Jonathan Paul Manziel

OldBrownsFan

You might be right ^^ but I still would have felt alot better about the clowning around if the Browns were up 23-0 and dominating the Bengals at that moment.

Ibleedbrown

I agree, not the end of the world. They should be able to tell something in these next 2 games. His athletic ability is solid, it's the recognition of what's going on past the line that he needs to get much better at.

Flyin J

@browns149 said:
I would disagree on Buf, Wash, TB being set at QB. All 3 are in need of an upgrade at the very least

Im not saying theyre set long term, but the QBs there deserve or will get another year. TB may make a huge QB splash in the draft, but McCown may start over the rookie anyways.

Flyin J

@kennel-club said:
Manziel only cost the Browns Trent Richardson. Compare this to what Washington had to give up to get RG3. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Monetarily the Browns made out pretty good on that #3 pick. They sold a crap ton of Richardson jerseys, then flipped him for Manziel, and I cant imagine what theyve made off royalties from him.

Tour2ma

Yes... Johnny was the fourth and final Horseman, Death.

The first, Conquest, was Couch.

The second, War, was Quinn.

The third, Famine, Wheezy.

The set is now complete. If Johnny fails, then comes the rapture...

Tour2ma

Just a lot of inexperience in our O-line depth.

Nick McDonald was a OG/OT in college and got work at Center with NE. He was only pressed into service after our Vet back-up, Paul McQuistan, SDHL* at RG vs. JAX that saw Greco at Center. Nick was developing before his ankle injury.

Ryan was next up, so we're now 4-deep at Center. And now Ryan is improving.

Besides experience the glaring thing that none of our fill-ins, save Greco, have shown is the strength to play the position.

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* Shit Down His Leg

Browns149

TexasAg1969

BH: Maybe we should go duck hunting tomorrow.

JM: Yeah we both threw enough up there so should be a good day.

BH: Well except for the 4 the DB's ran off with.

larryfine

Maybe they were lauging at the 50 mill that holmgren ripped the browns off for!

Opal312

XxDaBuckeyexX said:
only ten? SD, Den, KC, Pit, Bal, Cin, Ind, NE, Mia, Dal,, Atl, NO, Car, GB, Det, Sea are set. Teams that probably wont make a big move and may be set are Oak, Jax, Buf, NYG, Was, Phi, TB, Min, SF, Ari. Some of those teams may make moves but I believe their QBs still have value. Teams in trouble are Cle, Hou, Ten, NYJ, Chi, Stl.

Living here in Tampa, I know they're going Winston or Mariota. Lovie Smith does not like Glennon and McCown was a bust.

Opal312

@everlastingxxx said:
Id say the Cowboys need to draft a qb soon. Romo is not going to last much longer. Payton Manning is getting old too.

Broncos have Osweiler

Opal312

@kennel-club said:
Manziel only cost the Browns Trent Richardson. Compare this to what Washington had to give up to get RG3. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

You said it. All we gave up is Trent Richardson. So no way is this the end of the world as we know it. I disagreed with the pick but he's only played ONE game with a broken down O line. No one could expect miracles.

Mudfly

@opal312 said:
Living here in Tampa, I know they're going Winston or Mariota. Lovie Smith does not like Glennon and McCown was a bust.

I would at least look at Glennon if they decide cut him loose.....he looked fair for being on a pretty bad team.....

Tour2ma

And I would look at McCown... The 2013 Josh would do us just fine and technically it would not add another name to the jersey.

But if set free, should Trestman survive in CHI, then he goes back there.

Just can't warm up to a Disney Ichabod Crane look-alike...

Lumbergh

@skippinturtles said:
Other than him being a polarizing figure, 1st rd. picks miss all the time. See what he's got. If he sucks, move on.

He does suck and its already time to move on. Just trade him for a 6th rounder and get it over with.

Lumbergh

@ibleedbrown said:
I agree, not the end of the world. They should be able to tell something in these next 2 games. His athletic ability is solid, it's the recognition of what's going on past the line that he needs to get much better at.

He won't learn that in the NFL, he'll just get his ass kicked over and over. He should give the CFL a shot. He'd probably be awesome up there. He could be the next Anthony Calvillo.

DieHardBrownsFan

@lumbergh said:

He does suck and its already time to move on. Just trade him for a 6th rounder and get it over with.

Was hoping DA would start against us so we could kick his ass into the NC turf.

jcam222

@skippinturtles said:
Other than him being a polarizing figure, 1st rd. picks miss all the time. See what he's got. If he sucks, move on.

I hope he ends up being the superstar his groupies on here think he is. If he sucks and we are actually convinced he has no long term potential hopefully in one of these last two games or an early pre season game he lights it up enough to trade.

jcam222

BH: Well Hollywood its a lot harder than you thought isn't it? A rolled up $100 and the Tiny Canadian Pussy Douche didn't help you at all did they?

JM: (pointing his finger laughing): Bryan is there shit on my finger from where it was in my ass??

jcam222

@edwardejw said:

How about these fuck-ups:

Troy Aikman shut out 28 - 0 at New Orleans

Bob Griese shut out 24-0 at home against Miami.

I watched him for 2 years in the SEC and I was glad when he opted for the draft.

I'm here on this board because I couldn't stand to watch Hoyer mess up anymore. I said it before and I'll say it again, y'all have short memories about the struggles the Browns have had all year. How in Heaven's could we get our asses wiped by Jacksonville and struggle to beat the Titans.

Hoyer has not been right since he broke his leg against Buffalo in 2013. This ain't about Johnny, it's about how we suck in all phases of the game - again.

Does EdwardEJW stand for Edward Eats Johnny's Wiener??