WINSLOW TRADED!!
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@shepwrite said:
Yeah, at OBR they're getting some hints that Edwards might get moved if they can get a reasonable offer and someone who can make a reasonable extension deal with him. I can't imagine we'd get more than another second round pick. But if we did the same with Anderson, we'd have four second round picks and we could do some serious moving around with that.I'm not one for trying to build a team solely with 23 year olds, but you could turn a 1 and four 2s into about 7 picks in the first three rounds... and then trade away the rest of your draft. That's a serious influx of youth at the top of the draft. Then, with all the money saved by unloading Edwards, Winslow, Anderson, and Lewis, you'd have about 35 million for free agents.
You could really pinpoint the right personnel for your scheme, that's for sure. You'd be turning over five positions on offense and probably four on defense.
Although I agree with your overall synapses...I just think making such a big turnover so sudden is risky business...I mean these arent just roll players and bench players were moving...These were guys who were supposed to be the core of the franchise And I dont think anyone can stomach another 4-12 season...Mangini hasnt made alot of friends lately and wether you like him or not...that has to be disconcerting to the fanbase starved for a winner...Im not altogether sold on Mangini...But Am open minded enough to give him enough rope to hang himself If he so does.,...I just wonder what were gonna replace these vets with......I just cant help but envision Hal and "The Gibber" Laughing at all of us...Its a pretty sick feeling and I really dont like it.
Although I agree with your overall synapses...I just think making such a big turnover so sudden is risky business...I mean these arent just roll players and bench players were moving...These were guys who were supposed to be the core of the franchise And I dont think anyone can stomach another 4-12 season...Mangini hasnt made alot of friends lately and wether you like him or not...that has to be disconcerting to the fanbase starved for a winner...Im not altogether sold on Mangini...But Am open minded enough to give him enough rope to hang himself If he so does.,...I just wonder what were gonna replace these vets with......I just cant help but envision Hal and "The Gibber" Laughing at all of us...Its a pretty sick feeling and I really dont like it.
Yeah, the core that delivered 3 losing seasons out of 4 under RAC and Savage. Maybe Mangini and Kokinis figure the core is rotten and its time to infuse the team with a new core. Can't say that I blame them.
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Although I agree with your overall synapses...I just think making such a big turnover so sudden is risky business...I mean these arent just roll players and bench players were moving...These were guys who were supposed to be the core of the franchise And I dont think anyone can stomach another 4-12 season...Mangini hasnt made alot of friends lately and wether you like him or not...that has to be disconcerting to the fanbase starved for a winner...Im not altogether sold on Mangini...But Am open minded enough to give him enough rope to hang himself If he so does.,...I just wonder what were gonna replace these vets with......I just cant help but envision Hal and "The Gibber" Laughing at all of us...Its a pretty sick feeling and I really dont like it.
Yeah, the core that delivered 3 losing seasons out of 4 under RAC and Savage. Maybe Mangini and Kokinis figure the core is rotten and its time to infuse the team with a new core. Can't say that I blame them.
Yeah, the core that delivered 3 losing seasons out of 4 under RAC and Savage. Maybe Mangini and Kokinis figure the core is rotten and its time to infuse the team with a new core. Can't say that I blame them.
I also agree about Rogers...if the reports of his unhappiness are true, you can bet he'll "tank it" if he's here this season. Trade him while his value is high & draft Raji. We needed a staff of action & by golly, it looks like we GOT it. Exciting off season shaping up.
Mike
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Just a FYI...I have been forwarded some information that says Rogers has NOT asked for a trade or release.
Supposedly confirmed by both camps.
Well see how that plays out.
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I have a feeling Kevvy Shafe is going to released in another cost cutting move. The Browns are definitely looking at drafting either a center or RG/RT along with another FA.
Anybody making big money is in jeopardy, with the exception of Steinbach and Thomas.
I highly doubt Lewis is back, especially if we can get Ward and draft a Green type.
I have a feeling Kevvy Shafe is going to released in another cost cutting move. The Browns are definitely looking at drafting either a center or RG/RT along with another FA.
Anybody making big money is in jeopardy, with the exception of Steinbach and Thomas.
I highly doubt Lewis is back, especially if we can get Ward and draft a Green type.
Your comment about anyone making big money being in jeopardy is a definate.
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Just a FYI...I have been forwarded some information that says Rogers has NOT asked for a trade or release.
Supposedly confirmed by both camps.
Well see how that plays out.
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Well he will be the next former Browns player to get to the Super Bowl. I would like to know the ratio of caught to thrown passes he had. I would be willing to bet its way more than Edwards "Stone Hands". AKA Brown Nose. They both had 3 TD's each. Whatever... Same story, new owners, staff, players, etc... Its all BS!!! Bottom line they kicked him to the curb or he pissed them off to get traded. Plus they need to lower there what they spend on players to cover the money they blew on ROMEO. So we will get another so/so player in the draft... weeeee... Maybe OBAMA will give the Browns a bail out!!!???
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Well he will be the next former Browns player to get to the Super Bowl. I would like to know the ratio of caught to thrown passes he had. I would be willing to bet its way more than Edwards "Stone Hands". AKA Brown Nose. They both had 3 TD's each. Whatever... Same story, new owners, staff, players, etc... Its all BS!!! Bottom line they kicked him to the curb or he pissed them off to get traded. Plus they need to lower there what they spend on players to cover the money they blew on ROMEO. So we will get another so/so player in the draft... weeeee... Maybe OBAMA will give the Browns a bail out!!!???
Well he will be the next former Browns player to get to the Super Bowl. I would like to know the ratio of caught to thrown passes he had. I would be willing to bet its way more than Edwards "Stone Hands". AKA Brown Nose. They both had 3 TD's each. Whatever... Same story, new owners, staff, players, etc... Its all BS!!! Bottom line they kicked him to the curb or he pissed them off to get traded. Plus they need to lower there what they spend on players to cover the money they blew on ROMEO. So we will get another so/so player in the draft... weeeee... Maybe OBAMA will give the Browns a bail out!!!???
Whatever RAC was paid makes no difference. That's strictly out of Lerner's pocket and counts nothing against the Browns.
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Just a FYI...I have been forwarded some information that says Rogers has NOT asked for a trade or release.
Supposedly confirmed by both camps.
Well see how that plays out.
Just a FYI...I have been forwarded some information that says Rogers has NOT asked for a trade or release.
Supposedly confirmed by both camps.
Well see how that plays out.
I hope that's true and he's not just saying that now.
I want him to stick around, but if he is just going to play at a low level when the season starts because he's unhappy, then I'd rather we trade him.
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Well he will be the next former Browns player to get to the Super Bowl. I would like to know the ratio of caught to thrown passes he had. I would be willing to bet its way more than Edwards "Stone Hands". AKA Brown Nose. They both had 3 TD's each. Whatever... Same story, new owners, staff, players, etc... Its all BS!!! Bottom line they kicked him to the curb or he pissed them off to get traded. Plus they need to lower there what they spend on players to cover the money they blew on ROMEO. So we will get another so/so player in the draft... weeeee... Maybe OBAMA will give the Browns a bail out!!!???
Well he will be the next former Browns player to get to the Super Bowl. I would like to know the ratio of caught to thrown passes he had. I would be willing to bet its way more than Edwards "Stone Hands". AKA Brown Nose. They both had 3 TD's each. Whatever... Same story, new owners, staff, players, etc... Its all BS!!! Bottom line they kicked him to the curb or he pissed them off to get traded. Plus they need to lower there what they spend on players to cover the money they blew on ROMEO. So we will get another so/so player in the draft... weeeee... Maybe OBAMA will give the Browns a bail out!!!???
relax man it's only one move. i was never sold on mangini and kokinis until i saw this trade. i like what they are doing. they weren't going to the superbowl this next year with winslow. they know what they want their team to look like and winslow didn't fit the mold. i love that they are rebuilding through the draft. i just hope that it doesn't end up like the butch davis years when he rebuilt the team. i am really excited to see what else we can get for edwards/da
once a fan, always a fan. married to a steeler fan. aaaaaaaaah! --andy -
Well he will be the next former Browns player to get to the Super Bowl. I would like to know the ratio of caught to thrown passes he had. I would be willing to bet its way more than Edwards "Stone Hands". AKA Brown Nose. They both had 3 TD's each. Whatever... Same story, new owners, staff, players, etc... Its all BS!!! Bottom line they kicked him to the curb or he pissed them off to get traded. Plus they need to lower there what they spend on players to cover the money they blew on ROMEO. So we will get another so/so player in the draft... weeeee... Maybe OBAMA will give the Browns a bail out!!!???
Well he will be the next former Browns player to get to the Super Bowl. I would like to know the ratio of caught to thrown passes he had. I would be willing to bet its way more than Edwards "Stone Hands". AKA Brown Nose. They both had 3 TD's each. Whatever... Same story, new owners, staff, players, etc... Its all BS!!! Bottom line they kicked him to the curb or he pissed them off to get traded. Plus they need to lower there what they spend on players to cover the money they blew on ROMEO. So we will get another so/so player in the draft... weeeee... Maybe OBAMA will give the Browns a bail out!!!???
Wah.
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An intriguing side note to this trade is the possibility that we could package our two second rounders, get into the first round somewhere in the 16-20 range, and grab Maualuga or Wells.
Could you imagine coming away from day one with Orakpo/Curry/Raji AND Maualuga/Wells?
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my bad, i meant 29.5 yrs.
care to wager on JLew for '09? i put the over/under at 1,200.
obviously i'll take the over. loser.....? no $$. i'm a good sport.
if he's traded this bet is null.
A little history for ya- ask Flugels- I've never lost an Internet bet.
You mean $1,200? LOL. You're on- I'll take the under, and unless he seriously restructures he's as good as gone. The Lewis of '08 reminded me exactly of Jerome Bettis at the end of his career. Strictly a short yardage situational back. As compared to the current crop of elite RBs in the NFL, he's totally lost his burst.
A little history for ya- ask Flugels- I've never lost an Internet bet.
You mean $1,200? LOL.
You're on- I'll take the under, and unless he seriously restructures he's as good as gone. The Lewis of '08 reminded me exactly of Jerome Bettis at the end of his career. Strictly a short yardage situational back. As compared to the current crop of elite RBs in the NFL, he's totally lost his burst.
awesome!
i'm confident he's still got it in him and if given the opportunity to stay he'll show it again. he may not be elite but he's built to grind out a ton of yards in the AFCN, and still capable IMO. only thing: not to change the game but what to do if he gets hurt? i guarantee he'll succeed in gaining 1,200+yards in 2009 if he's playing but if he sits we need a stipulation. i'll absorb a fair amount of this on my end of the bet but he's not gonna get the 1200 if he only rushes in 10 games....whatever. we'll work it out. we have plenty of time.let's make the terms something fun, i'd love to come up to a tailgate to either collect or pay in person. i may be in denver this upcoming year but we'll figure it out. maybe something the board can somehow benefit from?
i would like to share that i was a notorious orange vodka drinker back in the day. i thought it was so great i once threw a party for about 25 of my friends just to get everyone wasted on it, nothing else just straight orange anti-freeze. it was a grand 'ol time.......
we should get along just fine.
I've never lost an Internet bet.
and i've never welched.
that's a good recipe for humor. it may take a season for this to unfold so don't give up on me. virgins are so rare nowadays. -
An intriguing side note to this trade is the possibility that we could package our two second rounders, get into the first round somewhere in the 16-20 range, and grab Maualuga or Wells.
Could you imagine coming away from day one with Orakpo/Curry/Raji AND Maualuga/Wells?
An intriguing side note to this trade is the possibility that we could package our two second rounders, get into the first round somewhere in the 16-20 range, and grab Maualuga or Wells.
Could you imagine coming away from day one with Orakpo/Curry/Raji AND Maualuga/Wells?
I'd rather have Orakpo, Jennings/Greene, and Wood. Remember, the 2nd round is a great place to find starting Safeties, Centers, and ILBs. Even RBs.
-Al
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Although I agree with your overall synapses...I just think making such a big turnover so sudden is risky business...I mean these arent just roll players and bench players were moving...These were guys who were supposed to be the core of the franchise And I dont think anyone can stomach another 4-12 season...Mangini hasnt made alot of friends lately and wether you like him or not...that has to be disconcerting to the fanbase starved for a winner...Im not altogether sold on Mangini...But Am open minded enough to give him enough rope to hang himself If he so does.,...I just wonder what were gonna replace these vets with......I just cant help but envision Hal and "The Gibber" Laughing at all of us...Its a pretty sick feeling and I really dont like it.
Yeah, the core that delivered 3 losing seasons out of 4 under RAC and Savage. Maybe Mangini and Kokinis figure the core is rotten and its time to infuse the team with a new core. Can't say that I blame them.
Yeah, the core that delivered 3 losing seasons out of 4 under RAC and Savage. Maybe Mangini and Kokinis figure the core is rotten and its time to infuse the team with a new core. Can't say that I blame them.
I thing about new regimes is that they get a pass the first year so they aren't afraid to rebuild a roster. Remember Mangini and Kokinis both said they meassure character right up there with ability. I believe the underachieving part of the core will get cut out.
Winslow's trade was good for the organization, even if you liked his heart. His body wasn't going to hold up. Even trading guys like Edwards won't hurt because he will be a FA and gone after next season. This ne staff and FO is looking for youth as a core and overachieving FAs to rebuild this team. Edwards isn't in our long term plans so cut the cord.
Find guys who want to play here and are leave it on the field type of guys. This is a great draft class through 120 os there is a lot of talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. By trading Winslow we brought guys like Jennings, Mack, Bunkley and Chung into play. Trade Anderson and Edwards and you bring quite a few others who are highly regarded in play.
There might also be a lot less crying in the locker room and more concentration on football.
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Well he will be the next former Browns player to get to the Super Bowl. I would like to know the ratio of caught to thrown passes he had. I would be willing to bet its way more than Edwards "Stone Hands". AKA Brown Nose. They both had 3 TD's each. Whatever... Same story, new owners, staff, players, etc... Its all BS!!! Bottom line they kicked him to the curb or he pissed them off to get traded. Plus they need to lower there what they spend on players to cover the money they blew on ROMEO. So we will get another so/so player in the draft... weeeee... Maybe OBAMA will give the Browns a bail out!!!???
relax man it's only one move. i was never sold on mangini and kokinis until i saw this trade. i like what they are doing. they weren't going to the superbowl this next year with winslow. they know what they want their team to look like and winslow didn't fit the mold. i love that they are rebuilding through the draft. i just hope that it doesn't end up like the butch davis years when he rebuilt the team. i am really excited to see what else we can get for edwards/da
relax man it's only one move. i was never sold on mangini and kokinis until i saw this trade. i like what they are doing. they weren't going to the superbowl this next year with winslow. they know what they want their team to look like and winslow didn't fit the mold. i love that they are rebuilding through the draft. i just hope that it doesn't end up like the butch davis years when he rebuilt the team. i am really excited to see what else we can get for edwards/da
Good thinking and I concur. This is encouraging instead of the buffoon after buffoon moves that Savage made. Maybe, just maybe this team is going to build a competitive team. BTW, Butch had his share of FA useless signings like the last regime. You build a GOOD team by getting players on the rise not signing worn out FA's or keeping players who are high maintenance, high cost and not a field stretcher(Winslow).
For Shep it seems Carolina is interested in Anderson. I do not think anyone is going to give a second for him though after last years debacle
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and if Mangini is worth a shit...........Rogers needs to go as well..........overhyped average performer in a team that cannot play the scheme
Did you watch a single Browns game last season? Rogers filled the NT roll to perfection. He can play the scheme. Now the "big baby" routine he is pulling now is a whole different story.
Masters said:
Did you watch a single Browns game last season? Rogers filled the NT roll to perfection. He can play the scheme. Now the "big baby" routine he is pulling now is a whole different story.Rogers played well at times. He value was overhyped. We had the worst run defense in the league. Rogers main job was to plug the middle which stops the run. He did not do that well enough or consistently. And he was fat and always gassed after two plays. No biggie losing him.
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I was looking at K2's numbers.
In 5 years he played 44 games and scored 11 TD's.
I think it's amazing we got a 2nd rounder for him. I think it's an absolutely great deal for the Browns
oldcow1945 said:
I was looking at K2's numbers.In 5 years he played 44 games and scored 11 TD's.
I think it's amazing we got a 2nd rounder for him. I think it's an absolutely great deal for the Browns
Yep he averaged just over two TD's per year........wohooo that is superstar performance.........I guess not being able to block and score TD's are not requisites of a good Tight End..........Winlsow's mouth was always way greater than his performance........he played hard that about sums his career
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my bad, i meant 29.5 yrs.
care to wager on JLew for '09? i put the over/under at 1,200.
obviously i'll take the over. loser.....? no $$. i'm a good sport.
if he's traded this bet is null.
A little history for ya- ask Flugels- I've never lost an Internet bet.
You mean $1,200? LOL. You're on- I'll take the under, and unless he seriously restructures he's as good as gone. The Lewis of '08 reminded me exactly of Jerome Bettis at the end of his career. Strictly a short yardage situational back. As compared to the current crop of elite RBs in the NFL, he's totally lost his burst.
A little history for ya- ask Flugels- I've never lost an Internet bet.
You mean $1,200? LOL.
You're on- I'll take the under, and unless he seriously restructures he's as good as gone. The Lewis of '08 reminded me exactly of Jerome Bettis at the end of his career. Strictly a short yardage situational back. As compared to the current crop of elite RBs in the NFL, he's totally lost his burst.
Jamal (tap dancer) Lewis is washed up. You are on the correct side taking the under. Also, concur on Housmanzadeh, the guy is a big time player and no 1 reciever and pro bowler......he will help any team huge...............I have no problem letting go of Edwards either........after all we had the worst offense in the NFL..........that says something about all three of those guys who are supposed difference makers.........Lewis, Edwards, and Winsblow
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Well he will be the next former Browns player to get to the Super Bowl. I would like to know the ratio of caught to thrown passes he had. I would be willing to bet its way more than Edwards "Stone Hands". AKA Brown Nose. They both had 3 TD's each. Whatever... Same story, new owners, staff, players, etc... Its all BS!!! Bottom line they kicked him to the curb or he pissed them off to get traded. Plus they need to lower there what they spend on players to cover the money they blew on ROMEO. So we will get another so/so player in the draft... weeeee... Maybe OBAMA will give the Browns a bail out!!!???
relax man it's only one move. i was never sold on mangini and kokinis until i saw this trade. i like what they are doing. they weren't going to the superbowl this next year with winslow. they know what they want their team to look like and winslow didn't fit the mold. i love that they are rebuilding through the draft. i just hope that it doesn't end up like the butch davis years when he rebuilt the team. i am really excited to see what else we can get for edwards/da
relax man it's only one move. i was never sold on mangini and kokinis until i saw this trade. i like what they are doing. they weren't going to the superbowl this next year with winslow. they know what they want their team to look like and winslow didn't fit the mold. i love that they are rebuilding through the draft. i just hope that it doesn't end up like the butch davis years when he rebuilt the team. i am really excited to see what else we can get for edwards/da
Ok I'm relaxed now..a few beers I'm good to go... I just really think Winslow was a much better player than Edwards... He was open just as much... What I didn't see was the browns making any attempt to get him the ball more... I do think his badmouthing was to get him traded. He wants to win, I'm not too sure about the rest of them.. Thats all... I don't usually post... this one upset me a bit... Just seems like the same thing... next thing you know we will run up the middle for a loss on ever first down. The never ending rebuild... Thanks..
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An intriguing side note to this trade is the possibility that we could package our two second rounders, get into the first round somewhere in the 16-20 range, and grab Maualuga or Wells.
Could you imagine coming away from day one with Orakpo/Curry/Raji AND Maualuga/Wells?
I'd rather have Orakpo, Jennings/Greene, and Wood. Remember, the 2nd round is a great place to find starting Safeties, Centers, and ILBs. Even RBs.
-Al
I'd rather have Orakpo, Jennings/Greene, and Wood. Remember, the 2nd round is a great place to find starting Safeties, Centers, and ILBs. Even RBs.
-Al
Just imagine picking up one more 2nd, grabbing a center, guard and rb (Max Unger/ Andy Levitre/ Rashad Jennings).
If we could swap with Philly and get 2 for 1 in the first that's a pair of linebackers as well, maybe a Cushing/ C3 combo?
We could get lucky and get a guy like Matt Shaughnessy or Jarron Gilbert to play "lighter weight rush" 3-4 de (kind of a groom them for next season type deal)?
The fans would go wild.
Hell, I would.
But like something like that would ever happen.
Nix the going wild part, I'd probably have a heart attack.
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