John Football Excuses Forum....
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JM will never be a good NFL QB from what I've seen so far. And I've given him more slack then some. His tendency is to take off running and the way he got injured was just plain stupid on his part.
JM will never be a good NFL QB from what I've seen so far. And I've given him more slack then some. His tendency is to take off running and the way he got injured was just plain stupid on his part.
Plus he's too small. He can't see over the line
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Just send him to Dallas C.O.D.
yes pleez.
your excuses are up. love you but if you can't see it then you are just "blinded by the JF".
yes pleez.
your excuses are up. love you but if you can't see it then you are just "blinded by the JF".
I'm semi-serious mik. Jerry would give the Browns a 3rd rounder for him, he'd have a better line to play behind (since he got the injury riddled one here) and he won't be placed into the line of fire way too soon like the Browns said they would not do, but did anyway. Everyone would be happier for it, especially JM. He has gotten one good thing from this experience, a chance to grow up and realize exactly what it takes to be a real NFL QB, something he thought he knew, but obviously did not. Browns could keep Conner Shaw as the backup since most think he is better anyway.
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Forget the skill set... or lack thereof...
As my dearly departed, maternal Grandmother would say...
Johnny Manziel does not have the sense that God gave a goose.
To injure yourself on a meaningless first-down play by taking on two defenders while trying to make it to the sideline for a two-yard loss is unforgivable.
How can you build your team around such a player?
How can you trust him with the keys?
Forget the skill set... or lack thereof...
As my dearly departed, maternal Grandmother would say...
Johnny Manziel does not have the sense that God gave a goose.
To injure yourself on a meaningless first-down play by taking on two defenders while trying to make it to the sideline for a two-yard loss is unforgivable.
How can you build your team around such a player?
How can you trust him with the keys?
Agree, Agree, Agree, unfortunately he'll be the 2015 Starter
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I realize all the Texas JFF followers are licking their chops at the prospect of us trading their beloved JFF to a TX team. But it won't happen. He will be in Cleveland for years. Riding the pine probably.
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Johnny will be the presumed starter next year. He's had five and a half quarters as a starter so far. That's not even enough time to start the beginnings of an evaluation yet. Maybe Johnny will eventually bust out, but we are a long way from finding out
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Zombo said:
Because he scored 3 points in six quarters as the starter and then strained his vagina?
Zombo
No, because in the NFL you don't draft a QB with the 22nd pick and give them 3 career starts. They'll want to see how he progresses through mini-camps, training camp and the preseason. Then when he's 2-6 with flashes of mediocrity and pretty much horrible play, they'll move on.
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I fully expect Manziel with the team next year, and probably as a starter. I mean, I see some improvement, but his development is happening at a jurassic pace. With that said, I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on a third round QB or resigning Hoyer as a backup.
I'd rather use our two first on another OL, a NT, and a safety (Landon Collins?) in the first two rounds. I take pride in the fact that next year, we may very well have the best secondary in the league.
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Zombo said:
Because he scored 3 points in six quarters as the starter and then strained his vagina?
Zombo
No, because in the NFL you don't draft a QB with the 22nd pick and give them 3 career starts. They'll want to see how he progresses through mini-camps, training camp and the preseason. Then when he's 2-6 with flashes of mediocrity and pretty much horrible play, they'll move on.
No, because in the NFL you don't draft a QB with the 22nd pick and give them 3 career starts. They'll want to see how he progresses through mini-camps, training camp and the preseason. Then when he's 2-6 with flashes of mediocrity and pretty much horrible play, they'll move on.
Really, are you in the team brass meetings?
You can bet your ass there will be a veteran in training camp and Johnny will not be presumed anything.
Zombo
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No, because in the NFL you don't draft a QB with the 22nd pick and give them 3 career starts. They'll want to see how he progresses through mini-camps, training camp and the preseason. Then when he's 2-6 with flashes of mediocrity and pretty much horrible play, they'll move on.
Really, are you in the team brass meetings?
You can bet your ass there will be a veteran in training camp and Johnny will not be presumed anything.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Really, are you in the team brass meetings?
You can bet your ass there will be a veteran in training camp and Johnny will not be presumed anything.
Zombo
That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
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Zombo said:
Really, are you in the team brass meetings?
You can bet your ass there will be a veteran in training camp and Johnny will not be presumed anything.
Zombo
That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
and both their teams signs veterans and then pulled them to play the veterans....they surely didn't "get the season to prove themselves", so to speak....
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Zombo said:
Really, are you in the team brass meetings?
You can bet your ass there will be a veteran in training camp and Johnny will not be presumed anything.
Zombo
That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
Every veteran without a #1 job will lick their chops at Cleveland.
Manziel will not be handed anything.
Let's just hope he feels "100%" when the competition starts, or maybe he'll just concede it.
Zombo
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That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
and both their teams signs veterans and then pulled them to play the veterans....they surely didn't "get the season to prove themselves", so to speak....
and both their teams signs veterans and then pulled them to play the veterans....they surely didn't "get the season to prove themselves", so to speak....
Kyle Orton and Michael Vick, they are going nowhere fast.
Geno Smith started 27 games in 2 years 10-17
EJ Manuel started 14 games in 2 years 6-8
I applaud the Bills for realizing 10 games last year and 4 this year were enough with EJ but make no mistake 3 games won't be enough for Manziel
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That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
Every veteran without a #1 job will lick their chops at Cleveland.
Manziel will not be handed anything.
Let's just hope he feels "100%" when the competition starts, or maybe he'll just concede it.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Every veteran without a #1 job will lick their chops at Cleveland.
Manziel will not be handed anything.
Let's just hope he feels "100%" when the competition starts, or maybe he'll just concede it.
Zombo
Like Christian Ponder or Jake Locker?
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Zombo said:
Every veteran without a #1 job will lick their chops at Cleveland.
Manziel will not be handed anything.
Let's just hope he feels "100%" when the competition starts, or maybe he'll just concede it.
Zombo
Like Christian Ponder or Jake Locker?
Like Christian Ponder or Jake Locker?
What about them? Did they score three points in six quarters as a starter, then strain their vagina, go to the sidelines, and then get handed the job the next year?
Zombo
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So much can change in 2 weeks that's for sure.
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Let's revisit the start of the discussion shall we? In response to another member Saint Steve posted:
The money sign is absolutely meaningless. Get over it. WSS
To which I replied:Disagree... I think it's symptomatic of a lot of things, but can set that aside.
What cannot be set aside is the its impact on opponents. Bengals D talked about how the spector of that "meaningless" gesture pumped them up. That they did not want to see it and their play was driven by their desire to not see it.
It's permanent bulletin board material... even if there's nothing new to fuel the fire, there's "the money sign" to fall back upon.And then...
Oh horse shit. You take it seriously because you don't like the kid. What pumped the Bengals up is the fact that we fuck them in the ass in their own house.
It also cost the Cincinnati morons at least one penalty. WSSSo the only absolute position in the "discussion" belonged to The Saint.
The only attempt to label motivation for a position was by The Saint.Steve, it was two divergent opinions.
All I ever said was that I disagree with yours.
There is no winning such a discussion, but, as you showed, you can lose it.
Go Browns...
Let's revisit the start of the discussion shall we? In response to another member Saint Steve posted:
To which I replied:
And then...
So the only absolute position in the "discussion" belonged to The Saint.
The only attempt to label motivation for a position was by The Saint.
Go Browns...
Thanks for realizing that.
WSS
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