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  • W Westside Steve

    @mudfly said:

    Not really rumors or innuendo, as people aren't speculating about his activities....they are photographing and reporting them....(there is a difference)...

    Maybe that statement is the source of our misunderstanding. Anyway I guess it doesn't matter. It seems to me that people are hyperventilating over nothing. If I lumped you and with them and if I'm wrong, sorry.

    Does anything that has been photographs and reported bother you?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Maybe that statement is the source of our misunderstanding. Anyway I guess it doesn't matter. It seems to me that people are hyperventilating over nothing. If I lumped you and with them and if I'm wrong, sorry.

    Does anything that has been photographs and reported bother you?

    WSS

    The photo of JM rolling the $20 dollar bill in the bathroom bothered me. It bothered the Browns org. enough where they had Pettine who was on vacation at the time make a personal call to JM.

  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @westside-steve said:

    Maybe that statement is the source of our misunderstanding. Anyway I guess it doesn't matter. It seems to me that people are hyperventilating over nothing. If I lumped you and with them and if I'm wrong, sorry.

    Does anything that has been photographs and reported bother you?

    WSS

    The photo of JM rolling the $20 dollar bill in the bathroom bothered me. It bothered the Browns org. enough where they had Pettine who was on vacation at the time make a personal call to JM.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The photo of JM rolling the $20 dollar bill in the bathroom bothered me. It bothered the Browns org. enough where they had Pettine who was on vacation at the time make a personal call to JM.

    And that would be a red flag for me too. Are riokies drug tested as often as regular players?

    That would call for an immediate test in my opinion. No idea how long cocaine stays in the system but it would in a hair follicle I'm assuming?

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • W Westside Steve

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The photo of JM rolling the $20 dollar bill in the bathroom bothered me. It bothered the Browns org. enough where they had Pettine who was on vacation at the time make a personal call to JM.

    And that would be a red flag for me too. Are riokies drug tested as often as regular players?

    That would call for an immediate test in my opinion. No idea how long cocaine stays in the system but it would in a hair follicle I'm assuming?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    And that would be a red flag for me too. Are riokies drug tested as often as regular players?

    That would call for an immediate test in my opinion. No idea how long cocaine stays in the system but it would in a hair follicle I'm assuming?

    WSS

    I don't know if the NFL uses the hair follicle testing. With the urine screens cocaine stays in the system 3-5 days.

    I did read this:

    Players are tested for banned recreational drugs only once per year. If Manziel had his test during offseason workouts, he faces no further testing until April 20, 2015.

    Unless, of course, the powers-that-be regard the photo as reasonable cause for asking Manziel to donate a cup of urine for insertion into a machine that will determine whether the urine contains evidence of any banned substances.

  • W Westside Steve

    @mudfly said:

    Not really rumors or innuendo, as people aren't speculating about his activities....they are photographing and reporting them....(there is a difference)...

    Maybe that statement is the source of our misunderstanding. Anyway I guess it doesn't matter. It seems to me that people are hyperventilating over nothing. If I lumped you and with them and if I'm wrong, sorry.

    Does anything that has been photographs and reported bother you?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Maybe that statement is the source of our misunderstanding.......It seems to me that people are hyperventilating over nothing. If I lumped you and with them and if I'm wrong, sorry.

    Does anything that has been photographs and reported bother you?

    I think it's about the extremes that we see daily on this board.......There are folks who are hyperventilating(over reacting?) and there are some who think everything's fine(under reacting?)....dont want to be lumped with either group....

    But I do see a lot that bothers me because I think of NFL qb's as executive type professionals who have reached the highest level....its a job that only 20-30 people in the whole world can do....and I think it takes total commitment & extreme effort to achieve this level.....and, yes, sacrifice too (which our guy clearly states he's not gonna do )

    And if you aint willing to sacrifice some things and work hard to succeed, then you dont deserve the rewards of the job.....

    @tour2ma said:

    Haven't seen a list since.

    I made one....JFF's list is very heavy on one side.....

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The photo of JM rolling the $20 dollar bill in the bathroom bothered me. It bothered the Browns org. enough where they had Pettine who was on vacation at the time make a personal call to JM.

    Yep, it bothered the Browns too.....which is what REALLY counts.....

    If I got called on vacation about a new employee and his personal issues, I guarantee I would be pissed and it would effect his standing in the company.....

    And if it happened over and over.....well, it wouldn't actually.....because he'd be unemployed.....

    @westside-steve said:

    And that would be a red flag for me too. Are riokies drug tested as often as regular players?

    That would call for an immediate test in my opinion. No idea how long cocaine stays in the system but it would in a hair follicle I'm assuming?

    WSS

    And that "red flag" thing is what most rational people are pointing to......There are actually "many many" red flags, which is the problem most of us have.....

    And there is nothing on the "good side" to balance those red flags.......like some touchdowns or effort or something.....anything......

    So...I've answered your questions.....how about you answer mine.....do you have a good list of his contributions to the team???

    Tour2maT W 2 Replies
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @westside-steve said:

    Maybe that statement is the source of our misunderstanding.......It seems to me that people are hyperventilating over nothing. If I lumped you and with them and if I'm wrong, sorry.

    Does anything that has been photographs and reported bother you?

    I think it's about the extremes that we see daily on this board.......There are folks who are hyperventilating(over reacting?) and there are some who think everything's fine(under reacting?)....dont want to be lumped with either group....

    But I do see a lot that bothers me because I think of NFL qb's as executive type professionals who have reached the highest level....its a job that only 20-30 people in the whole world can do....and I think it takes total commitment & extreme effort to achieve this level.....and, yes, sacrifice too (which our guy clearly states he's not gonna do )

    And if you aint willing to sacrifice some things and work hard to succeed, then you dont deserve the rewards of the job.....

    @tour2ma said:

    Haven't seen a list since.

    I made one....JFF's list is very heavy on one side.....

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The photo of JM rolling the $20 dollar bill in the bathroom bothered me. It bothered the Browns org. enough where they had Pettine who was on vacation at the time make a personal call to JM.

    Yep, it bothered the Browns too.....which is what REALLY counts.....

    If I got called on vacation about a new employee and his personal issues, I guarantee I would be pissed and it would effect his standing in the company.....

    And if it happened over and over.....well, it wouldn't actually.....because he'd be unemployed.....

    @westside-steve said:

    And that would be a red flag for me too. Are riokies drug tested as often as regular players?

    That would call for an immediate test in my opinion. No idea how long cocaine stays in the system but it would in a hair follicle I'm assuming?

    WSS

    And that "red flag" thing is what most rational people are pointing to......There are actually "many many" red flags, which is the problem most of us have.....

    And there is nothing on the "good side" to balance those red flags.......like some touchdowns or effort or something.....anything......

    So...I've answered your questions.....how about you answer mine.....do you have a good list of his contributions to the team???

    @mudfly said:

    I made one....JFF's list is very heavy on one side.....

    IIRC the "heavy side" was not the positive side. Was kinda my point... 😉

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • I think Tampa Bay ought to give us their 2nd pick for Johnny, instead of picking a qb with the 1st pick....then pair him up with evans.....recreate a lil A&M magic.....yep...

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @westside-steve said:

    Maybe that statement is the source of our misunderstanding.......It seems to me that people are hyperventilating over nothing. If I lumped you and with them and if I'm wrong, sorry.

    Does anything that has been photographs and reported bother you?

    I think it's about the extremes that we see daily on this board.......There are folks who are hyperventilating(over reacting?) and there are some who think everything's fine(under reacting?)....dont want to be lumped with either group....

    But I do see a lot that bothers me because I think of NFL qb's as executive type professionals who have reached the highest level....its a job that only 20-30 people in the whole world can do....and I think it takes total commitment & extreme effort to achieve this level.....and, yes, sacrifice too (which our guy clearly states he's not gonna do )

    And if you aint willing to sacrifice some things and work hard to succeed, then you dont deserve the rewards of the job.....

    @tour2ma said:

    Haven't seen a list since.

    I made one....JFF's list is very heavy on one side.....

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    The photo of JM rolling the $20 dollar bill in the bathroom bothered me. It bothered the Browns org. enough where they had Pettine who was on vacation at the time make a personal call to JM.

    Yep, it bothered the Browns too.....which is what REALLY counts.....

    If I got called on vacation about a new employee and his personal issues, I guarantee I would be pissed and it would effect his standing in the company.....

    And if it happened over and over.....well, it wouldn't actually.....because he'd be unemployed.....

    @westside-steve said:

    And that would be a red flag for me too. Are riokies drug tested as often as regular players?

    That would call for an immediate test in my opinion. No idea how long cocaine stays in the system but it would in a hair follicle I'm assuming?

    WSS

    And that "red flag" thing is what most rational people are pointing to......There are actually "many many" red flags, which is the problem most of us have.....

    And there is nothing on the "good side" to balance those red flags.......like some touchdowns or effort or something.....anything......

    So...I've answered your questions.....how about you answer mine.....do you have a good list of his contributions to the team???

    @mudfly said:

    I think it's about the extremes that we see daily on this board.......There are folks who are hyperventilating(over reacting?) and there are some who think everything's fine(under reacting?)....dont want to be lumped with either group....

    But I do see a lot that bothers me because I think of NFL qb's as executive type professionals who have reached the highest level....its a job that only 20-30 people in the whole world can do....and I think it takes total commitment & extreme effort to achieve this level.....and, yes, sacrifice too (which our guy clearly states he's not gonna do )

    And if you aint willing to sacrifice some things and work hard to succeed, then you dont deserve the rewards of the job.....

    I made one....JFF's list is very heavy on one side.....

    Yep, it bothered the Browns too.....which is what REALLY counts.....

    If I got called on vacation about a new employee and his personal issues, I guarantee I would be pissed and it would effect his standing in the company.....

    And if it happened over and over.....well, it wouldn't actually.....because he'd be unemployed.....

    And that "red flag" thing is what most rational people are pointing to......There are actually "many many" red flags, which is the problem most of us have.....

    And there is nothing on the "good side" to balance those red flags.......like some touchdowns or effort or something.....anything......

    So...I've answered your questions.....how about you answer mine.....do you have a good list of his contributions to the team???

    Contributions? Like what? He played in 1 complete game and didn't look very good at all. Not much worse the rest of the players including the old pros. But still....

    I'm saying that if the front office doesn't think he has talent to play in the nfl they should cut him right now and not waste time and energy. If they believe as strongly has some of the experts here on this board what the hell are they waiting for?

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @mudfly said:

    To provide an opposing view next to that list of transgressions, lets see if anyone can make a list of positives he brought to the team in terms of professionalism, overall effort or actual play.....

    A lot of folks had very long lists of positives...

    and then they saw JM play...

    and then they heard him explain his play.

    Haven't seen a list since.

    @tour2ma said:

    A lot of folks had very long lists of positives...

    and then they saw JM play...

    and then they heard him explain his play.

    Haven't seen a list since.

    This is what scares me. Other than one series against the Bills when the game was out of reach I haven't seen a glimpse of anything that makes me believe Manziel has the physical tools to be a successful NFL QB. Now add to that what appears to be a complete lack of mental acuity and I really don't know what anyone in the Browns organization saw that made them think that Manziel was worth the 22nd pick in the draft.

  • It is past time for JM to grow up. When he couldn't beat Hoyer out as starter that should have gotten his attention he needed to step up his game. He should have known right away he would have to work hard to be a good QB, that it wasn't going to come easy. He had plenty of time as back up to learn the play book and when he started the Bengals game he did not know all the plays and guys on the offense were explaining them to him in the huddle. Compare that with Connor Shaw who had very little time to prepare against the Ravens.

    👍

  • My "Browns news" google page is full of articles today referencing the ESPN.com report with 20 Browns sources trashing JM to one degree or another, on and off the record.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    My "Browns news" google page is full of articles today referencing the ESPN.com report with 20 Browns sources trashing JM to one degree or another, on and off the record.

    @tour2ma said:

    My "Browns news" google page is full of articles today referencing the ESPN.com report with 20 Browns sources trashing JM to one degree or another, on and off the record.

    Frustrating Tour. The Browns have been taking some good steps forward and much of it is lost on our drafting of Manziel. I just wish Connor Shaw would get ahold of the State Farm pump you up guys. He really impressed me in the Ravens game but I just don't know if he is big enough and has a strong enough arm. I like his mental attitude and he seems like a smart QB.

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