Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Actually, it would make a huge difference if Manziel WAS out fishing.
I'm seriously wondering if Manziel needs to go to rehab with the partying and drinking.
Bayless is calling Manziel an "alcoholic liar"
Hey, I don't know what Manziel has lied about...ya know what I'm sayin ?
Actually, it would make a huge difference if Manziel WAS out fishing.
I'm seriously wondering if Manziel needs to go to rehab with the partying and drinking.
Bayless is calling Manziel an "alcoholic liar"
Hey, I don't know what Manziel has lied about...ya know what I'm sayin ?
Harsh words form Bayless. I have to assume he's known an alky or two in his life. They will lie their ass off to get out of trouble, and they all sooner or later get into a bIg D-Nile trip- well, I haven't done that YET.
Uh that's kind of universal around this place isn't it?
WSS
Steve you can believe it or not- but there was a report out Manziel's dad offered to buy him a car in HS if he'd lay off the booze.
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Steve you can believe it or not- but there was a report out Manziel's dad offered to buy him a car in HS if he'd lay off the booze.
Well goody, but that has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.
WSS
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There may be some NFL team that believes JM was not really given the chance here in Cleveland and if the Browns and JM are going to part company I recommend they do it now. That is something Mudfly posted I agree with. They need to make a decision ASAP.
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Obviously get some time to relax.. Ya know kick your feet up a little bit. Deserve a little bit of a break
Manziel via Bleacher Report
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
"Well we hung him at high noon and found out later he didn't really do all the things we hung him for. But since he still needs hangin', no use cuttin' him down now."
second time in one day you use that same quote.
is that something from texas folklore?
seems like it rolls off your tongue a little too easy there in TX.......
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12093069/cleveland-browns-qb-johnny-manziel-says-back-words-action
He gives an interview here, saying '100 percent' he didn't throw a party, that he did not spend the night with Josh Gordon, etc.
Well, I'm convinced.
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12093069/cleveland-browns-qb-johnny-manziel-says-back-words-action
He gives an interview here, saying '100 percent' he didn't throw a party, that he did not spend the night with Josh Gordon, etc.
Well, I'm convinced.
I have no idea but is there any evidence besides a couple tweets from random fucks? Anybody post a photograph? No? Hey I saw Chris chopping up lines of coke with the Queen last night.http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12093069/cleveland-browns-qb-johnny-manziel-says-back-words-action
He gives an interview here, saying '100 percent' he didn't throw a party, that he did not spend the night with Josh Gordon, etc.
Well, I'm convinced.
on the Tony Rizzo show somebody said that they got a tweet that Johnny was at the barley house at 3 a.m.. If I had my phone to make a tweet Id have taking a fucking picture. Wouldn't you guys? Come on.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Obviously get some time to relax.. Ya know kick your feet up a little bit. Deserve a little bit of a break
Manziel via Bleacher Report
Obviously get some time to relax.. Ya know kick your feet up a little bit. Deserve a little bit of a break
Manziel via Bleacher Report
I thought women were the ones who constantly berated someone?
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I have no idea but is there any evidence besides a couple tweets from random fucks? Anybody post a photograph? No? Hey I saw Chris chopping up lines of coke with the Queen last night.http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12093069/cleveland-browns-qb-johnny-manziel-says-back-words-action
He gives an interview here, saying '100 percent' he didn't throw a party, that he did not spend the night with Josh Gordon, etc.
Well, I'm convinced.
on the Tony Rizzo show somebody said that they got a tweet that Johnny was at the barley house at 3 a.m.. If I had my phone to make a tweet Id have taking a fucking picture. Wouldn't you guys? Come on.
WSS
I have no idea but is there any evidence besides a couple tweets from random fucks? Anybody post a photograph? No? Hey I saw Chris chopping up lines of coke with the Queen last night.
on the Tony Rizzo show somebody said that they got a tweet that Johnny was at the barley house at 3 a.m.. If I had my phone to make a tweet Id have taking a fucking picture. Wouldn't you guys? Come on.
WSS
I'm inclined to agree - was there actually any evidence about this?
Also, the queen is more of a ground-up-swan-bones kind of woman. Coke is too low-brow for her.
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Trade him to Texas for Clowney. They have Watt, love JF and are worried enough about Clowney's injury to consider it. Pick up a new QB in the draft.
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Even if what Manziel says is true with his version of events it still does not exonerate him from his own irresponsible behavior.
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Even if what Manziel says is true with his version of events it still does not exonerate him from his own irresponsible behavior.
Even if what Manziel says is true with his version of events it still does not exonerate him from his own irresponsible behavior.
Absolutely, he still needs to turn up on time for treatment.
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JL 8/1 - INCIDENT: Arrested 6/29/12 for disorderly conduct (eventually dismissed), failure to identify, and possession of a fake ID (dismissed). On 7/15/13, pled guilty to the misdemeanor charge of failing to properly identify himself (showed a Louisiana ID with a 1990 birth date) after a fight in College Station; reports say he didn't start the fight but was trying to break it up. Paid a $2,000 fine, $232 in court costs, and serve 2 days in jail but received credit for time served after being jailed when initially arrested. On 8/6, he went before a 3-person discipline panel at TXAM that put him on "Conduct Probation" for a semester (Fall 2012) and suspended for the season; he successfully appealed the decision (after Sumlin & Kingsbury went to bat for him) and got the punishment reduced to standard probation, allowing him to play. Comes from a big-money family (oil money) in east TX but played HS ball outside of San Antonio.Source at Manning Camp that knows JM well: nothing but positive things to say, mostly with the vibe of, "he's not doing anything differently than you, I, or anyone else did in college". From the vibe of online articles,father seems a little too involved and overstepping his boundaries.CONCERNS: Off-field behavior/lifestyleJL 8/22 -Vibe on this guy keeps getting worse. Support staff members are sick of him and ready for him to go. Described as a cocky, me-guy. Loves football, FBI is high as well. Everything has been pretty well-documented in online articles about the kid,but sources say he's a spoiled brat(grandfather gives him allowance, father bought him luxury car). They say he was getting on people's nerves during the '12 season, but it went to another level after the ALUN game.Seems to enjoy putting himself in situations where he knows attention will follow him(TXUN frat party during summer).CONCERNS: Off-field behavior, cockiness, maturityJL 10/15 - Suspended first half of TXRI game for autograph scandal. Couple of TXTC sources say can't yell/scream at him or he shuts down; has walked away from Kingsbury in the past. Has an avg. work ethic, came to 4 of 32 summer '13 workouts, and quit going to in-season workouts late in '12.Doesn't study the game, said to know about 60% of the offensein '12,never watches film;one source said only time he watched film during '12 was before ALUN.Comes from 'outlaw bloodlines', mom moved the family to Kerrville to get away from father's wild family. Father's family is said to be very shady people, always into something,they are the root of Johnny's personality. 'What you see on TV and how he is portrayed, that's him; but when you talk to him, you'll like him'. Coaches love his tuffs/competes, they want to go to war with him, but 'Johnny will be Johnny' during the week.Knows how to scheme the system,arrogant and full of himself,but he's not smug to coaches.Has been like this since Day 1, has never gone to class, goes to beat of own drum, but has ultimate confidence. Loves the spotlight,football is his release, big games don't scare him. Has size 15 feet and freakishly big hands. Will drink, but no one I spoke with think he's a smoker.Teammates don't dislike him,but there's some resentment, more so in the offseason when he isn't coming to workouts and they are busting their butt.Loner, doesn't hang out with the guys, but very close with WR Mike Evans. Already has money, is used to spotlight, has already been exposed to NFL-level fame.Will never take football seriously enough for our coaching staff, he'll hate meetings, will have to drag him to work out, etc.The definition of the word maintenance.CONCERNS: Maturity, passion for preparation, high-maintenance, work ethic
http://deadspin.com/leaked-internal-scouting-report-the-patriots-do-not-li-1574040417
Sounds about right!!
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Even if what Manziel says is true with his version of events it still does not exonerate him from his own irresponsible behavior.
Even if what Manziel says is true with his version of events it still does not exonerate him from his own irresponsible behavior.
If what he says is true and there was no party what then is the irresponsible behavior in this case? The fact that he was late for rehab? I can accept that complaint but that shit happens. My problem is the paparazzi style reporting.
I'm not saying it's true or it isn't true but just give me a little evidence and ask yourself if it was another player would you care? Because I will bet you dollars to dog turds that there are plenty of Cleveland Browns out at the nightclubs shit hammered on a regular basis.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
JL 8/1 - INCIDENT: Arrested 6/29/12 for disorderly conduct (eventually dismissed), failure to identify, and possession of a fake ID (dismissed). On 7/15/13, pled guilty to the misdemeanor charge of failing to properly identify himself (showed a Louisiana ID with a 1990 birth date) after a fight in College Station; reports say he didn't start the fight but was trying to break it up. Paid a $2,000 fine, $232 in court costs, and serve 2 days in jail but received credit for time served after being jailed when initially arrested. On 8/6, he went before a 3-person discipline panel at TXAM that put him on "Conduct Probation" for a semester (Fall 2012) and suspended for the season; he successfully appealed the decision (after Sumlin & Kingsbury went to bat for him) and got the punishment reduced to standard probation, allowing him to play. Comes from a big-money family (oil money) in east TX but played HS ball outside of San Antonio.Source at Manning Camp that knows JM well: nothing but positive things to say, mostly with the vibe of, "he's not doing anything differently than you, I, or anyone else did in college". From the vibe of online articles,father seems a little too involved and overstepping his boundaries.CONCERNS: Off-field behavior/lifestyleJL 8/22 -Vibe on this guy keeps getting worse. Support staff members are sick of him and ready for him to go. Described as a cocky, me-guy. Loves football, FBI is high as well. Everything has been pretty well-documented in online articles about the kid,but sources say he's a spoiled brat(grandfather gives him allowance, father bought him luxury car). They say he was getting on people's nerves during the '12 season, but it went to another level after the ALUN game.Seems to enjoy putting himself in situations where he knows attention will follow him(TXUN frat party during summer).CONCERNS: Off-field behavior, cockiness, maturityJL 10/15 - Suspended first half of TXRI game for autograph scandal. Couple of TXTC sources say can't yell/scream at him or he shuts down; has walked away from Kingsbury in the past. Has an avg. work ethic, came to 4 of 32 summer '13 workouts, and quit going to in-season workouts late in '12.Doesn't study the game, said to know about 60% of the offensein '12,never watches film;one source said only time he watched film during '12 was before ALUN.Comes from 'outlaw bloodlines', mom moved the family to Kerrville to get away from father's wild family. Father's family is said to be very shady people, always into something,they are the root of Johnny's personality. 'What you see on TV and how he is portrayed, that's him; but when you talk to him, you'll like him'. Coaches love his tuffs/competes, they want to go to war with him, but 'Johnny will be Johnny' during the week.Knows how to scheme the system,arrogant and full of himself,but he's not smug to coaches.Has been like this since Day 1, has never gone to class, goes to beat of own drum, but has ultimate confidence. Loves the spotlight,football is his release, big games don't scare him. Has size 15 feet and freakishly big hands. Will drink, but no one I spoke with think he's a smoker.Teammates don't dislike him,but there's some resentment, more so in the offseason when he isn't coming to workouts and they are busting their butt.Loner, doesn't hang out with the guys, but very close with WR Mike Evans. Already has money, is used to spotlight, has already been exposed to NFL-level fame.Will never take football seriously enough for our coaching staff, he'll hate meetings, will have to drag him to work out, etc.The definition of the word maintenance.CONCERNS: Maturity, passion for preparation, high-maintenance, work ethic
http://deadspin.com/leaked-internal-scouting-report-the-patriots-do-not-li-1574040417
Sounds about right!!
Remember when this was debunked? No, didn't think so.
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Of course in my line of work I support fake IDs wholeheartedly!
WSS
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Even if what Manziel says is true with his version of events it still does not exonerate him from his own irresponsible behavior.
If what he says is true and there was no party what then is the irresponsible behavior in this case? The fact that he was late for rehab? I can accept that complaint but that shit happens. My problem is the paparazzi style reporting.
I'm not saying it's true or it isn't true but just give me a little evidence and ask yourself if it was another player would you care? Because I will bet you dollars to dog turds that there are plenty of Cleveland Browns out at the nightclubs shit hammered on a regular basis.
WSS
If what he says is true and there was no party what then is the irresponsible behavior in this case? The fact that he was late for rehab? I can accept that complaint but that shit happens. My problem is the paparazzi style reporting.
I'm not saying it's true or it isn't true but just give me a little evidence and ask yourself if it was another player would you care? Because I will bet you dollars to dog turds that there are plenty of Cleveland Browns out at the nightclubs shit hammered on a regular basis.
WSS
Missing his rehab and Browns security having to go to his apartment to get him I would call irresponsible behavior on his part. I agree with you on the reporting about getting all the facts correct before going public with them.
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Remember when this was debunked? No, didn't think so.
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If what he says is true and there was no party what then is the irresponsible behavior in this case? The fact that he was late for rehab? I can accept that complaint but that shit happens. My problem is the paparazzi style reporting.
I'm not saying it's true or it isn't true but just give me a little evidence and ask yourself if it was another player would you care? Because I will bet you dollars to dog turds that there are plenty of Cleveland Browns out at the nightclubs shit hammered on a regular basis.
WSS
Missing his rehab and Browns security having to go to his apartment to get him I would call irresponsible behavior on his part. I agree with you on the reporting about getting all the facts correct before going public with them.
Missing his rehab and Browns security having to go to his apartment to get him I would call irresponsible behavior on his part. I agree with you on the reporting about getting all the facts correct before going public with them.
As I said yes I agree that's not very responsible. But when you embellish that story it becomes shitty journalism.
WSS
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I didn't say it was true.......I said "it sounds about right!". ...........and it does, doesn't it?
BS-your implication was that it was all true since at no place did you say it was not. You must be an attorney if you think cute talk gets you off the hook for your irresponsible post.
And for the record I agree with JM that his missing rehab. was irresponsible. He owned it and that for me is the sole issue here (the behavior, not another mea culpa).
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