Jonathan Paul Manziel

USFBrown

@tour2ma said:

If BLT beats us and KC beats SD, then BLT gets a WildCard slot...

Fuck Manziel... start the guy that gives us the best chance to win... Brian Hoyer.

Let's bid Brian farewell in style by beating the shit outta BLT for our 3rd and final, in division split of 2014.

Go Browns...

Unfortunately I think hoyer is gone. Don't think he'll want to stay around after all this.

If that's the case I wish the guy the best. Brought back exciting football for the first time in seven years.

Therefore I start johnny or shaw. Personally I'd like to see shaw because I've seen enough of show me the money boy. Let's see if shaw is worth keeping. If I knew hoyer was staying I'd say start him.

Tour2ma

@texasag1969 said:
Send him elsewhere. Both he and Cleveland fans will be happier for it. And Cleveland gets to add #22 to that infamous list of QB's. What a legacy it has become!

Works for me...

We'll always have "The Buffalo Drive"... not to mention "The Buffalo (non-)Fumble"...

Tour2ma

I think Hoyer is gone as well... I just want to beat the Ravens.

Zombo

@everlastingxxx said:
Cowboys win the NFC East! Woohoo!

Eat a dick.

Zombo

Zombo

@tour2ma said:
I think Hoyer is gone as well... I just want to beat the Ravens.

Agreed.

Z

Browns149

@tour2ma said:
I think Hoyer is gone as well... I just want to beat the Ravens.

^^^^^

This

Browns149

@everlastingxxx said:
Cowboys win the NFC East! Woohoo!

Romo will find a way to lose the playoff game

tml1138

Ditto. I really wanted to see 8-8 a lock today. I'll take it over the ravens next week. Split the division across the board, end on a win.

cdl15

Hoyer will probably been gone. Sad too. More productive offense then years past. And nearly ever game was watchable.

Hoyer got the short end of stick for sure. Alot of fans acted like we were the cowboys sitting at 7-6 just another season falling apart. bottom line we benched a healthy 7-6 qb in the midst of a playoff chase.

Westside Steve

@tour2ma said:
I think Hoyer is gone as well... I just want to beat the Ravens.

Me too.

Do you thank someone will pay what his agent seems to want?

WSS

tml1138

@texasag1969 said:
Send him elsewhere. Both he and Cleveland fans will be happier for it. And Cleveland gets to add #22 to that infamous list of QB's. What a legacy it has become!

You really think he's been royally screwed by the browns?

Tour2ma

@westside-steve said:
Do you thank someone will pay what his agent seems to want?

Not sure of the latest figures, Steve... $10+? No... $8? Maybe... $6 with incentives? Easily...

We saw Hoyer in microcosm today...

Tough, smart, decisive, limited arm... none of his "footwork demons" showed today that I saw watching live.

He looked "secure" again.

Westside Steve

he seemed better today than he has for a while but not enough to be a high-priced difference maker. I don't think either guy can be evaluated at this point of the season. It's just the team is so decimated and incapable of doing much of anything. It will be interesting to see what happens next season if everyone is healthy and back to prime form.

No reason he can't be sufficient with a supporting cast but we ain't got that right now.

He'll need that with any team he goes to.

WSS

LBC mike

Steve you talking about manziel?

Edwardejw

@everlastingxxx said:
Cowboys win the NFC East! Woohoo!

Too bad y'all are too young to remember all those playoff games against the 'boys in the '60's. We went 2-2 in those before the merger.

I hate them, I have always hated them and I always will hate 'em. I hope they lose in the first round.

Westside Steve

@lbc-mike said:
Steve you talking about manziel?

No, I think Johnny has a long way to go before I make a decision. I'm talking about Brian.

But both guys will need a good team around them to succeed it's just that I think Johnny might possibly eventually someday etc etc to be an elite quarterback. And he might not. I don't think brian has that upside unfortunately.

But he's OK and probably could continue to be ok.

WSS

Edwardejw

@texasag1969 said:
Send him elsewhere. Both he and Cleveland fans will be happier for it. And Cleveland gets to add #22 to that infamous list of QB's. What a legacy it has become!

Ask any Aggie and he will tell you the same thing. Pigeonhole Johnny into an archaic offensive system and force him to adapt and he probably won't succeed. He won the Heisman with his ability to improvise but he had receivers who were willing to help, who could catch the ball and would work to get open. I see none of that in Cleveland's receivers. All the "pundits" said the same thing - the Browns have no worthy receivers save for Gordon and he was suspended for so long.

Tacosman

Instead of talking about hoyer specifically, it would be more useful perhaps to refer to any random journeyman backup. Because that's the decision the browns have- what level of random journeyman backup they bring in next year.

nickers

Well.. I know it it's only 1 game and another half of football played by Johnny.. But based on what I've seen. I just don't see this little shit (JM) getting any better than he already is. Hey looks way worse than Spergon Wynn,Charlie McFry and Colt McCoy. I think Johnny Cacca is a pussy. He proved it by putting that towel over his head on the side lines,after he "got hurt". Wich I'm really starting to doubt this little assholes character.

Once again, We saw Hoyer trot out onto the field and outplayed him. JM just proved he is no competition for Brian Hoyer. Secondly.. Jimmy Haslam needs to relinquish his ownership and sell it to a Clevelander, that actually understands Cleveland football. or else the viscious cycle will continue..He sucks, He looks lost,derailed and confused.

Jimmy and Johnny.. please get the fuck out of Cleveland. You both are an embarrassment To Cleveland fans

Tour2ma

@edwardejw said:
Ask any Aggie and he will tell you the same thing. Pigeonhole Johnny into an archaic organized offensive system and force him to adapt and he probably won't succeed.

Fixed...