The Browns Strategy Meeting
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This club at one point in the season was 7-4 and ended up 7-9. That is what I would like to see diagnosed. How and why did we collapse? I thought our running game wasn't good after Mack went down. I hope Hoyer stays with team for next season. I think he is a good QB and I wonder just how good he can be with improvements made on the offense?
This club at one point in the season was 7-4 and ended up 7-9. That is what I would like to see diagnosed. How and why did we collapse? I thought our running game wasn't good after Mack went down. I hope Hoyer stays with team for next season. I think he is a good QB and I wonder just how good he can be with improvements made on the offense?
because our run stoppers on the DL got injured and our center on the OL went down. those are the 2 major reasons IMO.
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I'd like to see Hoyer return too, but I suspect he is asking too much money. But then again he kind of has the Browns over a Barrel in the QB position.
Would you bet your team on essentially two guys who have just over two games between them in the NFL?
It will be interesting to see how they handle the QB and now WR questions.
Will it be to the detriment of building from the lines up? That is the real question.
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I;m in the school of thought that we should keep building this team with BPAs, and adding depth to both lines and the defense.. Acquire a bigWR in FA or the draft and keep the same QBs as last year.
I don't see any Andrew Luck's in this draft, besides Jameis (who still has a lot to prove) and he'll be long gone by 12.
Brian Hoyer was leading a playoff team before the injuries started piling up.
Run game and Defense
We will find our franchise QB soon enough
You're right about Famous Jameis. He has all the measurables Manziel doesn't. But the same off-field concerns- maybe worse. We're not swinging for the fences two years running on a character risk. Mariota has the same concerns as JFF- gimmick system, can he convert to a pro-style offense? I thought Cardale Jones clearly outplayed him in the National Championship.
Don't get me wrong- I love Brian Hoyer- but he's limited. Arm strength is adequate, but his deep ball accuracy frankly sucks. Opposing teams know this, and they'll crowd the box on him now that they have tape, and dare him to beat them over the top with a misguided missile.
You're right about Famous Jameis. He has all the measurables Manziel doesn't. But the same off-field concerns- maybe worse. We're not swinging for the fences two years running on a character risk. Mariota has the same concerns as JFF- gimmick system, can he convert to a pro-style offense? I thought Cardale Jones clearly outplayed him in the National Championship.
Don't get me wrong- I love Brian Hoyer- but he's limited. Arm strength is adequate, but his deep ball accuracy frankly sucks. Opposing teams know this, and they'll crowd the box on him now that they have tape, and dare him to beat them over the top with a misguided missile.
I think the character concerns are much less concerning with Jameis than Manziel.
Obviously the rape issue is huge. That goes without saying. According to his account, which wasn't necessarily outright denied by the accuser, it sounds like a dumb college kid who got drunk at a party and hooked up with a girl while she was very drunk. Creepy and wrong, certainly. Morally questionable, absolutely. A forceful rapist, probably not. This kind of "hookup" happens thousands of times every weekend across the country. Then the shitstorm came about and FSU tried to sweep it under the rug, which made matters infinitely worse.
I know close personal friends who have literally uttered the statement "I was so drunk last night, I barely even (or don't) remember having sex with him/her". My generation loves to get stupid hammered, meet a person or two from Tinder, then go hook up. That's just what happens now. I don't pretend to like it, but I know it's the case.
As for standing up and yelling an obscenity at a cafeteria table? Wouldn't even be talked about if the other issue didn't exist. Jameis would be a consensus #1. Kid hasn't done even half of the immature shit Manziel did or is still doing.
Obviously I'm not condoning or excusing his behavior. It is concerning. But if you've read the documents available, it's not nearly what it's made out to be. It was a stupid kid who made a stupid mistake and then someone possibly attempting a shakedown.
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You're right about Famous Jameis. He has all the measurables Manziel doesn't. But the same off-field concerns- maybe worse. We're not swinging for the fences two years running on a character risk. Mariota has the same concerns as JFF- gimmick system, can he convert to a pro-style offense? I thought Cardale Jones clearly outplayed him in the National Championship.
Don't get me wrong- I love Brian Hoyer- but he's limited. Arm strength is adequate, but his deep ball accuracy frankly sucks. Opposing teams know this, and they'll crowd the box on him now that they have tape, and dare him to beat them over the top with a misguided missile.
I think the character concerns are much less concerning with Jameis than Manziel.
Obviously the rape issue is huge. That goes without saying. According to his account, which wasn't necessarily outright denied by the accuser, it sounds like a dumb college kid who got drunk at a party and hooked up with a girl while she was very drunk. Creepy and wrong, certainly. Morally questionable, absolutely. A forceful rapist, probably not. This kind of "hookup" happens thousands of times every weekend across the country. Then the shitstorm came about and FSU tried to sweep it under the rug, which made matters infinitely worse.
I know close personal friends who have literally uttered the statement "I was so drunk last night, I barely even (or don't) remember having sex with him/her". My generation loves to get stupid hammered, meet a person or two from Tinder, then go hook up. That's just what happens now. I don't pretend to like it, but I know it's the case.
As for standing up and yelling an obscenity at a cafeteria table? Wouldn't even be talked about if the other issue didn't exist. Jameis would be a consensus #1. Kid hasn't done even half of the immature shit Manziel did or is still doing.
Obviously I'm not condoning or excusing his behavior. It is concerning. But if you've read the documents available, it's not nearly what it's made out to be. It was a stupid kid who made a stupid mistake and then someone possibly attempting a shakedown.
Obviously I'm not condoning or excusing his behavior.
No, it isn't obvious. Nearly everything you wrote sounds like an excuse.
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Haslam, Farmer and Pettine off on a 3 day retreat to discuss strategy. It will be interesting to see what their strategy going forward will be? I keep seeing hints about going after the franchise qb. I don't know. We have had big problems in this area. I thought Mariota might be worth going after but I agree with some who have posted here about him playing in a gimmicky offense at Oregon. Winston has the personal issues but looks like he would be a good qb. The other option I see is trying to improve the team with our draft, signing Hoyer as a FA, Shaw as back up. That is the one I like.
Haslam, Farmer and Pettine off on a 3 day retreat to discuss strategy. It will be interesting to see what their strategy going forward will be? I keep seeing hints about going after the franchise qb. I don't know. We have had big problems in this area. I thought Mariota might be worth going after but I agree with some who have posted here about him playing in a gimmicky offense at Oregon. Winston has the personal issues but looks like he would be a good qb. The other option I see is trying to improve the team with our draft, signing Hoyer as a FA, Shaw as back up. That is the one I like.
If Manziel is not on this team I think the best decision was made, however someone from the Haslam/Farmer duo needs to go on TV and say they fucked up.
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Obviously I'm not condoning or excusing his behavior.
No, it isn't obvious. Nearly everything you wrote sounds like an excuse.
No, it isn't obvious. Nearly everything you wrote sounds like an excuse.
Or facts.
Was he convicted?
βIt was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. β¦ To get leverage, I took my head out to push him up and off.β
I mean, does that honestly sound like something a scumbag would do?
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What are you talking about?
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You guys are insane...
Alleged Rape, Theft, and Disorderly Conduct
is somehow worse than
NO ARRESTS, Going to Parties, and Being late to a Hamstring Massage?
Man...
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You guys are insane...
Alleged Rape, Theft, and Disorderly Conduct
is somehow worse than
NO ARRESTS, Going to Parties, and Being late to a Hamstring Massage?
Man...
You guys are insane...
Alleged Rape, Theft, and Disorderly Conduct
is somehow worse than
NO ARRESTS, Going to Parties, and Being late to a Hamstring Massage?
Man...
um...dont you have that backwards?
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No.. Im saying Im baffled about how people here somehow think Manziel is worse off the field than Winston..
The hate is insane
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No.. Im saying Im baffled about how people here somehow think Manziel is worse off the field than Winston..
The hate is insane
No.. Im saying Im baffled about how people here somehow think Manziel is worse off the field than Winston..
The hate is insane
Winston's legal baggage may be worse but he appears to care about football. Sure Manziel doesnt appear to be in any legal trouble, but he hasn't shown that he gives a shit about football. So who do you want on the team? A guy with legal issues with upside or a partier that doesn't give a shit about football..?
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No.. Im saying Im baffled about how people here somehow think Manziel is worse off the field than Winston..
The hate is insane
Winston's legal baggage may be worse but he appears to care about football. Sure Manziel doesnt appear to be in any legal trouble, but he hasn't shown that he gives a shit about football. So who do you want on the team? A guy with legal issues with upside or a partier that doesn't give a shit about football..?
So who do you want on the team? A guy with legal issues with upside or a partier that doesn't give a shit about football..?
neither. and thats the main point.
who cares which one is the biggest asshole???
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There is only one way the hate for JM goes away here and that is for him to take care of business, arrive early, stay late and move this team on offense. Is that possible? Yes.
Probable-only JM knows for sure.
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There is only one way the hate for JM goes away here and that is for him to take care of business, arrive early, stay late and move this team on offense. Is that possible? Yes.
Probable-only JM knows for sure.
I think it will come down to production, not optics. It doesn't matter if you come early and stay late if you suck on Sunday. I'm hoping he and the team are on the same page and everything works out. I would further hope the coaching staff doesn't design an offense tailored for Jim Kelly.There is only one way the hate for JM goes away here and that is for him to take care of business, arrive early, stay late and move this team on offense. Is that possible? Yes.
Probable-only JM knows for sure.
WSS
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There is only one way the hate for JM goes away here and that is for him to take care of business, arrive early, stay late and move this team on offense. Is that possible? Yes.
Probable-only JM knows for sure.
There is only one way the hate for JM goes away here and that is for him to take care of business, arrive early, stay late and move this team on offense. Is that possible? Yes.
Probable-only JM knows for sure.
I don't hate JM but I don't have patience with someone I don't believe is giving the effort they should. I see a QB like Connor Shaw and although I am not sure if he has the arm strength I want to see the Browns go out of their way to help him succeed because of his attitude. I would feel the same way about JM if I saw the same attitude but I don't.
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The Browns are at a crossroads right now where some wise decisions are needed. As has been posted here before they have a lot of talent on this team and a few players in key positions could take this team into the playoffs next year even with playing a tougher schedule. Some of the decisions they are making right now like the hiring of DeFilippo as OC I trust the judgment of Pettine.
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No.. Im saying Im baffled about how people here somehow think Manziel is worse off the field than Winston..
The hate is insane
No.. Im saying Im baffled about how people here somehow think Manziel is worse off the field than Winston..
The hate is insane
the difference is, one is on the browns' roster and the other isn't.
if it were winston or any other so-called college great who can't play a lick in the NFL here and making the same mistakes you'd see the same posts albeit with ________ sucks! he keeps Fing up off the field! they should cut ________'s ass.
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"F'ing?"
C'Mon Mik, you going to charm school or what?
WSS
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"F'ing?"
C'Mon Mik, you going to charm school or what?
WSS
"F'ing?"
C'Mon Mik, you going to charm school or what?
WSS
LOL! Going? Going??!! Mik's teaching the f'n thing and it's paying off for all of us.
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Terry Pluto has just put up a nice article on the results of the post season reviews. Here's a bit or two. The whole thing is worth a read.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/01/terrys_talkin_about_the_clevel_41.html
The Browns believe the following:
1. The offense was built on a rugged running game, solid quarterback play and receivers who caught the ball and ran the right patterns. It has to stay that way. They'd love to have an elite quarterback, but that doesn't seem possible. In the AFC North, with cold weather and physical teams, it makes sense for the Browns to keep the run first/defend well philosophy in place.
2. The defense started slowly and was improving. It began to force turnovers and was effective against the passing game. Run defense was a weakness all season.
3. The Browns opened the season with the plan of developing an offense built on the run and play-action passing. And they were going to rely on their defense to make big plays.
The Browns know they have to address the run defense, and that starts with the defensive line. But overall, they believe they are building a defense that can compete in the AFC North.
The offense remains a problem. I was not able to get a sense of what they plan to do about the quarterback -- other than they have do something. Maybe they aren't clear themselves because the options are so limited. That's part of the reason they have re-opened communications with Brian Hoyer's agent.
Here are some other things I'm hearing:
1. They want to add another good offensive lineman, either in the draft or free agency. They want to avoid another huge drop-off as happened when Pro Bowl center Alex Mack broke his leg and the Browns went through three other players unable to find a decent replacement.
2. I doubt they will use a first-round pick on a receiver. They may return to free agency for this season's version of Andrew Hawkins, their free agent pick from 2014. If he's healthy, Miles Austin (lacerated kidney) is likely to be offered a chance to return.
3. They like their young running backs: Terrance West, Isaiah Crowell and Glenn Winston. They believe Winston can be a good back, which is why they kept him on the roster all season. But they may sign a veteran running back.
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