fail for cardale
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George C said:
Easy brah....
If those guys aren't entirely on the same page, you get a dumpster fire...yeah, just like the one we had here in Buffalo a couple of weeks ago.
Ours is out, let's hope it was never started in Berea.
Why would people think it is a big deal that the Browns took like two extra days to hire an OC.
It was NOT a case of all the OCs that they supposedly wanted were gone....snatched up by other teams. It was a case of them not wanting those guys.
If they were hot for Trestman, they would have hired Trestman. If they were hot for Gailey they would have hired Gailey. If they were hot for Cavanaugh they would have hired Cavanaugh. They were, apparently, hot for D-Flip......and they got him, and that is all that matters. I mean, really, there was only one other person they may have been hot for:
Why would people think it is a big deal that the Browns took like two extra days to hire an OC.
It was NOT a case of all the OCs that they supposedly wanted were gone....snatched up by other teams. It was a case of them not wanting those guys.
If they were hot for Trestman, they would have hired Trestman. If they were hot for Gailey they would have hired Gailey. If they were hot for Cavanaugh they would have hired Cavanaugh. They were, apparently, hot for D-Flip......and they got him, and that is all that matters. I mean, really, there was only one other person they may have been hot for:
Since it's the silly season, Eddie has some young competition- not bad for being 15 years old.
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here's a link to a good write up - assessment of him.....
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/can_nick_foles_be_the_eagles_quarterback_of_the_fu.html
here's a link to a good write up - assessment of him.....
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/can_nick_foles_be_the_eagles_quarterback_of_the_fu.html
Makes it sound like he's a bigger, and slightly less mobile edition of Brian Hoyer.
That's Hoyers glaring weakness- deep ball accuracy.
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here's a link to a good write up - assessment of him.....
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/can_nick_foles_be_the_eagles_quarterback_of_the_fu.html
Makes it sound like he's a bigger, and slightly less mobile edition of Brian Hoyer.
That's Hoyers glaring weakness- deep ball accuracy.
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I'd spend this year's draft on line and d and take cardale next year. Dude is huge, he can throw he can run he can tackle. I'd take him over any of those guys at this point
I'd spend this year's draft on line and d and take cardale next year. Dude is huge, he can throw he can run he can tackle. I'd take him over any of those guys at this point
That's gonna be important when he no longer has the best running back in the country by his side or the fastest receiver on the field. Might as well be able to stop pick-sixes from happening.
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George C said:
Who has the advantage? The defense? I would reconsider that laughable thought.
I think you know how that list of first round overall, can't miss QBS always have a habit of breaking your heart, right?
You are using fucking high school as a tape example? Seriously?
Dude... I can't even respond to that..
Let's be real here, nobody gets to the big time college level without dominating the little boys around him that hardly have a hair on their balls. Stop thinking past, and think about what an NFL coach and professional defensive mind can wreck his strengths. I'm not saying he will fail, but never consider college success translates over to the NFL.
I hope the kid succeeds at the highest level. He totally blew my mind in the championship game, but never forget the lure of Vince Young.
We will know more about him next year.
I would say the team that has played all season long together has the advantage over a third-string quarterback, yes. Your bias doesn't allow you to consider otherwise, which is fine...but don't try to pass it off as irrefutable fact.
Your claim was there was no tape on Cardale. I said you'd be stupid to think that Oregon coaches weren't watching any tape available, which happens to be high school tape. You don't film study individual players to see how they run plays, you film study individual players to find tells and habits. Unless a coach individually targets those tells and those habits, they'll be there regardless of the level of play. Player study and game study are two different animals, I hope you know that.
The problem with your assumption is that you think I automatically assume he'll find success because he won in college. That's not the case. I think he'll find success because, outside of Jameis Winston, Cardale Jones has the most pro-compatible skill set in the NCAA. The glaring flaws in his game lie in his inexperience. He's not a gimmick quarterback who relies on an up-tempo system and a clear talent and speed differential between his team and his opponents. He wasn't overwhelmed with the speed or the stage. Going back to the National Championship, Cardale could have had a nearly flawless performance if not for a handful of clear rookie mistakes.
The problem with your line of reasoning is the same problem with nearly everyone's reasoning. Vince Young has just as much to do with Cardale Jones as Steve Young. Comparing players is well and good in conversation, but you don't scout the comparison, you scout the player.
George C said:
I would say the team that has played all season long together has the advantage over a third-string quarterback, yes. Your bias doesn't allow you to consider otherwise, which is fine...but don't try to pass it off as irrefutable fact.
Your claim was there was no tape on Cardale. I said you'd be stupid to think that Oregon coaches weren't watching any tape available, which happens to be high school tape. You don't film study individual players to see how they run plays, you film study individual players to find tells and habits. Unless a coach individually targets those tells and those habits, they'll be there regardless of the level of play. Player study and game study are two different animals, I hope you know that.
The problem with your assumption is that you think I automatically assume he'll find success because he won in college. That's not the case. I think he'll find success because, outside of Jameis Winston, Cardale Jones has the most pro-compatible skill set in the NCAA. The glaring flaws in his game lie in his inexperience. He's not a gimmick quarterback who relies on an up-tempo system and a clear talent and speed differential between his team and his opponents. He wasn't overwhelmed with the speed or the stage. Going back to the National Championship, Cardale could have had a nearly flawless performance if not for a handful of clear rookie mistakes.
The problem with your line of reasoning is the same problem with nearly everyone's reasoning. Vince Young has just as much to do with Cardale Jones as Steve Young. Comparing players is well and good in conversation, but you don't scout the comparison, you scout the player.
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Your opinion was written well, and you may be right.
There is a lot to agree with your post. he definitely shined with almost every component of the game, and he seems NFL ready.
I'm just a little timid when it comes to anointing QBs who light up the big college game like VY.. He was drafted 2? and crashed. Who saw that coming.. That is my only comparative reason to bring up VY.
The one single thing that Cardale possesses is something that you can't teach, accuracy.
I hope it translates over to the NFL.
I wouldn't say he's NFL ready by any means, but I do think he's got the potential to be.
From a football standpoint, it would have been more beneficial for him to declare now and work with an NFL coaching staff for 2 years. However, I can certainly understand his desire to graduate, if indeed that is actually the case.
If this decision was money driven, he made a monumental mistake. Taking 3rd round money for two years and learning could have possibly set him up for a large, franchise QB-level contract by the time he turned 24.
Aside: can anyone find out Cardale's actual DOB? It's not listed anywhere that I can find.
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I'd spend this year's draft on line and d and take cardale next year. Dude is huge, he can throw he can run he can tackle. I'd take him over any of those guys at this point
That's gonna be important when he no longer has the best running back in the country by his side or the fastest receiver on the field. Might as well be able to stop pick-sixes from happening.
That's gonna be important when he no longer has the best running back in the country by his side or the fastest receiver on the field. Might as well be able to stop pick-sixes from happening.
Have you seen the video of him hitting some dude? Kid is a monster.
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I'd feel a lot better about this tactic if the OP wasn't one of JFF's biggest supporters until he played 6 quarters of football...
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Have you seen the video of him hitting some dude? Kid is a monster.
My point exactly. With all the picks he will throw, he might as well hit hard enough to make defensive players fumble so the team can get the ball back!
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Like the colts did?
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I'd feel a lot better about this tactic if the OP wasn't one of JFF's biggest supporters until he played 6 quarters of football...
I'd feel a lot better about this tactic if the OP wasn't one of JFF's biggest supporters until he played 6 quarters of football...
Jeez how dare I want the browns to explore every available Avenue to play well?
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Have you seen the video of him hitting some dude? Kid is a monster.
My point exactly. With all the picks he will throw, he might as well hit hard enough to make defensive players fumble so the team can get the ball back!
My point exactly. With all the picks he will throw, he might as well hit hard enough to make defensive players fumble so the team can get the ball back!
Yeah, all 2% of his passes.
Nice try, fucktard.
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I'd feel a lot better about this tactic if the OP wasn't one of JFF's biggest supporters until he played 6 quarters of football...
Jeez how dare I want the browns to explore every available Avenue to play well?
Jeez how dare I want the browns to explore every available Avenue to play well?
Lol, just bustin your chops for the epic 180, no biggie.
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Yeah, all 2% of his passes.
Nice try, fucktard.
Since you want to bring up stats, Geno Smith threw picks in 1.4% of his pass attempts during his three seasons as a starter in college. He threw 31 picks in 30 games in his first two NFL seasons.
Jones threw picks on 2.7% of his attempts in a much smaller sample. He won't have the best running back in the country rushing for 230 yards and 3 TDs a game once he turns pro. It's fair to assume his interception total will increase once he is forced to throw the ball more against better defensive players and coaches.
Of course we don't have to be objective about this. It seems like you prefer resorting to name calling like a twelve year old surfing the internet for the first time...
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Yeah, all 2% of his passes.
Nice try, fucktard.
Since you want to bring up stats, Geno Smith threw picks in 1.4% of his pass attempts during his three seasons as a starter in college. He threw 31 picks in 30 games in his first two NFL seasons.
Jones threw picks on 2.7% of his attempts in a much smaller sample. He won't have the best running back in the country rushing for 230 yards and 3 TDs a game once he turns pro. It's fair to assume his interception total will increase once he is forced to throw the ball more against better defensive players and coaches.
Of course we don't have to be objective about this. It seems like you prefer resorting to name calling like a twelve year old surfing the internet for the first time...
Since you want to bring up stats, Geno Smith threw picks in 1.4% of his pass attempts during his three seasons as a starter in college. He threw 31 picks in 30 games in his first two NFL seasons.
Jones threw picks on 2.7% of his attempts in a much smaller sample. He won't have the best running back in the country rushing for 230 yards and 3 TDs a game once he turns pro. It's fair to assume his interception total will increase once he is forced to throw the ball more against better defensive players and coaches.
Of course we don't have to be objective about this. It seems like you prefer resorting to name calling like a twelve year old surfing the internet for the first time...
The difference being that the WVU offense was a much more horizontal passing game with built in screens, quick outs and slants.
Compare to the OSU passing game that's a more downfield, vertical threat. Higher risk of picks when you travel further down the field.
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Since you want to bring up stats, Geno Smith threw picks in 1.4% of his pass attempts during his three seasons as a starter in college. He threw 31 picks in 30 games in his first two NFL seasons.
Jones threw picks on 2.7% of his attempts in a much smaller sample. He won't have the best running back in the country rushing for 230 yards and 3 TDs a game once he turns pro. It's fair to assume his interception total will increase once he is forced to throw the ball more against better defensive players and coaches.
Of course we don't have to be objective about this. It seems like you prefer resorting to name calling like a twelve year old surfing the internet for the first time...
The difference being that the WVU offense was a much more horizontal passing game with built in screens, quick outs and slants.
Compare to the OSU passing game that's a more downfield, vertical threat. Higher risk of picks when you travel further down the field.
The difference being that the WVU offense was a much more horizontal passing game with built in screens, quick outs and slants.
Compare to the OSU passing game that's a more downfield, vertical threat. Higher risk of picks when you travel further down the field.
That's true, but there's other things to take into account as well, like teams playing with extra men in the box to stop Ezekiel Elliot and giving Jones more one to one match-ups down the field. Jones threw twice as many picks on a per attempt basis, that seems to account for the more vertical passing game.
If you extend his picks/attempt % to 500 attempts, which is about the NFL average over 16 games, that's 13 picks. Add the fact that he's transitioning to the pros and facing better defenses, it doesn't seem all that unreasonable to expect him to throw 13-16 picks over an entire season.
I get that people would love to have a Cleveland guy playing QB for the Browns, I just don't see all the hype. There's a reason he was the third string quarterback heading into the season. JT Barrett will be the starting quarterback at OSU come August and people will be forgetting about the guy until he declares for the draft or transfers elsewhere.
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