Report: Jordan Cameron rejects 6-7 million dollars from Browns.
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I would offer it to Julius Thomas.
Yup... and maybe more.
In addition to the fact that the $6-7 mil may have been the opening offer, there's no telling why Cam turned the offer down. How many years? What percentage is guaranteed? How much base? How much incentive?
$6 mil+ is top ten TE money. Hard for me to see Cam being worth that, let alone more... at least not base.
Yup... and maybe more.
In addition to the fact that the $6-7 mil may have been the opening offer, there's no telling why Cam turned the offer down. How many years? What percentage is guaranteed? How much base? How much incentive?
$6 mil+ is top ten TE money. Hard for me to see Cam being worth that, let alone more... at least not base.
It's actually not hard to imagine the contract being heavy but with little guaranteed due to injury concerns.
If I were in charge, that's how I'd structure it.
Cameron has the possibility of being elite when he's not injured. However, those times seem to be few and far between. Instead of a large signing bonus, medium base and performance escalators, I could see a high base with a low signing bonus and small portion guaranteed.
For the organization, this makes the most sense. You pay Cameron top-tier money if he plays all season, he's got a franchise-friendly contract if you'd like to trade him, and you release him with little dead money if he ends up sucking.
For Cameron, it's still beneficial. He's not going to get a top-ten contract in FA. That's just not going to happen. I'm sure his agent is looking for a $10 million/year contract with 75% guaranteed or some garbage. But he won't find it. So, if you really want out of Cleveland, take the franchise tight end level contract they're willing to offer you, dog it for a couple games and see who comes calling by the trade deadline.
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Yup... and maybe more.
In addition to the fact that the $6-7 mil may have been the opening offer, there's no telling why Cam turned the offer down. How many years? What percentage is guaranteed? How much base? How much incentive?
$6 mil+ is top ten TE money. Hard for me to see Cam being worth that, let alone more... at least not base.
It's actually not hard to imagine the contract being heavy but with little guaranteed due to injury concerns.
If I were in charge, that's how I'd structure it.
Cameron has the possibility of being elite when he's not injured. However, those times seem to be few and far between. Instead of a large signing bonus, medium base and performance escalators, I could see a high base with a low signing bonus and small portion guaranteed.
For the organization, this makes the most sense. You pay Cameron top-tier money if he plays all season, he's got a franchise-friendly contract if you'd like to trade him, and you release him with little dead money if he ends up sucking.
For Cameron, it's still beneficial. He's not going to get a top-ten contract in FA. That's just not going to happen. I'm sure his agent is looking for a $10 million/year contract with 75% guaranteed or some garbage. But he won't find it. So, if you really want out of Cleveland, take the franchise tight end level contract they're willing to offer you, dog it for a couple games and see who comes calling by the trade deadline.
It's actually not hard to imagine the contract being heavy but with little guaranteed due to injury concerns.
If I were in charge, that's how I'd structure it.
Cameron has the possibility of being elite when he's not injured. However, those times seem to be few and far between. Instead of a large signing bonus, medium base and performance escalators, I could see a high base with a low signing bonus and small portion guaranteed.
For the organization, this makes the most sense. You pay Cameron top-tier money if he plays all season, he's got a franchise-friendly contract if you'd like to trade him, and you release him with little dead money if he ends up sucking.
For Cameron, it's still beneficial. He's not going to get a top-ten contract in FA. That's just not going to happen. I'm sure his agent is looking for a $10 million/year contract with 75% guaranteed or some garbage. But he won't find it. So, if you really want out of Cleveland, take the franchise tight end level contract they're willing to offer you, dog it for a couple games and see who comes calling by the trade deadline.
This is how all deals should be configured...
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I liked a healthy Cameron, but no sense paying that kind of money for a TE.
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Cameron could have been excellent here. I agree with those who don't like the contract offer though and don't blame FO for letting him fly if he thinks he can do better elsewhere.
I DO worry about this team though. I worry about the positives we have disintegrating and the problems not getting fixed. I'm concerned about how the franchise is viewed by potential free agent additions and whether that's going to severely limit the team's potential to get better.
I think this is smart from FO and fuck Cameron if he doesn't want to be a part of things in Cleveland. But I would have much rather heard that he was excited to come back and Play Like a Brown next year.
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I would offer it to Julius Thomas.
Agree 100% if he is available although it will likely take more than that.
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I liked a healthy Cameron, but no sense paying that kind of money for a TE.
Whether the league wants to acknowledge it or not for tag purposes the TE position has evolved into two distinct positions. For the new wave giant TE who are actually just huge receivers they are worth every penny of that an more.
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he can't stay healthy and he obviously thinks he's worth jimmy graham money.
fuck him.
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I would offer it to Julius Thomas.
Julius Thomas is going to sign for more unless he takes a discount to stay. Cameron has all the talent with concussion issues. I think he will get the money he wants but I don't believe he's a tight end you break the bank for either. Im sure it didn't help that the browns qb situation is in disarray.
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I would offer it to Julius Thomas.
Julius Thomas is going to sign for more unless he takes a discount to stay. Cameron has all the talent with concussion issues. I think he will get the money he wants but I don't believe he's a tight end you break the bank for either. Im sure it didn't help that the browns qb situation is in disarray.
Julius Thomas is going to sign for more unless he takes a discount to stay. Cameron has all the talent with concussion issues. I think he will get the money he wants but I don't believe he's a tight end you break the bank for either. Im sure it didn't help that the browns qb situation is in disarray.
Disarray would mean that there is a QB situation to begin with.
The Browns don't have a QB. Except Connor Shaw.
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I like Cameron, but I'm in the "take it or leave it" camp when it comes to his contract. Concussions aren't anything to play around with, just ask Sidney Crosby.
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I like Cameron, but I'm in the "take it or leave it" camp when it comes to his contract. Concussions aren't anything to play around with, just ask Sidney Crosby.
6-7 million is very generous IMO. If he doesn't want that fuck him, it's more than he's worth in the first placeI like Cameron, but I'm in the "take it or leave it" camp when it comes to his contract. Concussions aren't anything to play around with, just ask Sidney Crosby.
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Fuck him. He had one good season.
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6-7 million is very generous IMO. If he doesn't want that fuck him, it's more than he's worth in the first placeI like Cameron, but I'm in the "take it or leave it" camp when it comes to his contract. Concussions aren't anything to play around with, just ask Sidney Crosby.
6-7 million is very generous IMO. If he doesn't want that fuck him, it's more than he's worth in the first place
Agreed, with all that's been going on with the Browns, Cameron's contract situation is barely on my radar at all. The only scenario that would truly piss me off would be the Browns giving him a ridiculous contract. I can't see that happening given his injury history though.
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With no offense intended to Cam, he's a subpar inline blocker - and that's being kind.
He's a receiving threat only and one that's about a high shot away from retiring. I can't blame the man for trying to secure what might be his last contract, but 6-7 million is very fair for his services.
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I liked a healthy Cameron, but no sense paying that kind of money for a TE.
That is the key. I don't mind what we pay a good player. It all works in to the cap one way or another. The key is Camerons health. The problem with concussions is once you show a history, it becomes more likely you will have them again.
I don't know if we can afford to keep a guy who is likely to sit 4-5-6 games a year following league protocol.
I like the guy, I am just not sure he is going to have much of a career moving forward. How many more concussions can he sustain before he decides it's best to retire? And who could blame him? The thought of dementia at the age of 78 is scary enough, let alone at 55. Look at Bernie, he is punch drunk and how old is he?
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You guys are forgetting... .nobody wants to play here!
You guys are forgetting... .nobody wants to play here!
^ This. This is why I don't really pay attention to the FA rumor mill. Until the Browns actually gain back credibility by placing a comptetive and sustainable product out on the field, we won't be drawing in very many big name free agents, regardless of how much coin we throw at them. The few Haynesworths in the league aside, the majority of players are not just all about money; they want to play for franchises that are stable and have a winning culture, neither of which the Browns have at the moment.
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Yup... and maybe more.
In addition to the fact that the $6-7 mil may have been the opening offer, there's no telling why Cam turned the offer down. How many years? What percentage is guaranteed? How much base? How much incentive?
$6 mil+ is top ten TE money. Hard for me to see Cam being worth that, let alone more... at least not base.
It's actually not hard to imagine the contract being heavy but with little guaranteed due to injury concerns.
If I were in charge, that's how I'd structure it.
Cameron has the possibility of being elite when he's not injured. However, those times seem to be few and far between. Instead of a large signing bonus, medium base and performance escalators, I could see a high base with a low signing bonus and small portion guaranteed.
For the organization, this makes the most sense. You pay Cameron top-tier money if he plays all season, he's got a franchise-friendly contract if you'd like to trade him, and you release him with little dead money if he ends up sucking.
For Cameron, it's still beneficial. He's not going to get a top-ten contract in FA. That's just not going to happen. I'm sure his agent is looking for a $10 million/year contract with 75% guaranteed or some garbage. But he won't find it. So, if you really want out of Cleveland, take the franchise tight end level contract they're willing to offer you, dog it for a couple games and see who comes calling by the trade deadline.
Cameron has the possibility of being elite when he's not injured.
I am not sure that I know what you mean when you talk about the "contract being heavy". Incentive laden?
While the concussions do concern me, after three years we shouldn't have to qualify his potential. He had one great year.
Of greatest concern is that when I watch 2014 footage of Cam vs. top fluidity TEs like Graham and Davis and even Gates, and I do not see their level of fluidity. I thought I saw it in 2013, but not in 2014.
I watch 2014 footage of Cam vs. top power TEs like Gronk and Witten and Pitta and Olsen, and I do not see their level of power. No surprise as it's not really Cam's game.
I see a hybrid that's now not close enough to the top in either element to pay what he may be wanting. I see that in Thomas.
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Cameron has the possibility of being elite when he's not injured.
I am not sure that I know what you mean when you talk about the "contract being heavy". Incentive laden?
While the concussions do concern me, after three years we shouldn't have to qualify his potential. He had one great year.
Of greatest concern is that when I watch 2014 footage of Cam vs. top fluidity TEs like Graham and Davis and even Gates, and I do not see their level of fluidity. I thought I saw it in 2013, but not in 2014.
I watch 2014 footage of Cam vs. top power TEs like Gronk and Witten and Pitta and Olsen, and I do not see their level of power. No surprise as it's not really Cam's game.
I see a hybrid that's now not close enough to the top in either element to pay what he may be wanting. I see that in Thomas.
Of greatest concern is that when I watch 2014 footage of Cam vs. top fluidity TEs like Graham and Davis and even Gates, and I do not see their level of fluidity. I thought I saw it in 2013, but not in 2014.
I watch 2014 footage of Cam vs. top power TEs like Gronk and Witten and Pitta and Olsen, and I do not see their level of power. No surprise as it's not really Cam's game.
I see a hybrid that's now not close enough to the top in either element to pay what he may be wanting. I see that in Thomas.
I see similar things......to me, he's just a "specialist", which is the new term for "one dimensional".....
Ive always thought of TE as a hybrid wr-ol type of player.......with the power to block and the athleticism to catch and run.....
He's always been missing the power part.....making him more of a large(slow) receiver, than a complete TE....
Of course, catching lots of long passes gets you all the popular stats.....while being a solid blocker gets you rushing yards and an average label.....
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Should have traded Cameron to the seahawks for Percy Harvin
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