Bernie's take
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You had to post it again?
Bernie has no inside information on how the browns are run. He's bitter he isn't a part of the organization.
Love him or not, his take is based on bias and no real information or experience.
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Interesting. I have been scratching my head since Sunday wondering how the Browns staff could have gotten it so wrong. Clearly Sunday was NOT the time to put in a player who was in over his head. How could they have thought that he was ready? How could they have been so impatient now, when all teams are in playoff mode, to throw him to the wolves when they had been so patiently bringing him along to learn how to be a pro QB? Maybe what Bernie says has more merit than just first glance. It's far easier to just denigrate another Browns QB because it has now become "tradition". It's been obvious on this board from the moment he was drafted that he was getting the usual "Browns" welcome to the NFL, the place the rest of the nation jokingly refers to as the city where QB's come to die. Either properly let him grow into the position or trade him to someone like Dallas or Green Bay who will.
JFF has justifiably had to eat a plate full of humble pie this week. How about the staff give him a break and not make him eat two more plates full before making a premature decision for his long term future? And I agree with Bernie, it's far easier just to write off another QB rather than to look within to see what is wrong with a system that has eaten up 21 and counting since return to Cleveland.
George Santayana. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana (16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain – 26 September 1952 in Rome, Italy) was a philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist.
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You had to post it again?
Bernie has no inside information on how the browns are run. He's bitter he isn't a part of the organization.
Love him or not, his take is based on bias and no real information or experience.
You had to post it again?
Bernie has no inside information on how the browns are run. He's bitter he isn't a part of the organization.
Love him or not, his take is based on bias and no real information or experience.
The man was an elite NFL quarterback for many years and played for two organizations that were successful, and we're to dismiss his observations? "No real information or experience?" OK, what "real information and experience" in the NFL do YOU have?
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Interesting. I have been scratching my head since Sunday wondering how the Browns staff could have gotten it so wrong. Clearly Sunday was NOT the time to put in a player who was in over his head. How could they have thought that he was ready? How could they have been so impatient now, when all teams are in playoff mode, to throw him to the wolves when they had been so patiently bringing him along to learn how to be a pro QB? Maybe what Bernie says has more merit than just first glance. It's far easier to just denigrate another Browns QB because it has now become "tradition". It's been obvious on this board from the moment he was drafted that he was getting the usual "Browns" welcome to the NFL, the place the rest of the nation jokingly refers to as the city where QB's come to die. Either properly let him grow into the position or trade him to someone like Dallas or Green Bay who will.
JFF has justifiably had to eat a plate full of humble pie this week. How about the staff give him a break and not make him eat two more plates full before making a premature decision for his long term future? And I agree with Bernie, it's far easier just to write off another QB rather than to look within to see what is wrong with a system that has eaten up 21 and counting since return to Cleveland.
George Santayana. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana (16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain – 26 September 1952 in Rome, Italy) was a philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist.
Interesting. I have been scratching my head since Sunday wondering how the Browns staff could have gotten it so wrong. Clearly Sunday was NOT the time to put in a player who was in over his head. How could they have thought that he was? How could they have been so impatient now, when all teams are in playoff mode, to throw him to the wolves when they had been so patiently bringing him along to learn how to be a pro QB? Maybe what Bernie says has more merit that just first glance. It's far easier to just denigrate another Browns QB because it has now become "tradition". It's been obvious on this board from the moment he was drafted that he was getting the usual "Browns" welcome to the NFL, the place the rest of the nation jokingly refers to the city where QB's come to die. Either properly let him grow into the position or trade him to someone like Dallas or Green Bay who will.
JFF has justifiably had to eat a plate full of humble pie this week. How about the staff give him a break and not make him eat two more plates full before making a premature decision for his long term future?
Bingo! And even three games isn't enough. Why the chronic impatience in Browns Town? No team goes from mediocre to the top in a few weeks.
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It shows that either Pettine was told by Jimmy to put in JFF or that he is not an intelligent coach. I agree putting in JFF now was idiotic. Especially with playoffs still a possibility. I have a feeling there was a strong suggestion from Jimmy to put in JFF.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
It shows that either Pettine was told by Jimmy to put in JFF or that he is not an intelligent coach. I agree putting in JFF now was idiotic. Especially with playoffs still a possibility. I have a feeling there was a strong suggestion from Jimmy to put in JFF.
It shows that either Pettine was told by Jimmy to put in JFF or that he is not an intelligent coach. I agree putting in JFF now was idiotic. Especially with playoffs still a possibility. I have a feeling there was a strong suggestion from Jimmy to put in JFF.
I'm sure you're right. It's like a firing squad - 5 guns, 3 blanks, no one's guilty.
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You had to post it again?
Bernie has no inside information on how the browns are run. He's bitter he isn't a part of the organization.
Love him or not, his take is based on bias and no real information or experience.
The man was an elite NFL quarterback for many years and played for two organizations that were successful, and we're to dismiss his observations? "No real information or experience?" OK, what "real information and experience" in the NFL do YOU have?
His observations are about just as informed as yours are...or mine.The man was an elite NFL quarterback for many years and played for two organizations that were successful, and we're to dismiss his observations? "No real information or experience?" OK, what "real information and experience" in the NFL do YOU have?
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His observations are about just as informed as yours are...or mine.The man was an elite NFL quarterback for many years and played for two organizations that were successful, and we're to dismiss his observations? "No real information or experience?" OK, what "real information and experience" in the NFL do YOU have?
His observations are about just as informed as yours are...or mine.
If you believe that then you need to primp in front of a mirror a little more. I for one think his observations deserve a lot more merit that any armchair quarterback, you and me included. At least he walked the walk and should be given due respect for that alone.
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It shows that either Pettine was told by Jimmy to put in JFF or that he is not an intelligent coach. I agree putting in JFF now was idiotic. Especially with playoffs still a possibility. I have a feeling there was a strong suggestion from Jimmy to put in JFF.
Well I think the Cincinnati Bengals were pissed off and playing over their heads even though they are a darn good team. They wanted to stick it to the Cleveland Browns for embarrassing them in their own house and would have done this to Brian Hoyer or Joe Montana.It shows that either Pettine was told by Jimmy to put in JFF or that he is not an intelligent coach. I agree putting in JFF now was idiotic. Especially with playoffs still a possibility. I have a feeling there was a strong suggestion from Jimmy to put in JFF.
And yes Bernie played in the NFL many years ago and no he has absolutely no clue what's going on in the front office or locker room today.
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how many people who are spouting nonsense now about it was too early to put in manziel said earlier in the year "wait til hoyer fucks up cuz johnny IS going to play this year!" even all the pundits said as we all knew that the FO wanted to see at some point what manziel had AND THAT AIN'T IN PRACTICE.
get over it, the kid blew chunks. maybe this sunday he won't. who knows. but if you don't think this is a 3 game audition for what happens next year, you're all kidding yourself.
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Well no matter who you hate or who you love its a bad time for an audition.
Without much hope of a playoff berth it always seems the players with cuts and bruises just take off the rest of the season. If coach has them fired up to try and salvage a little respect I will be very impressed with him.
As far as whether or not it was too early I can guarantee you had brian played and had a similar result coach would be getting shit for not pulling the trigger.
WSS
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If manziel didn't suck, there isn't even all of this.
Everybody that agreed with switching to manziel is now saying it was a mistake by a dysfunctional organization? Why didn't anybody say that before the switch was made.
If hoyer played and sucked Sunday it would have been the same thing.
Whatever, just get rid of the elf and end all of the nonsense he brought.
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If manziel didn't suck, there isn't even all of this.
Everybody that agreed with switching to manziel is now saying it was a mistake by a dysfunctional organization? Why didn't anybody say that before the switch was made.
If hoyer played and sucked Sunday it would have been the same thing.
Whatever, just get rid of the elf and end all of the nonsense he brought.
If manziel didn't suck, there isn't even all of this.
Everybody that agreed with switching to manziel is now saying it was a mistake by a dysfunctional organization? Why didn't anybody say that before the switch was made.
>>>because there are a lot of fans and media members that don't know shit from shinola. And that includes me. PS I don't think the switch had jack shit to do with it.<<<
If hoyer played and sucked Sunday it would have been the same thing.
Whatever, just get rid of the elf and end all of the nonsense he brought.
WSS
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Interesting. I have been scratching my head since Sunday wondering how the Browns staff could have gotten it so wrong. Clearly Sunday was NOT the time to put in a player who was in over his head. How could they have thought that he was ready? How could they have been so impatient now, when all teams are in playoff mode, to throw him to the wolves when they had been so patiently bringing him along to learn how to be a pro QB? Maybe what Bernie says has more merit than just first glance. It's far easier to just denigrate another Browns QB because it has now become "tradition". It's been obvious on this board from the moment he was drafted that he was getting the usual "Browns" welcome to the NFL, the place the rest of the nation jokingly refers to as the city where QB's come to die. Either properly let him grow into the position or trade him to someone like Dallas or Green Bay who will.
JFF has justifiably had to eat a plate full of humble pie this week. How about the staff give him a break and not make him eat two more plates full before making a premature decision for his long term future? And I agree with Bernie, it's far easier just to write off another QB rather than to look within to see what is wrong with a system that has eaten up 21 and counting since return to Cleveland.
George Santayana. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana (16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain – 26 September 1952 in Rome, Italy) was a philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist.
Interesting. I have been scratching my head since Sunday wondering how the Browns staff could have gotten it so wrong. Clearly Sunday was NOT the time to put in a player who was in over his head. How could they have thought that he was ready? How could they have been so impatient now, when all teams are in playoff mode, to throw him to the wolves when they had been so patiently bringing him along to learn how to be a pro QB? Maybe what Bernie says has more merit than just first glance. It's far easier to just denigrate another Browns QB because it has now become "tradition". It's been obvious on this board from the moment he was drafted that he was getting the usual "Browns" welcome to the NFL, the place the rest of the nation jokingly refers to as the city where QB's come to die. Either properly let him grow into the position or trade him to someone like Dallas or Green Bay who will.
JFF has justifiably had to eat a plate full of humble pie this week. How about the staff give him a break and not make him eat two more plates full before making a premature decision for his long term future? And I agree with Bernie, it's far easier just to write off another QB rather than to look within to see what is wrong with a system that has eaten up 21 and counting since return to Cleveland.
George Santayana. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana (16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain – 26 September 1952 in Rome, Italy) was a philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist.
When should they have brought him in? He's had all year to learn the playbook and prepare. By his own admission he did not do so. He had the luxury that most 1st round QBs do not get in this era of the NFL, a generous amount of time to learn.
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Interesting. I have been scratching my head since Sunday wondering how the Browns staff could have gotten it so wrong. Clearly Sunday was NOT the time to put in a player who was in over his head. How could they have thought that he was ready? How could they have been so impatient now, when all teams are in playoff mode, to throw him to the wolves when they had been so patiently bringing him along to learn how to be a pro QB? Maybe what Bernie says has more merit than just first glance. It's far easier to just denigrate another Browns QB because it has now become "tradition". It's been obvious on this board from the moment he was drafted that he was getting the usual "Browns" welcome to the NFL, the place the rest of the nation jokingly refers to as the city where QB's come to die. Either properly let him grow into the position or trade him to someone like Dallas or Green Bay who will.
JFF has justifiably had to eat a plate full of humble pie this week. How about the staff give him a break and not make him eat two more plates full before making a premature decision for his long term future? And I agree with Bernie, it's far easier just to write off another QB rather than to look within to see what is wrong with a system that has eaten up 21 and counting since return to Cleveland.
George Santayana. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana (16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain – 26 September 1952 in Rome, Italy) was a philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist.
Interesting. I have been scratching my head since Sunday wondering how the Browns staff could have gotten it so wrong. Clearly Sunday was NOT the time to put in a player who was in over his head. How could they have thought that he was ready? How could they have been so impatient now, when all teams are in playoff mode, to throw him to the wolves when they had been so patiently bringing him along to learn how to be a pro QB? Maybe what Bernie says has more merit than just first glance. It's far easier to just denigrate another Browns QB because it has now become "tradition". It's been obvious on this board from the moment he was drafted that he was getting the usual "Browns" welcome to the NFL, the place the rest of the nation jokingly refers to as the city where QB's come to die. Either properly let him grow into the position or trade him to someone like Dallas or Green Bay who will.
JFF has justifiably had to eat a plate full of humble pie this week. How about the staff give him a break and not make him eat two more plates full before making a premature decision for his long term future? And I agree with Bernie, it's far easier just to write off another QB rather than to look within to see what is wrong with a system that has eaten up 21 and counting since return to Cleveland.
George Santayana. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana (16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain – 26 September 1952 in Rome, Italy) was a philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist.
I rooted for Hoyer to the bitter end (for the time being anyway). I was for the move to JFF after the Indy game.
From the comfort of my living room, I was going with the word from Berea - Johnny is ready. Johnny knows the playbook. Johnny's been a pro. Johnny's been working hard, etc. etc. Ok, I'll believe it. I've got no way to tell otherwise.
Now, if I had thought a week ago, Johnny wasn't ready, didn't know the playbook, was going to be over his head (I could completely understand a few ugly plays and a few poor decisions, but to get what we got Sunday? Whoa, yep, entirely over his head). Now, it's "impatient" and "throwing him to the wolves." Well, shit, no one, no Hoyer fanboy, JFF fanboy, my dad who can recount 1964 as clear as day and wants just one more season like that in his lifetime, whomever, no one wanted that.
It leaves me saying, yep, for the sake of "playing the guy who gives us the best chance to win the game" I guess the coaches, hopefully just the coaches, made the wrong decision. Hopefully the next two Sundays are better and get things at least headed in the right direction. Two, Pettine, seemingly and again from my couch, looked like the last guy who wanted to stick it out with Hoyer and, even presuming JFF would be the leader in the clubhouse to be No. 1 entering 2015, let JFF complete his NFL redshirt year (good for "best chance to win the game" short-term and good for JFF's future long-term), even if letting Hoyer do or die might well have ended up this season 7-9 or 8-8 anyway.
Three, if turning it over to Johnny was "over his head" and "throwing him to the wolves," welp, what was he doing from May-now? Everyone's saying "14 weeks" but, no, his pro, full-time job started in May. At this point, I know about the swan, then I've got what others have said about JFF's practice, professionalism, working hard, etc. Even TMZ shit aside, if the past seven months hasn't made much difference, what gives the franchise confidence about JFF during the next nine months?
Hopefully, JFF and the whole team is better vs. Carolina and Baltimore. A winning record would be cool. Wrecking Baltimore's fucking season in week 17 in their God-forsaken building would endear Johnny to me and a lot of Browns fans for a long time. I can return to giving JFF the optimistic benefit of the doubt. If he starts "wrecking" I'll put an orange and brown swan in my front yard every game day.
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Interesting. I have been scratching my head since Sunday wondering how the Browns staff could have gotten it so wrong. Clearly Sunday was NOT the time to put in a player who was in over his head. How could they have thought that he was ready? How could they have been so impatient now, when all teams are in playoff mode, to throw him to the wolves when they had been so patiently bringing him along to learn how to be a pro QB? Maybe what Bernie says has more merit than just first glance. It's far easier to just denigrate another Browns QB because it has now become "tradition". It's been obvious on this board from the moment he was drafted that he was getting the usual "Browns" welcome to the NFL, the place the rest of the nation jokingly refers to as the city where QB's come to die. Either properly let him grow into the position or trade him to someone like Dallas or Green Bay who will.
JFF has justifiably had to eat a plate full of humble pie this week. How about the staff give him a break and not make him eat two more plates full before making a premature decision for his long term future? And I agree with Bernie, it's far easier just to write off another QB rather than to look within to see what is wrong with a system that has eaten up 21 and counting since return to Cleveland.
George Santayana. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana (16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain – 26 September 1952 in Rome, Italy) was a philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist.
When should they have brought him in? He's had all year to learn the playbook and prepare. By his own admission he did not do so. He had the luxury that most 1st round QBs do not get in this era of the NFL, a generous amount of time to learn.
When should they have brought him in? He's had all year to learn the playbook and prepare. By his own admission he did not do so. He had the luxury that most 1st round QBs do not get in this era of the NFL, a generous amount of time to learn.
When do the successful teams bring them in. That si the real question. And not one team this year brought in a rookie QB in the heart of the playoff run with only a week prep with the ones, a process that should have been in place long before you bring any QB in unless injury forces your hand. I said when they did it that it was an unfair thing to do to any rookie, but I hoped he could find a way to overcome front a fundamental management mistake. It proved out to be a mistake that most fans do not see for what it is, just that. Instead we go back to the old tried and true blame the QB Browns method of hang the strawman.
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When should they have brought him in? He's had all year to learn the playbook and prepare. By his own admission he did not do so. He had the luxury that most 1st round QBs do not get in this era of the NFL, a generous amount of time to learn.
When do the successful teams bring them in. That si the real question. And not one team this year brought in a rookie QB in the heart of the playoff run with only a week prep with the ones, a process that should have been in place long before you bring any QB in unless injury forces your hand. I said when they did it that it was an unfair thing to do to any rookie, but I hoped he could find a way to overcome front a fundamental management mistake. It proved out to be a mistake that most fans do not see for what it is, just that. Instead we go back to the old tried and true blame the QB Browns method of hang the strawman.
When do the successful teams bring them in. That si the real question. And not one team this year brought in a rookie QB in the heart of the playoff run with only a week prep with the ones, a process that should have been in place long before you bring any QB in unless injury forces your hand. I said when they did it that it was an unfair thing to do to any rookie, but I hoped he could find a way to overcome front a fundamental management mistake. It proved out to be a mistake that most fans do not see for what it is, just that. Instead we go back to the old tried and true blame the QB Browns method of hang the strawman.
Exactly.
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"long past due organizational controversy" makes no sense here...
for the first half success and then the collapse due largely to injury,
Kosar is wrong imo - passionate yes - but mosty pissed like the rest of us.
this is a first year coaching staff and GM with some good results and a good outlook.
stay the course that is all...
Course? I don't see any course at all now................
Course? I don't see any course at all now................
watch Sunday afternoon then...
If manziel didn't suck, there isn't even all of this.
Everybody that agreed with switching to manziel is now saying it was a mistake by a dysfunctional organization? Why didn't anybody say that before the switch was made.
If hoyer played and sucked Sunday it would have been the same thing.
Whatever, just get rid of the elf and end all of the nonsense he brought.
If they switch back to Hoyer or even Shaw- other than injury to manzelf or because of last Sunday
then you might have a case for dysfunction with the coaching staff?
they must stick with the rookie now.
as far as the "elf" do you mean the sideline mascot?
because you would be an infidel & compared to Art Modell to suggest that the little guy iconic logo be removed.
dont care about the sideline mascot except someone else then would out of a job.
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how many people who are spouting nonsense now about it was too early to put in manziel said earlier in the year "wait til hoyer fucks up cuz johnny IS going to play this year!" even all the pundits said as we all knew that the FO wanted to see at some point what manziel had AND THAT AIN'T IN PRACTICE.
get over it, the kid blew chunks. maybe this sunday he won't. who knows. but if you don't think this is a 3 game audition for what happens next year, you're all kidding yourself.
how many people who are spouting nonsense now about it was too early to put in manziel said earlier in the year "wait til hoyer fucks up cuz johnny IS going to play this year!"
I can guarantee you had brian played and had a similar result coach would be getting shit for not pulling the trigger.
If manziel didn't suck, there isn't even all of this.
Everybody that agreed with switching to manziel is now saying it was a mistake by a dysfunctional organization? Why didn't anybody say that before the switch was made.
exactly.
Mind boggling how people try to deflect his poor play on everybody BUT JFF......it's Pettine, Farmer, Haslam, the O line and the Defense.....not Johnny
Exactly 1 week ago EVERYBODY WANTED JOHNNY.....EVERYBODY!!!!!!!......and now, it was too soon????
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