John Football Excuses Forum....
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I'd say it's more like disgust. I don't know the boy personally, so it'd be unfair to say I hate him. and regardless of what motivated the Bengals, it's a fact that Manziel has absolutely no one to blame but himself for the bad image he already has (earned) and always will have unless he miraculously lights it up next year. But it would take NFL caliber talent to achieve that. And unlike you apparently, I'm not willing to bet my mortgage on that one.
How many times did he go out partying this year?
How many times did he go out partying this year?
is there an over/under involved with this question?
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How many times did he go out partying this year?
is there an over/under involved with this question?
is there an over/under involved with this question?
It's a serious question.
Going into this year, the concern was that he would be out partying every night and getting into shenanigans. As we draw to the end of the season, the only "issue" during the season was when some drunk fan approached him in his own hotel/apartment building.
The media tried to overhype Manziel going to a Cavs game or showing up 10 minutes before his 11:00 AM deadline...but those are non-issues. His off-the field problems were like his on-the-field production...nonexistent.
Can we finally put the shit the rest that he's a media-hungry off-the-field concern shitty locker room cancer?
He fucking partied in college...he just did it better than any of you. Don't get butthurt over that. Get butthurt that he can't read a defense, he is paranoid in the pocket, he scrambles rather than stepping up...but not that he partied while in college.
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Worst performance by the team since weeds? Absolutely. Hoyer wins that game or even makes it close? Absolutely not. We played like shit all the way around
Worst performance by the team since weeds? Absolutely. Hoyer wins that game or even makes it close? Absolutely not. We played like shit all the way around
We've got seriously the worst fans ever. Myself included. We turn on people so goddamn quickly. I think this game showed Hoyer was far from failing on his own. That being said at least Johnny didn't throw everyone else under the bus at his post game presser.
we should have stayed with hoyer all the way...look, the guy barely has 1 yr experience under his belt...all the injuries.to the team..give me a friggin break, this organization sucks the big dong...now we have no qb...before hoyer goes, i hope he throws for 4 td's this weekend against the ravens as his goodbye present..
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is there an over/under involved with this question?
It's a serious question.
Going into this year, the concern was that he would be out partying every night and getting into shenanigans. As we draw to the end of the season, the only "issue" during the season was when some drunk fan approached him in his own hotel/apartment building.
The media tried to overhype Manziel going to a Cavs game or showing up 10 minutes before his 11:00 AM deadline...but those are non-issues. His off-the field problems were like his on-the-field production...nonexistent.
Can we finally put the shit the rest that he's a media-hungry off-the-field concern shitty locker room cancer?
He fucking partied in college...he just did it better than any of you. Don't get butthurt over that. Get butthurt that he can't read a defense, he is paranoid in the pocket, he scrambles rather than stepping up...but not that he partied while in college.
Can we finally put the shit the rest that he's a media-hungry off-the-field concern shitty locker room cancer?
Can we at least wait until Camp 2015?
And I believe the answer to your query was twice...
- Lobby-gate; and
- during the bye week.
Did I win?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'd say it's more like disgust. I don't know the boy personally, so it'd be unfair to say I hate him. and regardless of what motivated the Bengals, it's a fact that Manziel has absolutely no one to blame but himself for the bad image he already has (earned) and always will have unless he miraculously lights it up next year. But it would take NFL caliber talent to achieve that. And unlike you apparently, I'm not willing to bet my mortgage on that one.
How many times did he go out partying this year?
Who gives a shit? He's admitted to not preparing like the best qbs, i.e. he doesn't want to work to be the best qb there is. Id prefer a guy who wants and has the desire to be the best he can. He's already earned a shitty reputation, gonna take a while to over come that.How many times did he go out partying this year?
But most importantly he sucks ass as an NFL qb. He has almost no desirable skills and has awful instincts.
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is there an over/under involved with this question?
It's a serious question.
Going into this year, the concern was that he would be out partying every night and getting into shenanigans. As we draw to the end of the season, the only "issue" during the season was when some drunk fan approached him in his own hotel/apartment building.
The media tried to overhype Manziel going to a Cavs game or showing up 10 minutes before his 11:00 AM deadline...but those are non-issues. His off-the field problems were like his on-the-field production...nonexistent.
Can we finally put the shit the rest that he's a media-hungry off-the-field concern shitty locker room cancer?
He fucking partied in college...he just did it better than any of you. Don't get butthurt over that. Get butthurt that he can't read a defense, he is paranoid in the pocket, he scrambles rather than stepping up...but not that he partied while in college.
He fucking partied in college...he just did it better than any of you. Don't get butthurt over that. Get butthurt that he can't read a defense, he is paranoid in the pocket, he scrambles rather than stepping up...but not that he partied while in college.
I don't give a shit if he parties now. He doesn't understand the concept of a pocket and plays scared. I'm not sure any playbook can solve that..
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is there an over/under involved with this question?
It's a serious question.
Going into this year, the concern was that he would be out partying every night and getting into shenanigans. As we draw to the end of the season, the only "issue" during the season was when some drunk fan approached him in his own hotel/apartment building.
The media tried to overhype Manziel going to a Cavs game or showing up 10 minutes before his 11:00 AM deadline...but those are non-issues. His off-the field problems were like his on-the-field production...nonexistent.
Can we finally put the shit the rest that he's a media-hungry off-the-field concern shitty locker room cancer?
He fucking partied in college...he just did it better than any of you. Don't get butthurt over that. Get butthurt that he can't read a defense, he is paranoid in the pocket, he scrambles rather than stepping up...but not that he partied while in college.
He fucking partied in college...he just did it better than any of you.
really? if he partied and backed up his game with some semblance of a nfl qb looking drive here or there and maybe a win no one would give a shit....and i still don't. he built his own machine and now he's fallen under it and it's running over him.
you liked bortles. great. i agreed thinking the only one that might be better was david carr (along with PoG).
manziel a locker room cancer? no. manziel a nfl bullshitter? hell yeah.
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BTW Brian Hoyer was number 28 when he got pulled. After how many seasons of grooming and how many starts in the NFL?
Derp I'm assuming it is some sort of derogatory slang?
Hmmmmm... 3 slots higher on an arbitrary list... I'll go with 3 more years of grooming. How'd I do?
Derp...
And as we both freely admit thanks to injuries they are not an inferior team to the Cleveland Browns. In week 4 or 5 they probably were but now I'd say we're near the bottom.
I freely admitted what? When? Where?
Hmmmmm... 3 slots higher on an arbitrary list... I'll go with 3 more years of grooming. How'd I do?
Derp...
I freely admitted what? When? Where?
Ok I apologize. So I'm the only one on this whole board that thinks injurious took a toll on the team and made it harder for the quarterback, whoever the fuck he was, to shine. I stand corrected.
WSS
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Hmmmmm... 3 slots higher on an arbitrary list... I'll go with 3 more years of grooming. How'd I do?
Derp...
I freely admitted what? When? Where?
Ok I apologize. So I'm the only one on this whole board that thinks injurious took a toll on the team and made it harder for the quarterback, whoever the fuck he was, to shine. I stand corrected.
WSS
I'm the only one on this whole board that thinks injurious took a toll on the team and made it harder for the quarterback, whoever the fuck he was
WSS
not the only one at all.
you are now preaching to this choir.
no OL, no running game=opposing defenses rush 3-4 guys and stuff our offense like a turducken.
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Can we finally put the shit the rest that he's a media-hungry off-the-field concern shitty locker room cancer?
Can we at least wait until Camp 2015?
And I believe the answer to your query was twice...
- Lobby-gate; and
- during the bye week.
Did I win?
Can we at least wait until Camp 2015?
And I believe the answer to your query was twice...
- Lobby-gate; and
- during the bye week.
Did I win?
Lobby-gate is about as much of an issue as the almost fistfight I got into at the Panthers game. It was a drunk person running their mouth, that's it.
Maybe I just blocked it out, but I don't remember Manziel doing anything during the bye week except going to the A&M game.
Who gives a shit? He's admitted to not preparing like the best qbs, i.e. he doesn't want to work to be the best qb there is. Id prefer a guy who wants and has the desire to be the best he can. He's already earned a shitty reputation, gonna take a while to over come that.
But most importantly he sucks ass as an NFL qb. He has almost no desirable skills and has awful instincts.
I didn't realize you can infer someone's motivations based off of an admission. When I was 8, I admitted to stealing a Pokemon card from my friend. Should have locked my up then, I didn't want to be a non-stealer.
I don't give a shit if he parties now. He doesn't understand the concept of a pocket and plays scared. I'm not sure any playbook can solve that..
Thank you. That's my point.
If you want to shit talk, shit talk the empirical proof that he didn't help us win games on the field.
really? if he partied and backed up his game with some semblance of a nfl qb looking drive here or there and maybe a win no one would give a shit....and i still don't. he built his own machine and now he's fallen under it and it's running over him.
you liked bortles. great. i agreed thinking the only one that might be better was david carr (along with PoG).
manziel a locker room cancer? no. manziel a nfl bullshitter? hell yeah.
But the point is that he didn't party...and he didn't back up his game. People are STILL complaining about his off-the-field issues, yet there haven't been any. He built no machine. The media built that machine and you fuckers just loved feeding into it. He kept his head down, by all accounts he worked hard in practice and in the film room and he still sucked.
So, talk about how he looks paranoid in the pocket. Talk about how he can't read a defense.Talk about how his skills probably don't transfer to the NFL. But don't talk about how he deserves to look shitty because he didn't prepare and he "built this machine".
You're all the reason MKC still has a job, and that's completely unforgivable.
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I'm the only one on this whole board that thinks injurious took a toll on the team and made it harder for the quarterback, whoever the fuck he was
WSS
not the only one at all.
you are now preaching to this choir.
no OL, no running game=opposing defenses rush 3-4 guys and stuff our offense like a turducken.
the reason for that comment is that I was under the impression that tour and I admitted that and we're on the same page. He seemed incredulous when I said that so...not the only one at all.
you are now preaching to this choir.
no OL, no running game=opposing defenses rush 3-4 guys and stuff our offense like a turducken.
WSS
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Can we at least wait until Camp 2015?
And I believe the answer to your query was twice...
- Lobby-gate; and
- during the bye week.
Did I win?
Lobby-gate is about as much of an issue as the almost fistfight I got into at the Panthers game. It was a drunk person running their mouth, that's it.
Maybe I just blocked it out, but I don't remember Manziel doing anything during the bye week except going to the A&M game.
Who gives a shit? He's admitted to not preparing like the best qbs, i.e. he doesn't want to work to be the best qb there is. Id prefer a guy who wants and has the desire to be the best he can. He's already earned a shitty reputation, gonna take a while to over come that.
But most importantly he sucks ass as an NFL qb. He has almost no desirable skills and has awful instincts.
I didn't realize you can infer someone's motivations based off of an admission. When I was 8, I admitted to stealing a Pokemon card from my friend. Should have locked my up then, I didn't want to be a non-stealer.
I don't give a shit if he parties now. He doesn't understand the concept of a pocket and plays scared. I'm not sure any playbook can solve that..
Thank you. That's my point.
If you want to shit talk, shit talk the empirical proof that he didn't help us win games on the field.
really? if he partied and backed up his game with some semblance of a nfl qb looking drive here or there and maybe a win no one would give a shit....and i still don't. he built his own machine and now he's fallen under it and it's running over him.
you liked bortles. great. i agreed thinking the only one that might be better was david carr (along with PoG).
manziel a locker room cancer? no. manziel a nfl bullshitter? hell yeah.
But the point is that he didn't party...and he didn't back up his game. People are STILL complaining about his off-the-field issues, yet there haven't been any. He built no machine. The media built that machine and you fuckers just loved feeding into it. He kept his head down, by all accounts he worked hard in practice and in the film room and he still sucked.
So, talk about how he looks paranoid in the pocket. Talk about how he can't read a defense.Talk about how his skills probably don't transfer to the NFL. But don't talk about how he deserves to look shitty because he didn't prepare and he "built this machine".
You're all the reason MKC still has a job, and that's completely unforgivable.
If you want to shit talk, shit talk the empirical proof that he didn't help us win games on the field.
But the point is that he didn't party...and he didn't back up his game. People are STILL complaining about his off-the-field issues, yet there haven't been any. He built no machine. The media built that machine and you fuckers just loved feeding into it. He kept his head down, by all accounts he worked hard in practice and in the film room and he still sucked.
So, talk about how he looks paranoid in the pocket. Talk about how he can't read a defense.Talk about how his skills probably don't transfer to the NFL. But don't talk about how he deserves to look shitty because he didn't prepare and he "built this machine".
You're all the reason MKC still has a job, and that's completely unforgivable.
the media twisted his arm during his collegiate career and made him come up with his patented 'money sign'? they twisted his arm to do commercials and magazine covers?
that's the machine he and his agent have built.
yeah that big yellow road grater coming his way......oops!
shoulda been a matador. right size and race.
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If you want to shit talk, shit talk the empirical proof that he didn't help us win games on the field.
But the point is that he didn't party...and he didn't back up his game. People are STILL complaining about his off-the-field issues, yet there haven't been any. He built no machine. The media built that machine and you fuckers just loved feeding into it. He kept his head down, by all accounts he worked hard in practice and in the film room and he still sucked.
So, talk about how he looks paranoid in the pocket. Talk about how he can't read a defense.Talk about how his skills probably don't transfer to the NFL. But don't talk about how he deserves to look shitty because he didn't prepare and he "built this machine".
You're all the reason MKC still has a job, and that's completely unforgivable.
the media twisted his arm during his collegiate career and made him come up with his patented 'money sign'? they twisted his arm to do commercials and magazine covers?
that's the machine he and his agent have built.
yeah that big yellow road grater coming his way......oops!
shoulda been a matador. right size and race.
the media twisted his arm during his collegiate career and made him come up with his patented 'money sign'? they twisted his arm to do commercials and magazine covers?
that's the machine he and his agent have built.
yeah that big yellow road grater coming his way......oops!
shoulda been a matador. right size and race.
You're a fucking idiot, dude. There's no point.
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yep. that's why i'm here and you're there.
have fun.
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Hmmmmm... 3 slots higher on an arbitrary list... I'll go with 3 more years of grooming. How'd I do?
Derp...
I freely admitted what? When? Where?
Ok I apologize. So I'm the only one on this whole board that thinks injurious took a toll on the team and made it harder for the quarterback, whoever the fuck he was, to shine. I stand corrected.
WSS
Ok I apologize. So I'm the only one on this whole board that thinks injurious took a toll on the team and made it harder for the quarterback, whoever the fuck he was, to shine. I stand corrected.
the reason for that comment is that I was under the impression that tour and I admitted that and we're on the same page. He seemed incredulous when I said that so...
Steve, had you said "we agree that the Browns have been made worse by injuries," of course we'd have agreed. But you did not. You said, "And as we both freely admit thanks to injuries (JAX is) not an inferior team to the Cleveland Browns."
Of course I've maintained that the Browns have been hurt by injuries. However, I have never made the case that we are worse than JAX. That is all.
And before you ask... don't bother asking.
If you want to shit talk, shit talk the empirical proof that he didn't help us win games on the field.
But the point is that he didn't party...and he didn't back up his game. People are STILL complaining about his off-the-field issues, yet there haven't been any. He built no machine. The media built that machine and you fuckers just loved feeding into it. He kept his head down, by all accounts he worked hard in practice and in the film room and he still sucked.
So, talk about how he looks paranoid in the pocket. Talk about how he can't read a defense.Talk about how his skills probably don't transfer to the NFL. But don't talk about how he deserves to look shitty because he didn't prepare and he "built this machine".
Valid points for the most part... but time put in does not equal worked hard. That's like attending class but never doing homework. I've read a couple accounts to that effect. So I believe there is an off-field connection, even if it does not involve swan diving.
I believe JM did not understand and/or was not willing the effort required to QB at the NFL level. If true, it naturally follows that he did not put forth the required discretionary effort. It matters not what he did with that time that effort would have required, if it did not go towards preparing him for the NFL.
Watching the physical shell of Peyton Manning last nite I could not help but think that for all his well-into-the-second-decade NFL experience here's a guy that still puts in more quality prep hours in a week than any other QBs in the league.
Watching JM I get the feeling he truly believed he'd waltz in as is and "wreck this league".
The only questions left are:
- Does JM now truly understand what it takes?
- Is he willing to pay that price?
- Is it too late?
Won't know those answers for at least 8 months.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Ok I apologize. So I'm the only one on this whole board that thinks injurious took a toll on the team and made it harder for the quarterback, whoever the fuck he was, to shine. I stand corrected.
the reason for that comment is that I was under the impression that tour and I admitted that and we're on the same page. He seemed incredulous when I said that so...
Steve, had you said "we agree that the Browns have been made worse by injuries," of course we'd have agreed. But you did not. You said, "And as we both freely admit thanks to injuries (JAX is) not an inferior team to the Cleveland Browns."
Of course I've maintained that the Browns have been hurt by injuries. However, I have never made the case that we are worse than JAX. That is all.
And before you ask... don't bother asking.
If you want to shit talk, shit talk the empirical proof that he didn't help us win games on the field.
But the point is that he didn't party...and he didn't back up his game. People are STILL complaining about his off-the-field issues, yet there haven't been any. He built no machine. The media built that machine and you fuckers just loved feeding into it. He kept his head down, by all accounts he worked hard in practice and in the film room and he still sucked.
So, talk about how he looks paranoid in the pocket. Talk about how he can't read a defense.Talk about how his skills probably don't transfer to the NFL. But don't talk about how he deserves to look shitty because he didn't prepare and he "built this machine".
Valid points for the most part... but time put in does not equal worked hard. That's like attending class but never doing homework. I've read a couple accounts to that effect. So I believe there is an off-field connection, even if it does not involve swan diving.
I believe JM did not understand and/or was not willing the effort required to QB at the NFL level. If true, it naturally follows that he did not put forth the required discretionary effort. It matters not what he did with that time that effort would have required, if it did not go towards preparing him for the NFL.
Watching the physical shell of Peyton Manning last nite I could not help but think that for all his well-into-the-second-decade NFL experience here's a guy that still puts in more quality prep hours in a week than any other QBs in the league.
Watching JM I get the feeling he truly believed he'd waltz in as is and "wreck this league".
The only questions left are:
- Does JM now truly understand what it takes?
- Is he willing to pay that price?
- Is it too late?
Won't know those answers for at least 8 months.
I believe JM did not understand and/or was not willing the effort required to QB at the NFL level. If true, it naturally follows that he did not put forth the required discretionary effort. It matters not what he did with that time that effort would have required, if it did not go towards preparing him for the NFL.
Watching JM I get the feeling he truly believed he'd waltz in as is and "wreck this league".
The only questions left are:
- Does JM now truly understand what it takes?
- Is he willing to pay that price?
- Is it too late?
Won't know those answers for at least 8 months.
JM has admitted as of yesterday that he has learned more sitting on the bench than in his prior 22 years learning football. He specifically mentioned that he had not understood the kind and amount of work that it takes to become an NFL QB until watching BH and all that he does to prepare. The implication is that if the Browns give him a chance he will do all of those things to become that NFL QB the Browns want now that he really understands it. Pretty much validated what you said above, that he had no inkling of what it took and thought he could just come in and "wreck this league".
I realize that most here think that will not matter due to his limitations. So if the Browns are unwilling to go that extra mile then they need to find out his trade value immediately. Conner Shaw would be an adequate replacement, so why not just get it over and say he had his chance already. I really do think that at least 1 team would give up a 3rd rounder for him which would give the Browns another decent lineman draft which is more desperately needed.
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Ok I apologize. So I'm the only one on this whole board that thinks injurious took a toll on the team and made it harder for the quarterback, whoever the fuck he was, to shine. I stand corrected.
the reason for that comment is that I was under the impression that tour and I admitted that and we're on the same page. He seemed incredulous when I said that so...
Steve, had you said "we agree that the Browns have been made worse by injuries," of course we'd have agreed. But you did not. You said, "And as we both freely admit thanks to injuries (JAX is) not an inferior team to the Cleveland Browns."
Of course I've maintained that the Browns have been hurt by injuries. However, I have never made the case that we are worse than JAX. That is all.
And before you ask... don't bother asking.
If you want to shit talk, shit talk the empirical proof that he didn't help us win games on the field.
But the point is that he didn't party...and he didn't back up his game. People are STILL complaining about his off-the-field issues, yet there haven't been any. He built no machine. The media built that machine and you fuckers just loved feeding into it. He kept his head down, by all accounts he worked hard in practice and in the film room and he still sucked.
So, talk about how he looks paranoid in the pocket. Talk about how he can't read a defense.Talk about how his skills probably don't transfer to the NFL. But don't talk about how he deserves to look shitty because he didn't prepare and he "built this machine".
Valid points for the most part... but time put in does not equal worked hard. That's like attending class but never doing homework. I've read a couple accounts to that effect. So I believe there is an off-field connection, even if it does not involve swan diving.
I believe JM did not understand and/or was not willing the effort required to QB at the NFL level. If true, it naturally follows that he did not put forth the required discretionary effort. It matters not what he did with that time that effort would have required, if it did not go towards preparing him for the NFL.
Watching the physical shell of Peyton Manning last nite I could not help but think that for all his well-into-the-second-decade NFL experience here's a guy that still puts in more quality prep hours in a week than any other QBs in the league.
Watching JM I get the feeling he truly believed he'd waltz in as is and "wreck this league".
The only questions left are:
- Does JM now truly understand what it takes?
- Is he willing to pay that price?
- Is it too late?
Won't know those answers for at least 8 months.
The only questions left are:
- Does JM now truly understand what it takes?
- Is he willing to pay that price?
- Is it too late?
Won't know those answers for at least 8 months.
Nope. We'll get a glimpse of the off season soon enough though. Lets hope its not on TMZ.....
I do think the one "silver lining" in all this is that Johnny's glimmer has faded some.....so maybe he'll be less in the spotlight just because of that....
Conner Shaw would be an adequate replacement, so why not just get it over and say he had his chance already. I really do think that at least 1 team would give up a 3rd rounder for him which would give the Browns another decent lineman draft which is more desperately needed.
You always were the more reasonable one....
Personally, Id prefer to see him stay and try one more time, as opposed to just giving up on him. Especially since, right now, there isn't another obvious QB to carry this team. Its still wide open. I think he'll work hard and keep his nose clean. But I honestly think he's too limited to be great, but deserves the chance to prove otherwise.
BUT....give me something good and Id let him go in a hot minute!!!....2nd rounder?, hell yes!......use him & a 1st to move up?, yep!....but 3rd round, 4th round?.....Im not so sure....
In the end, if they do take one of those types of picks, it does mean they think he's hopeless
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He'll never be a solid starting QB in this league.
How do i know? Because he will never be able to do the things that's required to succeed in this level. I don't think most of you knuckleheads know what it takes to play QB in this league. If you do, you won't even suggest drafting this midget in the first play. All you see on these youtube highlight wheel is a little white boy running around making everyone look silly. But this type of game simply won't translate in the pro level. We've seen guys with similar game who are more athletic (RG3), bigger (Tebow) & faster (Vick) try with limited long term success.
And across town, we have never embraced this kid coming out of Louisville that we could had taken TWICE who has just completed 70% of his passes 4 straight game (never been done by a rookie) versus top passing defenses. Here's a nice piece on what Bridgewater did this past weekend. Some of the highlighted plays Bridgewater made is NFL starter stuff. These are things Manziel have never done and will probably never will because the little midget thinks he can simply take off and use his underwhelming athleticism to overcome the situation.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2306976-teddy-bridgewater-emerging-as-nfls-top-rookie-quarterback
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