Going to be a lot if disappointed guys in here come start of next season..
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Mid range starters are guys like joe flacco, Matt stafford, etc....
Hoyer has proven he is not a starter, but if he is he is the worst in the league.
Flacco and Stafford are more than mid range. At the least they are upper mid range. Both of those guys would be close to the best qb's Cleveland has ever had...especially Flacco.
Flacco and Stafford are more than mid range. At the least they are upper mid range. Both of those guys would be close to the best qb's Cleveland has ever had...especially Flacco.
False. Otto graham. It's gonna take a Tom Brady to be better than Otto. Flacco won't do it.
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Nobody should be guaranteed anything for next season at any position.
Today, Brian Hoyer is the best quarterback on the roster. It is not even debatable. Of course, we can't run him out of town quick enough. Sign Brian Hoyer if you still can, which is highly unlikely while JF is on the roster, keep Shaw and bring in a couple of vets. Use the draft and FA to address the other needs.
Sure, Hoyer is a great story with the hometown angle, but he is also the best QB on the roster today. And a true professional who is an above average leader that his teammates respect and will follow.
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My guess is, that Gordon and Broadway flop Johnny are
alcholics who couldn't care less about winning, as long as
they are getting high, and making $$$$$$$$$$$...
Just my opinion...Gordon needs to be gone. All this trouble he's had,
and he STILL goes to a party? He'll make enough money to
get himself suspended next year, and he'll be out of the league.
He's a restricted FA? haha, let him go.
I'll go with what the coaching staff and Farmer think. But manziel's party thing -
seriously? May as well dump him and his party problems. They aren't going away,
I think.
Maybe there's a Garapollo in next year's draft. How can anybody excuse Johnny for it
only being a few starts, when Connor Shaw came in, and absolutely looked like a real quartberback..
albeit, with a lack of a bigtime arm? In one game, I suppose Gordon and Manziel make more than a lot of
folks do in a year. They don't care if they get suspended, because they aren't really about winning, and
their team, anyways. Manziel has a problem, imho, and he won't admit it to himself.
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I will be disappointed if Manziel is still with the Browns next season. The team does not need the distraction, they need to cut him loose and move on. I saw the photo of Manziel clowning around on the sideline with Hoyer while in the middle of an embarrassing loss to the Bengals. I agree with something Kosar said that he could not fathom that kind of behavior with any of the elite teams in the NFL. It should not be tolerated with the Browns either. Then we hear about Manziel favoriting some tweet about a TMZ story during the game yesterday. He was a bad influence on two players other veteran players of the Browns were trying to mentor and get them on board with the rest of the team. Manziel needs help but he doesn't see it. He needs to get some counseling and not forced counseling he needs to seek it out on his own. I don't believe in forced counseling. I read where Manziel already got some forced alcohol counseling while in college.
If Manziel could just see the other side. The fans who scrape their money to afford to go to the games. They deserve better. I believe Pettine is going to give it to them and those players who refuse to act like professional NFL players let them go.
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I actually agree with the sentiment of this post, or at least the title. There are a lot of people calling for one or more of our "flying J's" to be cut or traded, and I suspect that all three will be on the roster next September. JFF will be at least competing for the starting job; Gilbert the same; and Gordon, despite his apparent lack of effort will be in the starting line up.
I don't know who will be competing with Manziel, but I suspect it won't be Hoyer - he'll want more money than our FO is prepared to give him, based on a not-very-good season. Maybe it'll be Shaw? With a third string journeyman guy throughout camp to 'mentor' them, like Thigpen/Grossman this year (because that went so well).
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And just to add, what I saw from Connor Shaw today was very reminiscent of Brian Hoyer, just without the experience. I think that's his floor. Ceiling probably not much higher.
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So I guess none of you kids noticed that Hoyer played pretty good until Mack went down. Then it was "Bar the door Katie" we couldnt run and didn't have time to pass. We need depth on the line...both sides. The teams that do consistantly good seem to have depth on their lines. You win and lose the game at the line of scrimmage. An old adage yes, but still very true.
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So I guess none of you kids noticed that Hoyer played pretty good until Mack went down. Then it was "Bar the door Katie" we couldnt run and didn't have time to pass. We need depth on the line...both sides. The teams that do consistantly good seem to have depth on their lines. You win and lose the game at the line of scrimmage. An old adage yes, but still very true.
So I guess none of you kids noticed that Hoyer played pretty good until Mack went down. Then it was "Bar the door Katie" we couldnt run and didn't have time to pass. We need depth on the line...both sides. The teams that do consistantly good seem to have depth on their lines. You win and lose the game at the line of scrimmage. An old adage yes, but still very true.
Hoyer did appear to play well, but remember there was also a lot of 'only just' moments and should-have-been interceptions. I'm not saying he played badly, but he was hardly Peyton Elway for 4.5 games. He benefited hugely from a very effective rush game opening up all kinds of PAP, and that same OL being excellent in pass protection.
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So I guess none of you kids noticed that Hoyer played pretty good until Mack went down. Then it was "Bar the door Katie" we couldnt run and didn't have time to pass. We need depth on the line...both sides. The teams that do consistantly good seem to have depth on their lines. You win and lose the game at the line of scrimmage. An old adage yes, but still very true.
Hoyer did appear to play well, but remember there was also a lot of 'only just' moments and should-have-been interceptions. I'm not saying he played badly, but he was hardly Peyton Elway for 4.5 games. He benefited hugely from a very effective rush game opening up all kinds of PAP, and that same OL being excellent in pass protection.
Hoyer did appear to play well, but remember there was also a lot of 'only just' moments and should-have-been interceptions. I'm not saying he played badly, but he was hardly Peyton Elway for 4.5 games. He benefited hugely from a very effective rush game opening up all kinds of PAP, and that same OL being excellent in pass protection.
Appear? Like magic? You didn't notice how the whole O turned to shit after Mack left? Maybe you should think like this......It takes a great line for an offense to flourish. A great FA QB like Manning would never come here with the O line we have...period!
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Hoyer did appear to play well, but remember there was also a lot of 'only just' moments and should-have-been interceptions. I'm not saying he played badly, but he was hardly Peyton Elway for 4.5 games. He benefited hugely from a very effective rush game opening up all kinds of PAP, and that same OL being excellent in pass protection.
Appear? Like magic? You didn't notice how the whole O turned to shit after Mack left? Maybe you should think like this......It takes a great line for an offense to flourish. A great FA QB like Manning would never come here with the O line we have...period!
Appear? Like magic? You didn't notice how the whole O turned to shit after Mack left? Maybe you should think like this......It takes a great line for an offense to flourish. A great FA QB like Manning would never come here with the O line we have...period!
'Appear' in that he had a very nice stat line, but that when you look a little closer, he had a lot of missed opportunities, as well as dropped interceptions. He got away with it while we were winning - and that continued even after Mack went down, as we went to 6-3, remember? However, as the luck started to run out with the dropped INTs, and the running game dried up, the missed opportunities and general inaccuracy become more apparent. I'm not saying he played badly, but I don't think he played as well as you seem to believe.
As for our OL, before the freak broken leg, it looked as good as any in the league. I agree depth is needed, though, as after the injury, we had nobody who could step up and play on the interior - Greco to center is all fine and dandy, but only if you have another guy who can come in and play G. We apparently do not, as McQuistan showed. I believe we'll pick up someone in the second/third round, probably an OT that can slide inside to OG in the pros like Bitonio while still offering cover at OT should something happen to Schwartz or (heaven help us) Thomas.
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Give me a little luck and 10-6 all day long (while on the other side of the luck coin, Hawkins was the No. 1 receiver part of the time, Willis Mcgahee was the No. 1 RB in Hoyer's wins in 2013, one more defensive stop and good Hoyer/bad Hoyer would've been enough at Pitt, vs. Balt, and vs. Indy). How much good luck will we need for JFF to go 10-4 in his next 14 starts?
So, Hoyer can win with a good OL (even though 4 of his wins this year came after Mack went down), and Hoyer can win with a good run game (even though Hoyer's sometimes sucked, but sometimes "figured out ways to win" in games when we've had 0 running game), and Hoyer can "manage" a game well with decent help from Shanny getting his shit right. Good, fine, is it unicorns and show ponies? At least it's a plan and one which is relatively within reach. What's the general game plan to go with what Johnny's shown so far?
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If and when Hoyer gets cut, Shaw has got to be first string over Johnny Cocaine, Shaw played against a MUCH MUCH tougher team then either teams johnny played. Johnny made Shaw look like Bernie Kosar.
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If and when Hoyer gets cut, Shaw has got to be first string over Johnny Cocaine, Shaw played against a MUCH MUCH tougher team then either teams johnny played. Johnny made Shaw look like Bernie Kosar.
If and when Hoyer gets cut, Shaw has got to be first string over Johnny Cocaine, Shaw played against a MUCH MUCH tougher team then either teams johnny played. Johnny made Shaw look like Bernie Kosar.
Hoyer won't be cut. He's a free agent and probably won't be back because I imagine another team will offer him more than we're prepared to pay. I think Johnny fuckwad will be on the roster but he's no way guaranteed the starting job and there will be someone brought in to compete and my guess is that unless he "sees the light" and turns his life around, JFF will not win the starting job here or anywhere else. He doesn't have the make up to do what it takes to be a starting QB. Hoyer has the make up to be that guy but unfortunately, just doesn't have the talent. Very similar to Colt McCoy. Colt has the make up and desire to be a successful starter, just not the talent.
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Listening to Pettine and Haslam, it doesn't sound too good for either Manziel or Gordon. I think they're gone. Nothing will happen until after the season but as a Browns fan I won't miss them. Right now I would rather have Geno Smith. At least he can see over the defense.
Listening to Pettine and Haslam, it doesn't sound too good for either Manziel or Gordon. I think they're gone. Nothing will happen until after the season but as a Browns fan I won't miss them. Right now I would rather have Geno Smith. At least he can see over the defense.
What do you think we can get for Gordon? Would NE give us a #1 (early 30's)? Can we get a #2? We're not gonna just give him away.
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Manziel will be on the roster. Hoyer will not. Shaw will likely be the backup, now that he can't be stashed on the practice squad. Shanahan will likely be gone, which means we'll have a new offensive system. Gordon will likely still be on the team as well, unless someone is stupid enough to offer a second rounder.
Hoyer will go to Tennessee or Washington or somewhere like that.
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I don't see him going to Washington but I could see him in Tennessee or Houston
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Gordon should be a non issue. He will end up cutting himself. He hasn't made it through an off season yet.
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