WINSLOW TRADED!!

PlayoffsIN09

@timugen said:
To me, that's what it all comes down to and is exactly why I'm perfectly fine with this trade.

Me too!

listercat

@rich4eagle said:
The useless overhyped dumb wasted slug is finally gone...........glad this time Tampa went brain dead instead of us as usual

I agree with you here Rich; dude is one injury away from retirement...another Browns draft failure

Thaak

@listercat said:
I agree with you here Rich; dude is one injury away from retirement...another Browns draft failure

All players are one injury away from retirement.

And Winslow is not a draft failure. He's put up top 5 TE numbers for 3 years now.

PlayoffsIN09

when do we know what we got for him?

? AdaM

@playoffsin09 said:
when do we know what we got for him?

Probably tonight or tomorrow.

They will likely reveal that the pick is indeed this years 2nd rounder, and next years is a conditional pick that has the potential to be a 2nd or 3rd if winslow produces.

listercat

@thaak said:
All players are one injury away from retirement.
And Winslow is not a draft failure. He's put up top 5 TE numbers for 3 years now.

True; that was not my best take...or my intent. My point is that he has been very injury prone; it is obvious that we are in rebuild mode and I am fine with someone who claimed to be a soldier (I actually WAS one; 'visitor' in Iraq) with a complete attitude problem is gone

listercat

AdaM said:
Probably tonight or tomorrow.
They will likely reveal that the pick is indeed this years 2nd rounder, and next years is a conditional pick that has the potential to be a 2nd or 3rd if winslow produces.

According to Sirius NFL; WTAM we receive a second this year and a fifth next

Geech

Zombo said:
Bucs 2nd rounder is pick #50
Good spot for a lineman

Zombo

The Brinkley scenario is intriguing, but Jennings or Greene to go along with a Center (Eric Wood) wouldn't be bad, neither.

OG Duke Robinson wouldn't be bad, but he'll likely be gone by #50. Besides, I think our weakest link on the OL is at Center. We can get by with Tucker and Shaffer on the right side for another year or two. Fraley starting in 2009 is hard to justify.

-Al

Canton Mike

I am quite pleased with this....ESPECIALLY if we did get a 2nd this year & another pick in '09 or '10.

Kellen has (had) great talent, BUT he.....

Is NOT a good TEAM player

Does NOT "choose" to block

IS injury prone & looking at a short productive career....AND

I feel he would be gone soon as he becomes a FA, so....

Why NOT get something for him while value is still there for him. There is a LOT that will be available in the 2nd round this year & I have been worried that Winslow would end up being a very costly mistake for the Browns in the long run.

The new guys are NOT sitting on their hands & that is a good thing....IMHO, they are off to a fine start.

Mike

Solon16

Get rid of Braylon while you can....or sign him to long term....either or is necessary. In my opinion no way in hell can we sign BE to a long term...he wants OUT of Ohio....trade him to the Giants now , while we can!

Flugel

@thaak said:
32 players who were drafted ahead of Tom Brady?

LOL! That's a classic Thaak! Thank you!

- Tom F.

rich4eagle

At this moment I am with your thinking Solon and I would sing Houdmazahdeh if possible for a fair price

Flugel

Masters said:
Coudln't do it against bad teams w/o Winslon either this past season. I just don't draw a lot from Winslow being out in that game a reason for good play.

Obviously that wasn't the ONLY reason Masters BUT our offense was so far less predictable. I think we're on the same page with that statement. When Winslow is out there, he's not very good if we have to run off tackle or run wide. That has never been his game and after all the injuries - it's even less his game. As he admits, he patterned his style of play after Jeremy Shockey. I heard that in one of his interviews and found the parallels undeniable.

And in the absence of Shockey in NY - they had TWO 1000 yard rushers in 2008 after they went unbeaten in the previous post season (without Shockey again).

Brian B of Balt always says Shannon Sharpe's blocking was underrated as he said on ESPN Radio don't forget he was there the season Lewis rushed for 2000 yards.

As I said, I appreciated Winslow when he was here BUT the wear and tear made this move brilliant because he's a fraction of the player he WOULD have been barring surgery #1, #2, #3 and #4. Always had GREAT hands and ran good routes. The frequency of yellow flags thrown at him for pushoffs was increasing this last season. This is a perfect time to deal him.

- Tom F.

rich4eagle

The most impportant thing about this thread is it is pinned ...........like dumping a drain on the franchise requires thus

Good riddance Kellen as useless as you ever were'

and thank goodness maybe the browns are going beyond comatose'

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WHAt a greAT MOve duMPINig thaT SLUG

OconRecon

I just lurked through a thread on the Bucs board and their reaction seems mixed. Some bummed they lost draft picks and others excited.

Most seem to think it was a fair deal for both teams.

We'll see...

? Masters

@rich4eagle said:
and if Mangini is worth a shit...........Rogers needs to go as well..........overhyped average performer in a team that cannot play the scheme

Did you watch a single Browns game last season? Rogers filled the NT roll to perfection. He can play the scheme. Now the "big baby" routine he is pulling now is a whole different story.

? Masters

@flugel said:
Obviously that wasn't the ONLY reason Masters BUT our offense was so far less predictable. I think we're on the same page with that statement. When Winslow is out there, he's not very good if we have to run off tackle or run wide. That has never been his game and after all the injuries - it's even less his game. As he admits, he patterned his style of play after Jeremy Shockey. I heard that in one of his interviews and found the parallels undeniable.
And in the absence of Shockey in NY - they had TWO 1000 yard rushers in 2008 after they went unbeaten in the previous post season (without Shockey again).

Brian B of Balt always says Shannon Sharpe's blocking was underrated as he said on ESPN Radio don't forget he was there the season Lewis rushed for 2000 yards.

As I said, I appreciated Winslow when he was here BUT the wear and tear made this move brilliant because he's a fraction of the player he WOULD have been barring surgery #1, #2, #3 and #4. Always had GREAT hands and ran good routes. The frequency of yellow flags thrown at him for pushoffs was increasing this last season. This is a perfect time to deal him.

- Tom F.

I agree it was far less predictable w/o Winslow. Though when they gave Harrison touches instead of Lewis w/ Winslow in, running was fine. But if CLE wants to pound the rock, it doesn't work w/ Winslow in.

Shockey was a whole different animal. He was a problem in the locker room.

kbndawg

I see this as a lateral move. Winslow wasn't a needed piece or a missing piece for the Browns to be successful. Maybe they do something with the draft picks that will help or maybe they just get rid of a guy that is high risk due to his injuries and is not a club house guy. I'm just not that worked up over this deal.

plumcrazy73

Hate to see him go loved his play, (would have loved to see how good he would have been had he not been injured) loved is desire. But we were smart to get something for him. Glad we got the 2nd this year. Think at least a 4th next would have been better.

Better to get something for him while we can rather then have him try and get his big payday from us before he finally can't take it anymore.

I WISH WINSLOW THE BEST OF LUCK AND LIFE!

hoorta

@beefjerky said:
for you guys whining about his "shelf life" you act like winslow is kurt warner's age, the guy is 25 and has many great years to come, I am very upset that they traded him.

Warner didn't destroy his knee in a motorcycle accident- it could be worse than you think. He also doesn't have to outrun linebackers or cornerbacks on every play. Doesn't have to block them either.