Jonathan Paul Manziel
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@everlastingxxx said:
tldr
Premature ejaculators, opps i mean evaluators.
I agree, the sample size is small.
"I never liked Manziel as a prospect."
That tainted the article which is another in a long line of self serving I told you so's.
One thing I think he failed to get a real handle on is JF's missing meetings. If I'm the Browns FO I insist to JF that if he wants a future in this organization, then he will be required to attend alcohol education classes. You can do this without calling someone an alcoholic since true ones go right to denial anyway. But you can insist he learn that if alcohol has caused you problems such as oversleeping, failure to set alarms, missing work or rehab. etc., then you have a problem with alcohol. It is much harder to deny it has caused you problems than it is to deny alcoholism. It's a tactic I took often with people in a 30 year counseling career. Best thing is you use no labels such as "addict", "alcoholic" etc. and stick to the facts of what problems it has caused in a person's life.
It's getting to the point Manziel is going to have to decide if he wants to be a football player, or a TMZ celebrity. Because if he keeps up the partying he's going to be a down in the dumpster Brittany Spears type of celebrity.
Who knows. The Johnny train may not have derailed, but it is wobbling for sure.
Guess we will find out by the end of August at the earliest, end of Oct. at the latest.
I disagree 'Peen. We will know by April 30th (NFL draft) how much Manziel is committed to being a starting NFL qb. Farmer put him on notice. "Talk is cheap". You going to the voluntary workouts, getting with a qb guru (btw, your last one didn't help you much)- or keep showing up in Nightclubs (courtesy of TMZ tracking you) every other day? If it's the latter, why should the Browns commit to you- if you're not 100% committed to getting better- and the Bengals game showed there's plenty of room for improvement.
really.
i mean if i were the embarrassment of a franchise (if not the league) and i was serious about turning myself around and becoming a legit nfl QB i think i'd be in the first QB camp there was, i'd be with my QB guru the day after i cleaned out my locker and i'd be doing a 'rocky' for the 6 months leading up to training camp.
but no. let's go out to a club where everyone will recognize me and my face will be splattered all over the internet even though i know i'm skating on thin ice with the team that drafted me.
i'm betting this is going to be the ongoing theme throughout the offseason as manziel thinks he has the tools already and doesn't have to work for it OR he just doesn't give a shit. or both.
or maybe his end game is he wants out of Cleveland.
If it's arrogance, or not caring- the Browns have to have a plan "B" if that's the case, by bringing in an experience vet, or drafting yet another qb- yup, even in the first round if they have to. As I said above, they'll know all they need to know about Johnny's commitment (or lack of) well before the draft.
I've seen that suggested elsewhere Mik about Manziel wanting out- but MHO it would be pretty irrational behavior, deliberately sabotaging his "brand". I have to think Le Bron would have seen enough of his antics to tell him to get his act together.
I have to think Le Bron would have seen enough of his antics to tell him to get his act together.
Yeah... where is James in all of this?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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i'd have a sore muscle too if i had all his money.
my third leg sore muscle.
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lol...
and JM's dream is "doing two chicks at once."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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lol...
and JM's dream is "doing two chicks at once."
I think if I had a million dollars I could hook that shit up...
I would think any starting QB in college could hook that shit up. Division 2 even.
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And why didn't he close these deals?:
OK, I can maybe see why he didn't close the last one.
Zombo
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(in case people aren't getting the reference)
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Lawrence was the best. "Turn it to channel 9!"
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Just because of this thread, I might just start watching office space right now. Starting with Michael Bolton locking the doors and turning the volume down on his rap when a black man walks past.
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He has already stated he will be working out with George Whitfield again in the off season.
He has? Where?
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Hey Peter man, watch your cornhole bud.
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I didn't know the best place to put this, but fun tidbit about the top QB's in the NFL:
"The top 20-rated quarterbacks in the NFL this year played an average of 3.7 seasons of college football and spent an average of 4.2 years on campus (including redshirt seasons). They averaged 36.4 college starts"
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"I never liked Manziel as a prospect."
That tainted the article which is another in a long line of self serving I told you so's.
One thing I think he failed to get a real handle on is JF's missing meetings. If I'm the Browns FO I insist to JF that if he wants a future in this organization, then he will be required to attend alcohol education classes. You can do this without calling someone an alcoholic since true ones go right to denial anyway. But you can insist he learn that if alcohol has caused you problems such as oversleeping, failure to set alarms, missing work or rehab. etc., then you have a problem with alcohol. It is much harder to deny it has caused you problems than it is to deny alcoholism. It's a tactic I took often with people in a 30 year counseling career. Best thing is you use no labels such as "addict", "alcoholic" etc. and stick to the facts of what problems it has caused in a person's life.
"I never liked Manziel as a prospect."
That tainted the article which is another in a long line of self serving I told you so's.
One thing I think he failed to get a real handle on is JF's missing meetings. If I'm the Browns FO I insist to JF that if he wants a future in this organization, then he will be required to attend alcohol education classes. You can do this without calling someone an alcoholic since true ones go right to denial anyway. But you can insist he learn that if alcohol has caused you problems such as oversleeping, failure to set alarms, missing work or rehab. etc., then you have a problem with alcohol. It is much harder to deny it has caused you problems than it is to deny alcoholism. It's a tactic I took often with people in a 30 year counseling career. Best thing is you use no labels such as "addict", "alcoholic" etc. and stick to the facts of what problems it has caused in a person's life.
Alcohol might be a symptom, and could exacerbate the situation but it isn't the cause. JF is mentally weak, with little impulse control. That's not the makeup of an NFL quarterback.
Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand -
I didn't know the best place to put this, but fun tidbit about the top QB's in the NFL:
"The top 20-rated quarterbacks in the NFL this year played an average of 3.7 seasons of college football and spent an average of 4.2 years on campus (including redshirt seasons). They averaged 36.4 college starts"
I didn't know the best place to put this, but fun tidbit about the top QB's in the NFL:
"The top 20-rated quarterbacks in the NFL this year played an average of 3.7 seasons of college football and spent an average of 4.2 years on campus (including redshirt seasons). They averaged 36.4 college starts"
And an interesting tidbit it be, but that's all it is.
Always makes me wonder when an odd split is made as in this case. Why 20? 16 is half. Top ten is a cliché. Twenty makes me think "drew the line after seeing the data".
Would be even more interesting if data was compiled for all starters and for each quartile.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
"I never liked Manziel as a prospect."
That tainted the article which is another in a long line of self serving I told you so's.
One thing I think he failed to get a real handle on is JF's missing meetings. If I'm the Browns FO I insist to JF that if he wants a future in this organization, then he will be required to attend alcohol education classes. You can do this without calling someone an alcoholic since true ones go right to denial anyway. But you can insist he learn that if alcohol has caused you problems such as oversleeping, failure to set alarms, missing work or rehab. etc., then you have a problem with alcohol. It is much harder to deny it has caused you problems than it is to deny alcoholism. It's a tactic I took often with people in a 30 year counseling career. Best thing is you use no labels such as "addict", "alcoholic" etc. and stick to the facts of what problems it has caused in a person's life.
Alcohol might be a symptom, and could exacerbate the situation but it isn't the cause. JF is mentally weak, with little impulse control. That's not the makeup of an NFL quarterback.
Alcohol might be a symptom, and could exacerbate the situation but it isn't the cause. JF is mentally weak, with little impulse control. That's not the makeup of an NFL quarterback.
I find it hard to believe that a QB who won the Heisman Trophy is 'mentally weak'. I think he is just used to being a star and didn't put out the effort. Lazy.
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You know, I'm really starting to think he really is trying to get out of Cleveland, by whatever means necessary.
Because nobody is this stupid, right?
Right?!?
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