If you don't have the fundamentals down by the NFL, it's doubtful you'll ever get them right.
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Manziel can't be bothered to be coached up. He needs to party instead.
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Maybe Manziel shouldn't had partied so hard the night before the Manning training camp a few years back which forced him to skip it entirely.
I believe "footwork" was one of the key aspects of the camp.
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Maybe Manziel shouldn't had partied so hard the night before the Manning training camp a few years back which forced him to skip it entirely.
I believe "footwork" was one of the key aspects of the camp.
Maybe Manziel shouldn't had partied so hard the night before the Manning training camp a few years months back which forced him to skip it entirely.
I believe "footwork" was one of the key aspects of the camp.
fixed.
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You might be a Retard. On his first start, Weeden threw 4 picks.
Compare him to Roethlisberger's rookie start, or Flacco's or Dalton's.
Or, compare him to Terry Bradshaw, who sucked for his first 4 seasons.
Johnny looked like a college QB, who showed up for an NFL game.
I don't care if he is the same size as Drew Brees and Russel Wilson coz he looked like a little kid out there.
He reminds me more of an Antwaan Ranle El type of college QB, who gets picked high, but can't play the position at the NFL level.
Compare him to Roethlisberger's rookie start, or Flacco's or Dalton's.
Or, compare him to Terry Bradshaw, who sucked for his first 4 seasons.
Johnny looked like a college QB, who showed up for an NFL game.
I don't care if he is the same size as Drew Brees and Russel Wilson coz he looked like a little kid out there.
He reminds me more of an Antwaan Ranle El type of college QB, who gets picked high, but can't play the position at the NFL level.
That is one bold statement
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The gay cliche is you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but he's a fucking rookie. That said, watch the Walsh-Montana practice videos on YouTube. I hated the Niners as a kid, but looking back, their attention to detail is legendary. Best case scenario he ends up the next Joe Montana. Worst case, Tony Montana.
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only way manziel's skillset will translate to the NFL is if the FO and coaching staff build an offense around him that suits his game. that means rebuilding and years of drafting and FA signings, and even then there's no guarantee he just wouldn't flop.
did you see him out on the field? he truly looked like a little kid with giants around him. wasn't even funny.
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He gonna wreck this team, I mean league.
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Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this
level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
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Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this
level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this
level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
Fuck Mariotta. He'll be the next gimmick in the league.
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Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this
level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
I think this belongs in the Johnny Excuses thread?
Buffalo's top 10 defense forced him to fumble in the end zone.
Buffalo's 2nd string defense played cover 3 prevent and he still made incorrect reads on the plays. (Forced in to dray, nearly picked when West was wide open on the left sideline, missed a wide open Gabriel).
Regardless, whenever we see all the things he can't do are we just going to remember that one garbage time drive against buffalo to make us feel better?
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Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this
level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
he scored on their scrubs.
pleeeeeeez.
keep dreaming.
hey who knows he could turn into joe montana sunday!
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Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
he scored on their scrubs.
pleeeeeeez.
keep dreaming.
hey who knows he could turn into joe montana sunday!
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We've heard plenty about Aikman and both Mannings etc etc and how they struggled in their first NFL starts.
Here's a list that is Manziels true comparisons at this point. This is the talent level that he's in at this point.
NFL QB's to be shut out in their first NFL start in the last 20 years:
2014 Johnny Manziel
2010 Rusty Smith (who??) Titans
2003 Dave Ragone (seriously who???) Texans
2002 Henry Burris (LOL) Bears
2000 Spergon Wynn (will always be able to say he was drafted ahead of Brady) Browns
1997 Danny Wuerffel (Heisman Winning College gimmick QB) Saints
So that's the company our first round draft pick is in and we're supposed to have patience for this clown?
Fuck him and his homo fagboy fans that have been showing up here since we drafted him.
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Buffalo has a way tougher D and Manziel led the team to a TD on first drive, the difference was the Buffalo D didn't
know what was coming and Manziel was READY to go and play.
This game he went down 0-7, then 0-17. Shannahan and co. did not help him become settled in the game.
Only player ever who might've had a shot as a rookie first start in that situation would be A.Luck.
He did make terrible throws and late reads but thats something most rooks need to get out of their system at this
level. He's still a kid.
I believe in JF.. and if not then Mariota because we need someone who can SLANG the rock, but only if Johnny
Football isn't Cleveland's R. Wilson.
... Manziel was READY to go and play.
If that was so against Buffalo, then can we conclude that he was over prepared to face the Bengals?
The gay cliche is you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but he's a fucking rookie. That said, watch the Walsh-Montana practice videos on YouTube. I hated the Niners as a kid, but looking back, their attention to detail is legendary. Best case scenario he ends up the next Joe Montana. Worst case, Tony Montana.
Just remembered that JM spent pre-Pro Day time with QB guru, George Whitfield Jr.
I remember a breakthrough occurred when George had Johnny add his pinky to his grip on the laces.
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You can have as little patience as you want. I doubt Johnny cares either way.
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You can have as little patience as you want. I doubt Johnny cares either way.
Cause he's got his $8 million contract and rich parents.I hope he doesn't flame out- but if he does- he'll be the biggest NFL overhyped bust since Brian Bosworth.
Any way you care to spin it- that was an epically bad first start. Even got a bunch of us more level headed guys sucked in based on the small sample size against the Bills. No longer.
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