Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Moving beyond the 7 quarters of professional football...
Quite simply, Johnny Manziel is losing the battle of public perception and that is why many fans are up in arms. As fans, we are at the mercy of whatever information the news outlets feed us and we've become almost conditioned to see, hear, and read the sensationalist mantra that drives user-clicks and ad sales. Tell me that Johnny is riding an inflatable swan while clutching a bottle of champagne and Joe Sixpack will bite, yet print an article detailing his car arriving before schedule every morning in Berea and he'll pass it over. Heck, at this point is has become a self-fullfilling prophecy for critics because anytime Manziel does enjoy himself the moment will instantly be captured and blown up via social media, without mention of any other athlete doing the same.
Let us remember that prior to arriving in Cleveland Manziel was renowned for having a terrific work-ethic exemplified by his tutelage under George Whitfield each summer in San Diego. Whereas a large portion of college athletes returned home or worked summer jobs, Manziel willingly sought out a well regarded QB guru and leveraged this relationship in his committment to get better. Are we to believe that this dedicated approach to the sport was disregarded once Johnny was selected by Cleveland? I think it would be foolish to jump to that conclusion at such a nascent point in Manziel's professional career.
Truth be told, I'd argue that we will glean little insight into Johnny's development as a football player this offseason through whatever is reflected in the tabloids or newspaper because there is no way to quantify improvement until we see him step onto a football field next year. We simply do not know what work, and the utility of that work, Manziel is putting in from 9-9 or whenever. Is Manziel more committed to the Browns by drinking in the privacy of his home rather than at a bar? The next time that we see Manziel in Vegas are we going to argue that he'd become a better football player if he instead was flipping burgers at a casual backyard BBQ? I would hope not (but we will) because its an ignorant leap in logic. The professional athletes that we cheer for are not robots and do enjoy lives outside of sport. We are but given a small window, 19 weeks if we're lucky, of which to view them. The priviledge of hindsight offers that the Roethlisberger's, and Favre's, and Brady's, and Manning's did alright for themselves but lest we recall that winning has a way of curing any reasonable suspicion or care for how players utilize their personal time. And therein lays the dangers of perception that we, as fans, always struggle to interpret.
Farmer, Pettine, and the decision makers within the front-office should have the purest insight into Manziel's character, abilities, and work habits, so as difficult as it may seem at times I would argue that we should defer to their assessment of Johnny. My hope is that Johnny puts in the time and effort that will most certainly not be acknowledged by media outlets, and I will temper my judgement when his extraneous and irrevalent social exploits become media fodder.
Let us remember that prior to arriving in Cleveland Manziel was renowned for having a terrific work-ethic exemplified by his tutelage under George Whitfield each summer in San Diego.
Truth be told, I'd argue that we will glean little insight into Johnny's development as a football player this offseason through whatever is reflected in the tabloids or newspaper because there is no way to quantify improvement until we see him step onto a football field next year. We simply do not know what work, and the utility of that work, Manziel is putting in from 9-9 or whenever.
I've got your ignorant leap of logic right here...
Amazing how in retrospect we can know what we cannot know in real time.
Amazing how we can be impressed by dedicated work with a QB guru that never materialized.
Amazing how we praise "a before schedule arrival" with no knowledge of how the time was used and less evidence that it was used well.
Found this article today:
Although Mr and Mrs Cleaver could see right through Eddie Haskell...
That is freakin' scary...
And of course the Browns are looking for another quarterback. Brian Hoyer, according to most of you guys and the commentators, wants to go somewhere he will be guaranteed a starting job.
If he signs with us, I guarantee he starts. He now knows he was the best we had all along.
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Before anyone say another word about Manziel needing to change.
Read this.
"Johnny Manziel: I'm not going to change for anybody"
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So you say the browns could sign him as the starter.
Does that mean you believe johnny is a capable backup or that they will cut him and try to sign one of the other available vets as plan B?
WSS
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Since they improved by a 2-3 game margin I find it difficult to come to the conclusion they set themselves back
They also fell apart at the end of the season. Regression...
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Shaw's closer to a capable backup at the moment than Johnny, so, maybe Johnny will clear waivers for the practice squad.
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He has all the makings of being one of the biggest busts ever but he doesn't seem to get it. I think he needs drug/alcohol counseling and some professional counseling as well.
He has all the makings of being one of the biggest busts ever but he doesn't seem to get it. I think he needs drug/alcohol counseling and some professional counseling as well.
jamarcus Russell anyone.
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Since they improved by a 2-3 game margin I find it difficult to come to the conclusion they set themselves back
They also fell apart at the end of the season. Regression...
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Well no hoyer didn't beat manziel out. He beat manziel out initially, but then manziel became the starter until he got hurt. The younger qb with more upside did eventually ascend to being the starter. As expected.
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Well no hoyer didn't beat manziel out. He beat manziel out initially, but then manziel became the starter until he got hurt. The younger qb with more upside did eventually ascend to being the starter. As expected.
Well no hoyer didn't beat manziel out. He beat manziel out initially, but then manziel became the starter until he got hurt. The younger qb with more upside did eventually ascend to being the starter. As expected.
Actually Hoyer outplayed Manziel to be the starter this year. The browns only turned to Manziel once the playoffs were pretty much not a possibility. The browns wanted to start Manziel earlier but couldn't because he sucked donkey balls.. It doesn't matter how young you are. If you suck.. You suck.
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I don't despise anyone that I have never met, and only read about on the Browns Board, TMZ or heard on the news. I do think he needs to get his shit together ASAP. I think some of the anti-JFF posters are much worse then the JFF fanboys.
I don't despise anyone that I have never met, and only read about on the Browns Board, TMZ or heard on the news. I do think he needs to get his shit together ASAP. I think some of the anti-JFF posters are much worse then the JFF fanboys.
First... love "The Last Detail"... quintessential Nicholson before he became a movie star.
Second, in either direction on any topic there is an irrational tipping point. Some topics are just more polarizing than others.
Well no hoyer didn't beat manziel out. He beat manziel out initially, but then manziel became the starter until he got hurt. The younger qb with more upside did eventually ascend to being the starter. As expected.
Anyone with an ounce of objectivity saw that Hoyer lost the job. Manziel won nothing. Manziel showed in his only start why he was behind a declining Hoyer for so many weeks. And once Manziel went down, roughly a minute and a half into that second start, Hoyer showed he was still the better QB.
Haven't seen so much twistin' since Chubby Checker debuted on American Bandstand...
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Here is proof JF is putting extra time to get the Browns into the playoffs next year.
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Here is proof JF is putting extra time to get the Browns into the playoffs next year.
Here is proof JF is putting extra time to get the Browns into the playoffs next year.
Finally a gig has good at. Acting like a Retard. Shouldn't be too hard for him to get into character.
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Here is proof JF is putting extra time to get the Browns into the playoffs next year.
Here is proof JF is putting extra time to get the Browns into the playoffs next year.
Fits right in with the idiot role.
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Well, this leads to the frustration felt by most rational fans that know Manziel has the arm, legs, and mental capacity necessary to be a successful starting quarterback in the NFL, unfortunately none of which appeared during the two Sundays that mattered most in 2014. Johnny was never going to be as good as some made him seem but he also shouldn't be as bad as he played against the Bengals. He does have attributes that made and still make him an attractive prospect as the long-term solution at quarterback.
Enlighten us on those attributes.
Enlighten us on those attributes.
Sure.
- Quick release
- Arm strength
- Speed
- Agility
- Intelligence (if you believe that the Wonderlic has any predictive power?)
At the onset, you dont need to be Bill Polian to objectively realize that Manziel can make all of the throws that an NFL quarterback needs to make. Manziel's harshest critics have never questioned his ability to quickly spin the football downfield. We also know that Johnny has reasonable mobility and athleticism of which defenses will need to account for on some level. Unfortunately, these abilities and a pulse might be enough to get you drafted by Al Davis or the starting gig in Chicago but it's all for naught if you cannot read a defense and/or deliver the ball accurately.
Charlie Casserly, well respected within NFL circles and a recent hire of the Jets (and a former professor of mine), had been vocal for quite some time that he felt Manziel has the physical attributes to be a successful quarterback but his challenge will be in developing the pocket presence necessary to thrive within the confines of an NFL offense. Does this critique ring familiar to any of us that watched Manziel this season? Johnny enters a game against Buffalo in relief of Hoyer and rifles an otherwise ill-advised pass to Dray before capping off the drive with a touchdown run. In one drive we saw the physical promise of Manziel but we also got a glimpse of the mental shortcomings that would plague the next six quarters of his play. Such is life as a rookie quarterback in the NFL.
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Enlighten us on those attributes.
Sure.
- Quick release
- Arm strength
- Speed
- Agility
- Intelligence (if you believe that the Wonderlic has any predictive power?)
At the onset, you dont need to be Bill Polian to objectively realize that Manziel can make all of the throws that an NFL quarterback needs to make. Manziel's harshest critics have never questioned his ability to quickly spin the football downfield. We also know that Johnny has reasonable mobility and athleticism of which defenses will need to account for on some level. Unfortunately, these abilities and a pulse might be enough to get you drafted by Al Davis or the starting gig in Chicago but it's all for naught if you cannot read a defense and/or deliver the ball accurately.
Charlie Casserly, well respected within NFL circles and a recent hire of the Jets (and a former professor of mine), had been vocal for quite some time that he felt Manziel has the physical attributes to be a successful quarterback but his challenge will be in developing the pocket presence necessary to thrive within the confines of an NFL offense. Does this critique ring familiar to any of us that watched Manziel this season? Johnny enters a game against Buffalo in relief of Hoyer and rifles an otherwise ill-advised pass to Dray before capping off the drive with a touchdown run. In one drive we saw the physical promise of Manziel but we also got a glimpse of the mental shortcomings that would plague the next six quarters of his play. Such is life as a rookie quarterback in the NFL.
Sure.
- Quick release
- Arm strength
- Speed
- Agility
- Intelligence (if you believe that the Wonderlic has any predictive power?)
At the onset, you dont need to be Bill Polian to objectively realize that Manziel can make all of the throws that an NFL quarterback needs to make. Manziel's harshest critics have never questioned his ability to quickly spin the football downfield. We also know that Johnny has reasonable mobility and athleticism of which defenses will need to account for on some level. Unfortunately, these abilities and a pulse might be enough to get you drafted by Al Davis or the starting gig in Chicago but it's all for naught if you cannot read a defense and/or deliver the ball accurately.
Charlie Casserly, well respected within NFL circles and a recent hire of the Jets (and a former professor of mine), had been vocal for quite some time that he felt Manziel has the physical attributes to be a successful quarterback but his challenge will be in developing the pocket presence necessary to thrive within the confines of an NFL offense. Does this critique ring familiar to any of us that watched Manziel this season? Johnny enters a game against Buffalo in relief of Hoyer and rifles an otherwise ill-advised pass to Dray before capping off the drive with a touchdown run. In one drive we saw the physical promise of Manziel but we also got a glimpse of the mental shortcomings that would plague the next six quarters of his play. Such is life as a rookie quarterback in the NFL.
Somebody get Casserly on the phone and see if he will give us a 5th round pick for JFF.
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Enlighten us on those attributes.
Sure.
- Quick release
- Arm strength
- Speed
- Agility
- Intelligence (if you believe that the Wonderlic has any predictive power?)
At the onset, you dont need to be Bill Polian to objectively realize that Manziel can make all of the throws that an NFL quarterback needs to make. Manziel's harshest critics have never questioned his ability to quickly spin the football downfield. We also know that Johnny has reasonable mobility and athleticism of which defenses will need to account for on some level. Unfortunately, these abilities and a pulse might be enough to get you drafted by Al Davis or the starting gig in Chicago but it's all for naught if you cannot read a defense and/or deliver the ball accurately.
Charlie Casserly, well respected within NFL circles and a recent hire of the Jets (and a former professor of mine), had been vocal for quite some time that he felt Manziel has the physical attributes to be a successful quarterback but his challenge will be in developing the pocket presence necessary to thrive within the confines of an NFL offense. Does this critique ring familiar to any of us that watched Manziel this season? Johnny enters a game against Buffalo in relief of Hoyer and rifles an otherwise ill-advised pass to Dray before capping off the drive with a touchdown run. In one drive we saw the physical promise of Manziel but we also got a glimpse of the mental shortcomings that would plague the next six quarters of his play. Such is life as a rookie quarterback in the NFL.
Sure.
- Quick release
- Arm strength
- Speed
- Agility
- Intelligence (if you believe that the Wonderlic has any predictive power?)
At the onset, you dont need to be Bill Polian to objectively realize that Manziel can make all of the throws that an NFL quarterback needs to make. Manziel's harshest critics have never questioned his ability to quickly spin the football downfield. We also know that Johnny has reasonable mobility and athleticism of which defenses will need to account for on some level. Unfortunately, these abilities and a pulse might be enough to get you drafted by Al Davis or the starting gig in Chicago but it's all for naught if you cannot read a defense and/or deliver the ball accurately.
Charlie Casserly, well respected within NFL circles and a recent hire of the Jets (and a former professor of mine), had been vocal for quite some time that he felt Manziel has the physical attributes to be a successful quarterback but his challenge will be in developing the pocket presence necessary to thrive within the confines of an NFL offense. Does this critique ring familiar to any of us that watched Manziel this season? Johnny enters a game against Buffalo in relief of Hoyer and rifles an otherwise ill-advised pass to Dray before capping off the drive with a touchdown run. In one drive we saw the physical promise of Manziel but we also got a glimpse of the mental shortcomings that would plague the next six quarters of his play. Such is life as a rookie quarterback in the NFL.
Quick release - Nope
Arm strength - Average
Speed - Faster than a statue not as fast a premier running QB's
Agility - Above average for pocket QB, average for running QB
Intelligence - Football IQ is way below average, Can't read defenses, Makes extremely poor decisions after the snap, doesn't put the work in during the week. Who cares what his Wonderlic score was, Ryan Fitzpatrick has one or the highest Wonderlic scores ever. You want him? Gross
The Critics have questioned every aspect of Manziel's game and whether it would translate to the NFL. So far the critics have been 100% accurate. If Manziel is being drafted by Al then something went horribly wrong Al's league is dead.
Charlie Casserly, ROFLMAO If I wanted to fuck a team over for a decade plus he'd the first GM on my list. Three plus years of having Charlie as GM will cost your organization ten years to recover from. I know after Charlie screwed over the Redskins and Texans he tried to get a job with the NFL front office. I guess fucking up one team at a time was no longer a challenge to him. Charlie has always been below average at evaluating talent and absolutely horrible "maybe worst ever" in evaluating QB's. Look at his track record.
1990 Gary Conklin 4th round
1992 Chris Hakel 4th round
1994 Heath Shuler 3rd pick 1st round
1994 Gus Frerotte 7th round
2002 David Carr 1st pick 1st round
2003 Dave Ragone 3rd round
2003 Drew Henson 6th round
2004 B.J. Symons 7th round
Don't get me wrong I actually love Charlie and I'm happy he's going to the Jet's. I enjoy playing the game within the game and no other GM has made me more money. However if I was an owner and Charlie told me he wanted x QB I'd immediately take that QB off my board. I'd be fuck Charlie want's this guy so you know he won't pan out....Next
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@everlastingxxx said:
The Brown on Hard Knocks next season will be must watch TV.
I didn't think they chose a team yet. Am I wrong?
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Sure.
- Quick release
- Arm strength
- Speed
- Agility
- Intelligence (if you believe that the Wonderlic has any predictive power?)
At the onset, you dont need to be Bill Polian to objectively realize that Manziel can make all of the throws that an NFL quarterback needs to make. Manziel's harshest critics have never questioned his ability to quickly spin the football downfield. We also know that Johnny has reasonable mobility and athleticism of which defenses will need to account for on some level. Unfortunately, these abilities and a pulse might be enough to get you drafted by Al Davis or the starting gig in Chicago but it's all for naught if you cannot read a defense and/or deliver the ball accurately.
Charlie Casserly, well respected within NFL circles and a recent hire of the Jets (and a former professor of mine), had been vocal for quite some time that he felt Manziel has the physical attributes to be a successful quarterback but his challenge will be in developing the pocket presence necessary to thrive within the confines of an NFL offense. Does this critique ring familiar to any of us that watched Manziel this season? Johnny enters a game against Buffalo in relief of Hoyer and rifles an otherwise ill-advised pass to Dray before capping off the drive with a touchdown run. In one drive we saw the physical promise of Manziel but we also got a glimpse of the mental shortcomings that would plague the next six quarters of his play. Such is life as a rookie quarterback in the NFL.
Quick release - Nope
Arm strength - Average
Speed - Faster than a statue not as fast a premier running QB's
Agility - Above average for pocket QB, average for running QB
Intelligence - Football IQ is way below average, Can't read defenses, Makes extremely poor decisions after the snap, doesn't put the work in during the week. Who cares what his Wonderlic score was, Ryan Fitzpatrick has one or the highest Wonderlic scores ever. You want him? Gross
The Critics have questioned every aspect of Manziel's game and whether it would translate to the NFL. So far the critics have been 100% accurate. If Manziel is being drafted by Al then something went horribly wrong Al's league is dead.
Charlie Casserly, ROFLMAO If I wanted to fuck a team over for a decade plus he'd the first GM on my list. Three plus years of having Charlie as GM will cost your organization ten years to recover from. I know after Charlie screwed over the Redskins and Texans he tried to get a job with the NFL front office. I guess fucking up one team at a time was no longer a challenge to him. Charlie has always been below average at evaluating talent and absolutely horrible "maybe worst ever" in evaluating QB's. Look at his track record.
1990 Gary Conklin 4th round
1992 Chris Hakel 4th round
1994 Heath Shuler 3rd pick 1st round
1994 Gus Frerotte 7th round
2002 David Carr 1st pick 1st round
2003 Dave Ragone 3rd round
2003 Drew Henson 6th round
2004 B.J. Symons 7th round
Don't get me wrong I actually love Charlie and I'm happy he's going to the Jet's. I enjoy playing the game within the game and no other GM has made me more money. However if I was an owner and Charlie told me he wanted x QB I'd immediately take that QB off my board. I'd be fuck Charlie want's this guy so you know he won't pan out....Next
Quick release - Nope
Arm strength - Average
Speed - Faster than a statue not as fast a premier running QB's
Agility - Above average for pocket QB, average for running QB
Intelligence - Football IQ is way below average, Can't read defenses, Makes extremely poor decisions after the snap, doesn't put the work in during the week. Who cares what his Wonderlic score was, Ryan Fitzpatrick has one or the highest Wonderlic scores ever. You want him? Gross
The Critics have questioned every aspect of Manziel's game and whether it would translate to the NFL. So far the critics have been 100% accurate. If Manziel is being drafted by Al then something went horribly wrong Al's league is dead.
Charlie Casserly, ROFLMAO If I wanted to fuck a team over for a decade plus he'd the first GM on my list. Three plus years of having Charlie as GM will cost your organization ten years to recover from. I know after Charlie screwed over the Redskins and Texans he tried to get a job with the NFL front office. I guess fucking up one team at a time was no longer a challenge to him. Charlie has always been below average at evaluating talent and absolutely horrible "maybe worst ever" in evaluating QB's. Look at his track record.
1990 Gary Conklin 4th round
1992 Chris Hakel 4th round
1994 Heath Shuler 3rd pick 1st round
1994 Gus Frerotte 7th round
2002 David Carr 1st pick 1st round
2003 Dave Ragone 3rd round
2003 Drew Henson 6th round
2004 B.J. Symons 7th round
Don't get me wrong I actually love Charlie and I'm happy he's going to the Jet's. I enjoy playing the game within the game and no other GM has made me more money. However if I was an owner and Charlie told me he wanted x QB I'd immediately take that QB off my board. I'd be fuck Charlie want's this guy so you know he won't pan out....Next
Casserly sure does have a spotty history drafting and *developing* quarterbacks but I was referencing his comments because he was among the "analysts" (loose term) more critical of Manziel while some others including Gruden, McShay, Warner, Kiper, etc seemed mesmerized by Johnny's college highlights prior to the season. Sure, certain talking heads claimed that his arm was average but it seemed to me that the majority of prognosticators were comfortable ceding the point that Johnny could throw the ball. The main criticism was and remains to be that Manziel entered the League with almost no discernable pocket presence and may lack the committment to self-improvement.
Since the Bengals game its become en vogue to claim that Manziel is simply the latest in a line of scatbacks masquarading as a quarterback but lest we forget that he was regarded as having the physical skillset necessary to succeed as a passing quarterback. This was not a Tim Tebow redux. Manziel is able to throw a downfield pass without skipping the ball five yards beyond his target (insert hyberbolic joke here). Additionally, I cited his Wonderlic score because it reflects that Johnny has some reasonable semblance of intelligence and at least has the ability to take something seriously related to his profession. Sure, its admittably the biggest reach of any quantifiable data collected on a prospect, but short of having his academic transcript released I dont know of many other ways of which to help ascertain the intellectual capacity of a football player. Fitzpatrick did indeed dominate the Wonderlic and it's reflected by his almost universal regard as one of the smarter quarterbacks in football, of whom has managed to parlay his intelligence and poor arm into an NFL career. The hope with Johnny is that he might develop into a player that can marry what I consider to be above-average physical abilities with the intelligence necessary to read NFL defenses. It will be a process, as it has been for every rookie quarterback.
I dont think that there is much debate that Johnny Manziel underwhelmed in his seven quarters of football as a 21-22 year old. I dont think that there is much debate that Brian Hoyer was the best option behind center for the Browns in 2014. What I will dispute is that Manzie did not demonstrate any NFL talent and I'm rather confident that Pettine, Farmer, and the front office know better than to operate under the ridiculous assumption that young talent does not improve and mature.
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Sure.
- Quick release
- Arm strength
- Speed
- Agility
- Intelligence (if you believe that the Wonderlic has any predictive power?)
At the onset, you dont need to be Bill Polian to objectively realize that Manziel can make all of the throws that an NFL quarterback needs to make. Manziel's harshest critics have never questioned his ability to quickly spin the football downfield. We also know that Johnny has reasonable mobility and athleticism of which defenses will need to account for on some level. Unfortunately, these abilities and a pulse might be enough to get you drafted by Al Davis or the starting gig in Chicago but it's all for naught if you cannot read a defense and/or deliver the ball accurately.
Charlie Casserly, well respected within NFL circles and a recent hire of the Jets (and a former professor of mine), had been vocal for quite some time that he felt Manziel has the physical attributes to be a successful quarterback but his challenge will be in developing the pocket presence necessary to thrive within the confines of an NFL offense. Does this critique ring familiar to any of us that watched Manziel this season? Johnny enters a game against Buffalo in relief of Hoyer and rifles an otherwise ill-advised pass to Dray before capping off the drive with a touchdown run. In one drive we saw the physical promise of Manziel but we also got a glimpse of the mental shortcomings that would plague the next six quarters of his play. Such is life as a rookie quarterback in the NFL.
Quick release - Nope
Arm strength - Average
Speed - Faster than a statue not as fast a premier running QB's
Agility - Above average for pocket QB, average for running QB
Intelligence - Football IQ is way below average, Can't read defenses, Makes extremely poor decisions after the snap, doesn't put the work in during the week. Who cares what his Wonderlic score was, Ryan Fitzpatrick has one or the highest Wonderlic scores ever. You want him? Gross
The Critics have questioned every aspect of Manziel's game and whether it would translate to the NFL. So far the critics have been 100% accurate. If Manziel is being drafted by Al then something went horribly wrong Al's league is dead.
Charlie Casserly, ROFLMAO If I wanted to fuck a team over for a decade plus he'd the first GM on my list. Three plus years of having Charlie as GM will cost your organization ten years to recover from. I know after Charlie screwed over the Redskins and Texans he tried to get a job with the NFL front office. I guess fucking up one team at a time was no longer a challenge to him. Charlie has always been below average at evaluating talent and absolutely horrible "maybe worst ever" in evaluating QB's. Look at his track record.
1990 Gary Conklin 4th round
1992 Chris Hakel 4th round
1994 Heath Shuler 3rd pick 1st round
1994 Gus Frerotte 7th round
2002 David Carr 1st pick 1st round
2003 Dave Ragone 3rd round
2003 Drew Henson 6th round
2004 B.J. Symons 7th round
Don't get me wrong I actually love Charlie and I'm happy he's going to the Jet's. I enjoy playing the game within the game and no other GM has made me more money. However if I was an owner and Charlie told me he wanted x QB I'd immediately take that QB off my board. I'd be fuck Charlie want's this guy so you know he won't pan out....Next
Charlie Casserly, ROFLMAO If I wanted to fuck a team over for a decade plus he'd the first GM on my list. Three plus years of having Charlie as GM will cost your organization ten years to recover from. I know after Charlie screwed over the Redskins and Texans he tried to get a job with the NFL front office. I guess fucking up one team at a time was no longer a challenge to him. Charlie has always been below average at evaluating talent and absolutely horrible "maybe worst ever" in evaluating QB's. Look at his track record.
1990 Gary Conklin 4th round
1992 Chris Hakel 4th round
1994 Heath Shuler 3rd pick 1st round
1994 Gus Frerotte 7th round
2002 David Carr 1st pick 1st round
2003 Dave Ragone 3rd round
2003 Drew Henson 6th round
2004 B.J. Symons 7th round
Don't get me wrong I actually love Charlie and I'm happy he's going to the Jet's. I enjoy playing the game within the game and no other GM has made me more money. However if I was an owner and Charlie told me he wanted x QB I'd immediately take that QB off my board. I'd be fuck Charlie want's this guy so you know he won't pan out....Next
As an aside....if Casserly ever went missing, David Carr should be the first person that they come to speak with. David Carr was sacked 76 times his rookie season...SEVENTY SIX times. He was sacked 68 times just a few seasons later. To put that into context, Brian Hoyer was sacked 18 times this year. I really wonder if Carr could've actually developed into a solid NFL quarterback if he hadn't become shell-shocked in Houston.
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Really well written... doesn't make it persuasive, but it's really well written.
Polian, who is no Casserly, liked Manziel. That's undeniable. But Bill always said that he did not know whether Johnny is a "16-game, NFL QB". So far he's not even a two-game.
@everlastingxxx said:
Not yet. Hard Knocks wanted the Browns this past season but couldnt because Pettine was a 1st year head coach. They are exempt. Playoff teams are also exempt. Browns cant escape this time!
True... can't escape this season, but if another team wants the gig (for some reason), they take volunteers.
Actually Hard Knocks could be good for us... Johnny could get his airtime at work.
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