The Browns Strategy Meeting
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I'd bet they are going to try and swing a trade for an existing franchise QB, possibly giving up multiple first-round picks to get one.
Name a few.
Top teams all seem to have so-called 'Franchise QBs'. Crappy teams do not.
If somebody has a 'Franchise QB' why would they trade him?
Makes not sense, IMHO
Name a few.
Top teams all seem to have so-called 'Franchise QBs'. Crappy teams do not.
If somebody has a 'Franchise QB' why would they trade him?
Makes not sense, IMHO
Name a few?
Kelly Holcomb, Mike Pagel, Trent Dilfer, Matt Schaub, Matt Flynn, Kirk Cousins now Nick Foles.
WSS
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if anything a team might trade their backup not knowing if he'll turn into a 'franchise' qb or not.
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3-Day meeting to discuss strategy and direction with an Owner that has little knowledge of football can only mean one thing.
"Fail"
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The other option I see is trying to improve the team with our draft, signing Hoyer as a FA, Shaw as back up. That is the one I like.
Thats my pick. You cant pick or sign a franchise QB that doesn't even exist
Build a bullet proof core with 2 solid lines added to that bad ass defensive backfield, and we should be fine.....
A great team will make an average QB much better......(rarely works the other way though)
Thats my pick. You cant pick or sign a franchise QB that doesn't even exist
Build a bullet proof core with 2 solid lines added to that bad ass defensive backfield, and we should be fine.....
A great team will make an average QB much better......(rarely works the other way though)
Hm.
I don't think that's the case at all.
How many average QB's have made it to the Super Bowl in the past 10 years?
Brady, Wilson, Manning, Flacco, Kaepernick, Roethlisberger, Manning, Rodgers, Warner, Brees, Grossman, Hasselbeck, McNabb
Outside of Kaepernick, Grossman and maybe Hasselbeck, seems like the common denominator has been a consistently productive to elite quarterback. There aren't many one-and-done teams in that list, but it's no coincidence that the ones that are are the ones that have the "average" quarterbacks.
While building two badass lines and a solid running game sounds great on paper, it's a lot harder in implementation. That's anywhere from 8-10 contracts that you have to both align and pay. If you want 8-10 badass players, that's 8-10 badass contracts. Say you finally get those 8-10 players all signed for varying contracts. It's highly unlikely that they'll all be rookies. It's more likely you'll have to supplement with experienced, and overpaid, veterans. Now your window is even smaller to win a championship.
You sign a guy who's 28, you have 2-3 years on him at best. You sign 2 guys that are 28, one guy that's 27, a few that are 25, and then you have 3 or 4 rookies that take time to develop? By the time the rookies develop and, the two 28 year olds and the 27 year old are done, and the 25 year olds are now 27-28. Now you've got to replace those guys that are gone with new rookies, which means they're going to take a few years to develop.
While that above system is great, it's nothing to rely on. That's what you do when you have an established, solid franchise quarterback. Not when you're trying to mask an average QB.
It's actually much easier to find a franchise quarterback.
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3-Day meeting to discuss strategy and direction with an Owner that has little knowledge of football can only mean one thing.
"Fail"
3-Day meeting to discuss strategy and direction with an Owner that has little knowledge of football can only mean one thing.
"Fail"
It's just like trying to talk football with you.
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Thats my pick. You cant pick or sign a franchise QB that doesn't even exist
Build a bullet proof core with 2 solid lines added to that bad ass defensive backfield, and we should be fine.....
A great team will make an average QB much better......(rarely works the other way though)
Hm.
I don't think that's the case at all.
How many average QB's have made it to the Super Bowl in the past 10 years?
Brady, Wilson, Manning, Flacco, Kaepernick, Roethlisberger, Manning, Rodgers, Warner, Brees, Grossman, Hasselbeck, McNabb
Outside of Kaepernick, Grossman and maybe Hasselbeck, seems like the common denominator has been a consistently productive to elite quarterback. There aren't many one-and-done teams in that list, but it's no coincidence that the ones that are are the ones that have the "average" quarterbacks.
While building two badass lines and a solid running game sounds great on paper, it's a lot harder in implementation. That's anywhere from 8-10 contracts that you have to both align and pay. If you want 8-10 badass players, that's 8-10 badass contracts. Say you finally get those 8-10 players all signed for varying contracts. It's highly unlikely that they'll all be rookies. It's more likely you'll have to supplement with experienced, and overpaid, veterans. Now your window is even smaller to win a championship.
You sign a guy who's 28, you have 2-3 years on him at best. You sign 2 guys that are 28, one guy that's 27, a few that are 25, and then you have 3 or 4 rookies that take time to develop? By the time the rookies develop and, the two 28 year olds and the 27 year old are done, and the 25 year olds are now 27-28. Now you've got to replace those guys that are gone with new rookies, which means they're going to take a few years to develop.
While that above system is great, it's nothing to rely on. That's what you do when you have an established, solid franchise quarterback. Not when you're trying to mask an average QB.
It's actually much easier to find a franchise quarterback.
It's actually much easier to find a franchise quarterback.
Yeah they just fall off trees.
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It's actually much easier to find a franchise quarterback.
Yeah they just fall off trees.
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^ Internet tough guys on this board LOL
You say it's easier to find a franchise QB than to put together two good lines . . . How many elite QB's are in the league compared to good O lines and D Lines? Not to mention those elite QB's tend to operate opposite of good to very good D's and have an O-line that can block somebody. Plus you don't need every lineman to be an elite lineman and require huge contracts to have a good unit. Your post was just lacking any basis in fact.
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^ Internet tough guys on this board LOL
You say it's easier to find a franchise QB than to put together two good lines . . . How many elite QB's are in the league compared to good O lines and D Lines? Not to mention those elite QB's tend to operate opposite of good to very good D's and have an O-line that can block somebody. Plus you don't need every lineman to be an elite lineman and require huge contracts to have a good unit. Your post was just lacking any basis in fact.
^ Internet tough guys on this board LOL
You say it's easier to find a franchise QB than to put together two good lines . . . How many elite QB's are in the league compared to good O lines and D Lines? Not to mention those elite QB's tend to operate opposite of good to very good D's and have an O-line that can block somebody. Plus you don't need every lineman to be an elite lineman and require huge contracts to have a good unit. Your post was just lacking any basis in fact.
No, I said it was easier to find a franchise quarterback than win a Super Bowl with two elite lines and an average quarterback.
But if you'd like to contradict that point, I'd love to read it.
How many "average" quarterbacks have won a Super Bowl in the last 15 years? I'll wait.
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it'd be nice to have an elite D, an elite O and an elite QB.
the D is closer to becoming that. just need to beef up the line and a couple of LB positions.
once the OL is finally fixed (which has been said now by me for 4 years, at least) then we just need people at the skill positons, WR and QB to cap it off.
manziel has shown not a glimpse of being able to play in the league. i think they'll relegate him to the bench if not trade him, which means the browns resign hoyer or get a serviceable vet and then draft a late rounder hoping he can play at the nfl level.
if not set your sights on the 2016 QB class.
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it'd be nice to have an elite D, an elite O and an elite QB.
the D is closer to becoming that. just need to beef up the line and a couple of LB positions.
once the OL is finally fixed (which has been said now by me for 4 years, at least) then we just need people at the skill positons, WR and QB to cap it off.
manziel has shown not a glimpse of being able to play in the league. i think they'll relegate him to the bench if not trade him, which means the browns resign hoyer or get a serviceable vet and then draft a late rounder hoping he can play at the nfl level.
if not set your sights on the 2016 QB class.
it'd be nice to have an elite D, an elite O and an elite QB.
the D is closer to becoming that. just need to beef up the line and a couple of LB positions.
once the OL is finally fixed (which has been said now by me for 4 years, at least) then we just need people at the skill positons, WR and QB to cap it off.
Exactly, we are finally on the verge of having two respectable lines and a good D. Turning away from completing them would be a terrible decision.
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I'll give you that . . . How many elite QB's have won with no run game or run D, or effective pass blocking? It doesn't matter how elite your QB is if you have none of those things.
I'll give you that . . . How many elite QB's have won with no run game or run D, or effective pass blocking? It doesn't matter how elite your QB is if you have none of those things.
That's very true. I wasn't advocating for us to abandon the strategy of building from the inside out. I was simply pointing out that it's much more likely to stumble across a franchise quarterback than it is to juggle 10 franchise players along both lines and win a Super Bowl.
And who says we don't already have an elite offensive line? Before Mack went down with an injury, the a Browns offensive line was ranked 1st in the league by PFF.
Further, investing another first round pick doesn't guarantee it will be elite. We have two firsts and two seconds already invested in the offensive line. Compare that with Dallas, who finished the season with the first overall offensive line that features an undrafted player and a 4th round pick.
We have a strong foundation on both sides of the ball. Even if we stood pat and didn't acquire a single player on either line, we'd still be in a better position than more than half of the league.
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I'm just tired of every time something goes wrong we freak out and do dumb things and lose sight of the long term. How many times have they drafted some offensive skill guy and then expect us to think we're going 12 - 4 the following season. I'm tired of this team using the draft to pick up some guy to sell us on, instead of building an actual team. Get a plan and stick with it. I would much rather see a few years of unsexy drafts and then go after the big name guys than the grasping at straws we've seen time and time again.
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This club at one point in the season was 7-4 and ended up 7-9. That is what I would like to see diagnosed. How and why did we collapse? I thought our running game wasn't good after Mack went down. I hope Hoyer stays with team for next season. I think he is a good QB and I wonder just how good he can be with improvements made on the offense?
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This club at one point in the season was 7-4 and ended up 7-9. That is what I would like to see diagnosed. How and why did we collapse? I thought our running game wasn't good after Mack went down. I hope Hoyer stays with team for next season. I think he is a good QB and I wonder just how good he can be with improvements made on the offense?
This club at one point in the season was 7-4 and ended up 7-9. That is what I would like to see diagnosed. How and why did we collapse? I thought our running game wasn't good after Mack went down. I hope Hoyer stays with team for next season. I think he is a good QB and I wonder just how good he can be with improvements made on the offense?
I am still waiting for this wrecking the league thing mentioned last year. I will hold my breathe starting now.
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And now find a wr we can count on being there. I'd sure love to be a fly on the wall for this meeting now.
And now find a wr we can count on being there. I'd sure love to be a fly on the wall for this meeting now.
What's Amari Cooper going to cost us?
What a crock of shit.. If they need 3 days to put a strategy together.. Then all 3 morons should just pack up and leave town.. Dumb!
Nah- a lot to discuss. More than just strategy. You can bet every player on the team, plus coaches are on the table.
Hm.
I don't think that's the case at all.
How many average QB's have made it to the Super Bowl in the past 10 years?
Brady, Wilson, Manning, Flacco, Kaepernick, Roethlisberger, Manning, Rodgers, Warner, Brees, Grossman, Hasselbeck, McNabb
It's actually much easier to find a franchise quarterback.
Easy? Sure, if it's so damn "easy" why haven't the Browns been able to find one since 1999, and counting? Most of the "elite" QBs were high first round picks- or a team got hit by lightning. Brady, Wilson, (who I don't consider "elite") but his team is, Warner.
The multi time SB qbs come along every three years or so- and you had better be incredibly sucky (Indy twice with Manning and now Luck) - or incredibly lucky with everyone else.
Dumb luck says we should have guessed right at least once instead of Quinn, Wee-Done, and Manzielf. McCoy or Frye. And a raft of FA retreads.
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3-Day meeting to discuss strategy and direction with an Owner that has little knowledge of football can only mean one thing.
"Fail"
3-Day meeting to discuss strategy and direction with an Owner that has little knowledge of football can only mean one thing.
"Fail"
It's not as if the goal of this retreat is to set a "Big Board" and an FA list. The lack of football detail at that meeting would likely stun you.
Not that there will be no discussion of the on-field performance, but the focus will likely be how the entire organization performed in support of the on-field product... where it succeeded and failed. This should be a high-level, cornerstone, organizational review focusing on goals, budgets, processes and resources (people, services, etc.).
If Haslam is anywhere near the businessman I think he is, then he sets the tone at the opening, delivers his impressions at the closing and in between asks a ton of tough, pointed questions.
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3-Day meeting to discuss strategy and direction with an Owner that has little knowledge of football can only mean one thing.
"Fail"
It's not as if the goal of this retreat is to set a "Big Board" and an FA list. The lack of football detail at that meeting would likely stun you.
Not that there will be no discussion of the on-field performance, but the focus will likely be how the entire organization performed in support of the on-field product... where it succeeded and failed. This should be a high-level, cornerstone, organizational review focusing on goals, budgets, processes and resources (people, services, etc.).
If Haslam is anywhere near the businessman I think he is, then he sets the tone at the opening, delivers his impressions at the closing and in between asks a ton of tough, pointed questions.
It's not as if the goal of this retreat is to set a "Big Board" and an FA list. The lack of football detail at that meeting would likely stun you.
Not that there will be no discussion of the on-field performance, but the focus will likely be how the entire organization performed in support of the on-field product... where it succeeded and failed. This should be a high-level, cornerstone, organizational review focusing on goals, budgets, processes and resources (people, services, etc.).
If Haslam is anywhere near the businessman I think he is, then he sets the tone at the opening, delivers his impressions at the closing and in between asks a ton of tough, pointed questions.
I agree....sounds like a typical "year end review" type of meeting.... with an eye on "where are we going next?"....and who's doin what?....
Nothing like being on the same page.....
The only dysfunction i see with this group is in the imagination of the fans who dont understand how well run operations work.......
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It's not as if the goal of this retreat is to set a "Big Board" and an FA list. The lack of football detail at that meeting would likely stun you.
Not that there will be no discussion of the on-field performance, but the focus will likely be how the entire organization performed in support of the on-field product... where it succeeded and failed. This should be a high-level, cornerstone, organizational review focusing on goals, budgets, processes and resources (people, services, etc.).
If Haslam is anywhere near the businessman I think he is, then he sets the tone at the opening, delivers his impressions at the closing and in between asks a ton of tough, pointed questions.
I agree....sounds like a typical "year end review" type of meeting.... with an eye on "where are we going next?"....and who's doin what?....
Nothing like being on the same page.....
The only dysfunction i see with this group is in the imagination of the fans who dont understand how well run operations work.......
I agree....sounds like a typical "year end review" type of meeting.... with an eye on "where are we going next?"....and who's doin what?....
Nothing like being on the same page.....
The only dysfunction i see with this group is in the imagination of the fans who dont understand how well run operations work.......
You mean the "it didn't work immediately so fire everybody and start again" fans?
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