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  • @shepwrite said:

    I have a feeling the Browns are gonna sign Derrick Ward and cut Lewis, go with a Ward and Harrison tandem. Bring in a right side blocker, a TE, and a serious starting wide receiver so we can put Stallworth in the slot. Sounds good to me.

    Don't tease me shep, its too long before the season to be doing that to a man...

  • why hasn't raiderman been banned yet? the admin needs to do something

    as for lewis, given they just traded huge talent in winslow, there is no way he stays, maybe as a vet backup at most. although he's probably getting paid too much for that role.

  • @shepwrite said:

    I have a feeling the Browns are gonna sign Derrick Ward and cut Lewis, go with a Ward and Harrison tandem. Bring in a right side blocker, a TE, and a serious starting wide receiver so we can put Stallworth in the slot. Sounds good to me.

    That aint fair.... because just by saying it you know its not gonna happen now.

  • @shepwrite said:

    I have a feeling the Browns are gonna sign Derrick Ward and cut Lewis, go with a Ward and Harrison tandem. Bring in a right side blocker, a TE, and a serious starting wide receiver so we can put Stallworth in the slot. Sounds good to me.

    How about Chris Baker also?

    I would love to purge Lewis too for a guy like Ward.

  • Didn't Chris Baker get picked up by the Pats earlier?

    EDIT: Yeah, Baker got signed by the Pats.

    http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/27/patriots-r...h-ex-jet-baker/

  • @beefjerky said:

    I am now starting to think that MANKOK has really jumped the gun on this deal, surely there is plenty of teams in the NFL who would have offered a better deal than that. was today the first day teams could do trades?

    Dude... just read for a while.

    GM's don't just jump the gun on deals like that. I'm sure there was def more than Tampa involved in this.

    AdaM said:

    Dude... just read for a while.

    GM's don't just jump the gun on deals like that. I'm sure there was def more than Tampa involved in this.

    Jumping the gun is people already calling for a head to be chopped off because we have ANY clue what our draft picks are. I loved seeing "I AM GONG TO BE LEADING THE CHANT TO FIRE HIM" wow. First day, knowing nothing just tossing people under the bus. Look I been a browns fan all my life. Ya may not be 70 years like some but I do understand before we call for someones head lets at least get the facts lol. You can not have the first brush stroke of a painting and say it is crap or a masterpiece. Lets wait for this to develop before we put his head on the cast iron fences near the field and (*i miss the really good smiley faces that I could of used here. was looking for a skull xxxxing one lol*)

    On to my personal Opinion I think we are following any GMs/ head coach strat. Change personnel, clear the fat or cancer on the roster and draft away. I liked K2 but I also believe the roster we had could have only went so far. We need a change in mentality in Cleveland and try to find a identity for this team. Sometimes that is getting rid of the players that don't make that up. I just think we got to wait and see how we are when the smoke clears from the draft. That was my 2 cents since i read all 8 pages 😛

  • D dtm

    Masters said:

    That is a gross exageration on BE. Dude developed gator arms after getting creamed all of the 2007 season. BE is really the player he was in 2007, not the guy we saw in 2008. Not to mention D's went out of their way to take BE out of games.

    No, BE is the player that you saw in 2008, he had one good year and got cocky, since he went to the pro bowl once, now he thinks he is the greatest ever

    and doesn't have to play hard, he is a pro bowler and therefore shouldn't have to try, things are supposed to happen for him. He is a "me me me " player and

    a bum at best.

    @dtm said:

    No, BE is the player that you saw in 2008, he had one good year and got cocky, since he went to the pro bowl once, now he thinks he is the greatest ever

    and doesn't have to play hard, he is a pro bowler and therefore shouldn't have to try, things are supposed to happen for him. He is a "me me me " player and

    a bum at best.

    a bum? you wouldn't survive a day in practice wearing Braylon's shoes. this is totally off base. you obviously have no clue.

  • i always wondered where warm weather prioritized w/ him. good for him. cold weather sux. (i love it though). he can be a king down there after they swept so many out.

    it's a win win. seems like a much better fit for him.

    Good for you Kellen. Good luck to you. I hope everything works out for you down there.

  • Whoa! Something always seems to happen while I'm sleeping. Not sure how I feel about it yet. I'd feel alot better if Heiden was 3 years younger and Rucker were a bit more seasoned. As always, draft picks are good as long as they're not bad 😉

    Doug

  • Zombo said:

    If that's true, then that is an absolute crappy deal and mankok is a huge 0-1.

    Trading a play-making, committed, 80-catch-a-year Pro Bowl tight end for a third round pick ...

    What the ****?

    Zombo

    the guy has years of film we don't Zombo, fiilm that never aired most importantly. that's the unknown.

    i trust the move. they're only as strong as their weakest link. i support the decision completely.

  • NFL Network is reporting the Browns will get a second round pick this year and a fifth round pick next year. I now officially don't agree with this trade.

    @the-irishman said:

    NFL Network is reporting the Browns will get a second round pick this year and a fifth round pick next year. I now officially don't agree with this trade.

    You were never going to haul in a 1st round pick for Winslow. I'm not sure if that's what you are implying but if it is that was never going to occur. The 2nd round pick this year should pay dividends especially in a class with more than few bruising tailbacks. Now you'll be able to sure up your LB/CB/RB with the first and the two 2nds and all for a player that was a cancer in the locker room in my opinion. The guy was a f.ucking toolbox guys with quite a few injuries. I don't think it's a smash it but it's far from a bad trade. The Bucs have a pick in the middle of the round correct?

  • When you say "undisclosed picks" that usually means "there's no first-rounder."

    Make no mistake about it - we're dumping this talented cancer.

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    When you say "undisclosed picks" that usually means "there's no first-rounder."

    Make no mistake about it - we're dumping this talented cancer.

    or he's bailing.

    whether it's for bluer skies or a dislike of the new Browns philosophy.

    it helps #'s-wise so the FO would obviously be open to it, regardless of who initiated it.

    i always felt he was a square peg in a round hole in CLE. it feels right to me.

  • @heckofajobbrownie said:

    When you say "undisclosed picks" that usually means "there's no first-rounder."

    Make no mistake about it - we're dumping this talented cancer.

    or he's bailing.

    whether it's for bluer skies or a dislike of the new Browns philosophy.

    it helps #'s-wise so the FO would obviously be open to it, regardless of who initiated it.

    i always felt he was a square peg in a round hole in CLE. it feels right to me.

    @sisky-fringo said:

    or he's bailing.

    whether it's for bluer skies or a dislike of the new Browns philosophy.

    it helps #'s-wise so the FO would obviously be open to it, regardless of who initiated it.

    i always felt he was a square peg in a round hole in CLE. it feels right to me.

    That doesn't make sense.

    No matter the type of offensive philosophy that you run, a good TE of Winslow’s caliber, always fits. Sure, he wasn’t the best blocker (actually I think he would have been fine but for his chronically bad knees and bad shoulder.) Sure, the Browns, and especially in the AFC North, wanted to run a smash-mouth run game. That’s why we had Heiden and Dinkins for short yardage guys, and why we had cool formations that put Thomas on the right outside Schaffer (two tackle right side.)

  • Reghi is saying it looks like the Browns will get a 2nd Rd pick in the 09 draft and 5th Rd pick in the 10 draft.

  • @sisky-fringo said:

    or he's bailing.

    whether it's for bluer skies or a dislike of the new Browns philosophy.

    it helps #'s-wise so the FO would obviously be open to it, regardless of who initiated it.

    i always felt he was a square peg in a round hole in CLE. it feels right to me.

    That doesn't make sense.

    No matter the type of offensive philosophy that you run, a good TE of Winslow’s caliber, always fits. Sure, he wasn’t the best blocker (actually I think he would have been fine but for his chronically bad knees and bad shoulder.) Sure, the Browns, and especially in the AFC North, wanted to run a smash-mouth run game. That’s why we had Heiden and Dinkins for short yardage guys, and why we had cool formations that put Thomas on the right outside Schaffer (two tackle right side.)

    @thaak said:

    That doesn't make sense.

    No matter the type of offensive philosophy that you run, a good TE of Winslow’s caliber, always fits. Sure, he wasn’t the best blocker (actually I think he would have been fine but for his chronically bad knees and bad shoulder.) Sure, the Browns, and especially in the AFC North, wanted to run a smash-mouth run game. That’s why we had Heiden and Dinkins for short yardage guys, and why we had cool formations that put Thomas on the right outside Schaffer (two tackle right side.)

    That doesn't make sense. Short yardage gains? That's pretty predictable for the other teams D. Sorry "Cool" formations don't cut it, we didn't score for 6 games, something has to change.

  • @sisky-fringo said:

    or he's bailing.

    whether it's for bluer skies or a dislike of the new Browns philosophy.

    it helps #'s-wise so the FO would obviously be open to it, regardless of who initiated it.

    i always felt he was a square peg in a round hole in CLE. it feels right to me.

    That doesn't make sense.

    No matter the type of offensive philosophy that you run, a good TE of Winslow’s caliber, always fits. Sure, he wasn’t the best blocker (actually I think he would have been fine but for his chronically bad knees and bad shoulder.) Sure, the Browns, and especially in the AFC North, wanted to run a smash-mouth run game. That’s why we had Heiden and Dinkins for short yardage guys, and why we had cool formations that put Thomas on the right outside Schaffer (two tackle right side.)

    @thaak said:

    That doesn't make sense.

    No matter the type of offensive philosophy that you run, a good TE of Winslow’s caliber, always fits. Sure, he wasn’t the best blocker (actually I think he would have been fine but for his chronically bad knees and bad shoulder.) Sure, the Browns, and especially in the AFC North, wanted to run a smash-mouth run game. That’s why we had Heiden and Dinkins for short yardage guys, and why we had cool formations that put Thomas on the right outside Schaffer (two tackle right side.)

    One issue w/ that. Switching in a blocking TE for Winslow telegraphs the plays. That was one bad thing about Winslow's weak knees preventing him from blocking.

  • @shepwrite said:

    I have a feeling the Browns are gonna sign Derrick Ward and cut Lewis, go with a Ward and Harrison tandem. Bring in a right side blocker, a TE, and a serious starting wide receiver so we can put Stallworth in the slot. Sounds good to me.

    I'd have no problem with that trade unlike this one. Lewis needs to go he's washed up. The guy was in the top 5 in carries in the NFL last year yet had one of the worst yards per carry AVG in the NFL. He's a bum unlike Winslow..

    @ithika said:

    I'd have no problem with that trade unlike this one. Lewis needs to go he's washed up. The guy was in the top 5 in carries in the NFL last year yet had one of the worst yards per carry AVG in the NFL. He's a bum unlike Winslow..

    and he ran against the steelers and ravens 4X. you underestimate the AFCN.

  • Reghi is saying it looks like the Browns will get a 2nd Rd pick in the 09 draft and 5th Rd pick in the 10 draft.

    @booker said:

    Reghi is saying it looks like the Browns will get a 2nd Rd pick in the 09 draft and 5th Rd pick in the 10 draft.

    I like it.

  • Yeah, SI is reporting that we got a '09 2nd and a '10 5th.

  • @thaak said:

    That doesn't make sense.

    No matter the type of offensive philosophy that you run, a good TE of Winslow’s caliber, always fits. Sure, he wasn’t the best blocker (actually I think he would have been fine but for his chronically bad knees and bad shoulder.) Sure, the Browns, and especially in the AFC North, wanted to run a smash-mouth run game. That’s why we had Heiden and Dinkins for short yardage guys, and why we had cool formations that put Thomas on the right outside Schaffer (two tackle right side.)

    That doesn't make sense. Short yardage gains? That's pretty predictable for the other teams D. Sorry "Cool" formations don't cut it, we didn't score for 6 games, something has to change.

    @kosar_for_president said:

    That doesn't make sense. Short yardage gains? That's pretty predictable for the other teams D. Sorry "Cool" formations don't cut it, we didn't score for 6 games, something has to change.

    The same cool formations were very successful in 2007.

    2008 was bad because of poor play on the O-line, injuries, lack of a running game, and terrible QB play.