Jonathan Paul Manziel
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college speed means that there might be 2 or 3 defenders on the team you are playing against that are fast (or really what they mean is NFL caliber).
in the nfl everyone is fast because only those nfl caliber players start in the nfl.
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What I got out of that B/R article was that Johnny was able to HoneyDick certain NFL front offices and owners. Obviously that would very much include Haslam - hook, line and sinker.
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So says this guy.
I tend to agree with him. I hope I am proven wrong but I just don't see a starting NFL QB, on the field or off, from what I have seen. Just like Quinn and Weeden, he just doesn't feel like a guy who is going to do great things in the NFL. Again ... hope I wrong. (Or they trade him ... then I hope I'm right)
http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2015/01/05/browns-analysis-petrak-labels-manziel-bust/
I expect Johnny Manziel to be the Week 1 starter for the Browns in 2015.
It’s the most likely scenario for a guy chosen with the 22nd pick on a quarterback-needy team owned by a huge fan of Manziel.
I would dump Manziel at the first opportunity if I were owner Jimmy Haslam and general manager Ray Farmer.
After eight months with the Browns, it’s time for Johnny Football to become Johnny Waiver Wire. Or preferably, Johnny Trade Bait.
I agree with those who say six quarters as the starter isn’t enough time to adequately judge Manziel. But any decision to part with Manziel — via trade or release — goes well beyond the small sample size on Sundays.
He isn’t talented enough or dedicated enough to succeed at the game’s most important position. And I don’t see that changing.
Let’s start on the field.
Manziel looked overwhelmed, managing only a field goal in his time as starter. More disturbing was how pedestrian Manziel appeared physically. First-round picks are supposed to be the most gifted of the gifted. Manziel isn’t.
We can debate whether his 5-foot-11¾ frame is an issue. What’s clear to me is his vaunted athleticism didn’t translate from Texas A&M to the NFL. The arm strength is average, the speed unimpressive.
Manziel can zip the ball, but only if the circumstances are perfect: clean pocket, time and room to set his feet and torque his body. Those variables rarely happen in the NFL. A quarterback needs a strong enough arm to make throws on the move and in traffic.
I saw plenty of Manziel in training camp to get an accurate read of his arm. What wasn’t evident until the regular season was how he couldn’t affect the game with his legs.
He made the nice 10-yard touchdown run versus Buffalo when the middle of the field was wide open. But with the Bengals and Panthers prepared for him, he looked slow and did nothing on the ground. The defensive ends were as fast as he was, and the linebackers faster.
Farmer disagrees. At least publicly.
In his season wrapup news conference last week, Farmer said he still expects big things out of Manziel. He still believes he can be a “solid starter,” and that the skills evident when he became the first freshman to win the Heisman Trophy will resurface in the NFL.
I don’t see it. I never liked Manziel as a prospect. Obviously Haslam and Farmer felt differently before the draft, which is why I expect Manziel to get another opportunity.
He doesn’t deserve it.
As bad as Manziel’s been on the field, he’s been worse off of it. He’s too immature for a position where leadership is critical.
Manziel sold Haslam and Farmer on the notion he had grown up after numerous slipups at Texas A&M. He hasn’t changed.
His coaches and teammates praise his competitiveness, but it can’t compete with his cravings for celebrity.
Even when times are rough — bad play, late-night fight, missed treatment — he desires the spotlight. He can’t stand being out of the headlines or fading into the background, even for a couple of days.
A quarterback can’t think like that. He must be motivated by winning. Manziel’s priorities are flawed.
He’s also lying to himself, his teammates and the organization when he says he’s learned from his mistakes. That was obvious in the last couple of weeks.
Manziel knew his rookie year had been a disappointment, so he pleaded in a pair of interviews to be the starter next season. He admitted he needed to take the job more seriously.
Four days later he overslept after partying the night before, missed treatment for his hamstring and was fined. He again apologized in the media, this time on the day after the season.
He sounded truly conflicted. He realized he continues to mess up, but seemed powerless to stop the cycle.
The promises to shape up rang hollow yet again when only hours later he was shown partying in Miami in a video on social media.
The next couple of days he posted his own pictures of him on the beach and out at night.
The Browns should no longer ignore the pattern of behavior. Each incident can be rationalized. But put them together, and they reveal a quarterback who can’t handle the responsibilities of the job.
How can the Browns trust that Manziel will finally get it? That he’ll mature before next season, despite having the next few months to himself?
Coach Mike Pettine surely can’t trust Manziel. Especially with a roster of veterans who demand, and deserve, a quarterback who’s as committed as they are.
I’m ready to call Manziel a bust. It’s time to see if the Cowboys or Jets or another team looking for attention is willing to give up a third- or fourth-round pick in the hopes he can recapture the magic he had in college.
The Browns should be smart enough to know that won’t happen.
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I hope that pint sized fruit proves everyone wrong for the sake of the Browns. I just don't see it happening.
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Really? Do we need this now?
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next season will tell.
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"I never liked Manziel as a prospect."
That tainted the article which is another in a long line of self serving I told you so's.
One thing I think he failed to get a real handle on is JF's missing meetings. If I'm the Browns FO I insist to JF that if he wants a future in this organization, then he will be required to attend alcohol education classes. You can do this without calling someone an alcoholic since true ones go right to denial anyway. But you can insist he learn that if alcohol has caused you problems such as oversleeping, failure to set alarms, missing work or rehab. etc., then you have a problem with alcohol. It is much harder to deny it has caused you problems than it is to deny alcoholism. It's a tactic I took often with people in a 30 year counseling career. Best thing is you use no labels such as "addict", "alcoholic" etc. and stick to the facts of what problems it has caused in a person's life.
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The off-the-field stuff reeks of immaturity but I am not close enough to the situation to make a judgment and would rather not rely on media reports and social media, I prefer to give the kid the benefit of the doubt when it comes to growing up and taking the job more seriously.
But THIS is exactly what I saw too:
Manziel looked overwhelmed, managing only a field goal in his time as starter. More disturbing was how pedestrian Manziel appeared physically. First-round picks are supposed to be the most gifted of the gifted. Manziel isn’t.
We can debate whether his 5-foot-11¾ frame is an issue. What’s clear to me is his vaunted athleticism didn’t translate from Texas A&M to the NFL. The arm strength is average, the speed unimpressive.
Manziel can zip the ball, but only if the circumstances are perfect: clean pocket, time and room to set his feet and torque his body. Those variables rarely happen in the NFL. A quarterback needs a strong enough arm to make throws on the move and in traffic.
I saw plenty of Manziel in training camp to get an accurate read of his arm. What wasn’t evident until the regular season was how he couldn’t affect the game with his legs.
He made the nice 10-yard touchdown run versus Buffalo when the middle of the field was wide open. But with the Bengals and Panthers prepared for him, he looked slow and did nothing on the ground. The defensive ends were as fast as he was, and the linebackers faster.
Physically, he looked very pedestrian to me. Beyond worrisome. Like we drafted a guy in the first round that should be playing in Canada.
Zombo
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The right quarterback pick in the last draft would have put the club in a really good position right now. As it is we again have a huge quarterback issue going into next season. We can't afford what it would cost to pick up Mariota, we have to improve both our offensive and defensive lines. It would have been nice to have seen JM taking this season more seriously and to have worked harder to improve his play. Connor Shaw looked more confident and in control of the offense than JM and Shaw never had the opportunity all season to work with the offense like JM.
Hoyer may be gone soon and I personally see him as our best hope for a good season this year. The other options I see as a lot less promising of drafting a QB and the time it would take to develop, Manziel living up to his hype, or a bringing in a veteran quarterback.
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Don't care right now. Glad the season is over.
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X fortunately I think the Browns have a little too much pride to realize this.if the only two quarterbacks on the Browns roster was Brian Hoyer and Conner Shaw with the same record attitudes towards this team would be much more positive. plus the Browns would have way more options going forward at the quarterback position. they could re-sign Hoyer and have the ability to draft any quarterback in any round of the draft and people would be pumped.
unfortunately they're going to let the guy that is obviously 100% better than Johnny Manziel walk and probably rig free agency by bringing in a veteran thatin their own mind justify starting Menzel week 1. believe it or not I am NOT looking forward to the 2015 Brown's campaign. and that in itself is complete bullshit after the steps this team made this year
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Who knows. The Johnny train may not have derailed, but it is wobbling for sure.
Guess we will find out by the end of August at the earliest, end of Oct. at the latest.
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maybe this might do it.
i know the season is over but THIS is funny. guess his popularity is running a little low nowadays........even in texas.
http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2015/01/05/johnny-manziel-drinks-thrown-at-qb-at-houston-nightclub
tmz sports. lol.
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maybe this might do it.
i know the season is over but THIS is funny. guess his popularity is running a little low nowadays........even in texas.
http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2015/01/05/johnny-manziel-drinks-thrown-at-qb-at-houston-nightclub
tmz sports. lol.
maybe this might do it.
i know the season is over but THIS is funny. guess his popularity is running a little low nowadays........even in texas.
http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2015/01/05/johnny-manziel-drinks-thrown-at-qb-at-houston-nightclub
tmz sports. lol.
Really? I mean really?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
maybe this might do it.
i know the season is over but THIS is funny. guess his popularity is running a little low nowadays........even in texas.
http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2015/01/05/johnny-manziel-drinks-thrown-at-qb-at-houston-nightclub
tmz sports. lol.
Really? I mean really?
Really? I mean really?
really.
i mean if i were the embarrassment of a franchise (if not the league) and i was serious about turning myself around and becoming a legit nfl QB i think i'd be in the first QB camp there was, i'd be with my QB guru the day after i cleaned out my locker and i'd be doing a 'rocky' for the 6 months leading up to training camp.
but no. let's go out to a club where everyone will recognize me and my face will be splattered all over the internet even though i know i'm skating on thin ice with the team that drafted me.
i'm betting this is going to be the ongoing theme throughout the offseason as manziel thinks he has the tools already and doesn't have to work for it OR he just doesn't give a shit. or both.
or maybe his end game is he wants out of cleveland.
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i don't think its Cleveland. its him
but with this type of behavior, i think there is a plan. out of all his other shortcomings (hee hee) being stupid is not one.
he could be shoving this in ownership's face in order for him to get traded or cut, hoping that one of the texas teams will bite. therefore getting him home and into an even bigger media circus where his brand will only grow.
his stock is only going to continue to drop in cleveland if he doesn't turn it around....and fast. and by all accounts he just doesn't give a fuck.
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