How many players away are we?
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Ok.....revised this slightly, using the PFF grades for all of them......and a little color to help my old eyes....hope this is helpful....
The numbers in parenthesis are where that players "score" ranked league wide......
QB- HoyerRB - WestRB - CrowellLT - Thomas(3)LG - Bitonio(5)C - MackRG - Greco(11)RT - Schwartz(30)WR - Hawkins(11)WR - Gabriel(17)WR - Austin (42)WR - BenjaminTE - BarnidgeTE - DrayDE - WinnNT - KitchenDE - D. BryantNOTE: Our entire D line graded in the negative. Not one bright spot there.....OLB - Kruger(14)ILB - Dansby(8)...not top 5, but close....was on track until injuredILB - Robertson(19)OLB - Mingo(15) - Sheard(16)CB - SkrineCB - HadenSS - WhitnerFS - Gipson....like Mack, Gipson was on track to be #1, before he got hurt....so, Im calling him elite too...Elite = Top 5 type of playerGood = Above average(plus score in the green)Averagebelow average = Below average(negative score in the red)
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Yeah I had a feeling I'd read that a few places. Got to remember the guys coming back from injury like Hughes and A. Bryant, who looked so good before injury last year.
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Ok.....revised this slightly, using the PFF grades for all of them......and a little color to help my old eyes....hope this is helpful....
The numbers in parenthesis are where that players "score" ranked league wide......
QB- HoyerRB - WestRB - CrowellLT - Thomas(3)LG - Bitonio(5)C - MackRG - Greco(11)RT - Schwartz(30)WR - Hawkins(11)WR - Gabriel(17)WR - Austin (42)WR - BenjaminTE - BarnidgeTE - DrayDE - WinnNT - KitchenDE - D. BryantNOTE: Our entire D line graded in the negative. Not one bright spot there.....OLB - Kruger(14)ILB - Dansby(8)...not top 5, but close....was on track until injuredILB - Robertson(19)OLB - Mingo(15) - Sheard(16)CB - SkrineCB - HadenSS - WhitnerFS - Gipson....like Mack, Gipson was on track to be #1, before he got hurt....so, Im calling him elite too...Elite = Top 5 type of playerGood = Above average(plus score in the green)Averagebelow average = Below average(negative score in the red)
Ok.....revised this slightly, using the PFF grades for all of them......and a little color to help my old eyes....hope this is helpful....
On behalf of all the colorblind folk in the world... Thanks a lot!
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How is it that the previous year with our dc we were nearly top 10, but this year with the same base defense, and same players our Dline is suddenly the worst on this team. Prior to the 2014 season, everyone had to think that the dline was our strength. I wonder if it has to do with our DC. Ray Horton 3-4 was top 10 for what 13 weeks, and top 12 for the season, but Jim O'Neal's 3-4 is horrible? Rubin, Taylor and Bryant were very good in 2013, and Hughes, and Wynn were solid rotational guys. Now our dline is terrible? I blame O'Neil.
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How is it that the previous year with our dc we were nearly top 10, but this year with the same base defense, and same players our Dline is suddenly the worst on this team. Prior to the 2014 season, everyone had to think that the dline was our strength. I wonder if it has to do with our DC. Ray Horton 3-4 was top 10 for what 13 weeks, and top 12 for the season, but Jim O'Neal's 3-4 is horrible? Rubin, Taylor and Bryant were very good in 2013, and Hughes, and Wynn were solid rotational guys. Now our dline is terrible? I blame O'Neil.
cbbacker said:
How is it that the previous year with our dc we were nearly top 10, but this year with the same base defense, and same players our Dline is suddenly the worst on this team. Prior to the 2014 season, everyone had to think that the dline was our strength. I wonder if it has to do with our DC. Ray Horton 3-4 was top 10 for what 13 weeks, and top 12 for the season, but Jim O'Neal's 3-4 is horrible? Rubin, Taylor and Bryant were very good in 2013, and Hughes, and Wynn were solid rotational guys. Now our dline is terrible? I blame O'Neil.
Horton's defense was also very bad in a number of key defense statistical categories. Just because we were giving up less YPG doesn't mean we had a good defense, it means our terrible offense gave the opponents the ball in great field position. We were ranked near the bottom of the league in average starting position for defense, if I recall correctly.
I had a whole post about this at year's end last year, about how Horton's defense wasn't nearly as good as was advertised.
Injuries also had something to do with it, as did designation changes.
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We are about thirty guys away.
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cbbacker said:
How is it that the previous year with our dc we were nearly top 10, but this year with the same base defense, and same players our Dline is suddenly the worst on this team. Prior to the 2014 season, everyone had to think that the dline was our strength. I wonder if it has to do with our DC. Ray Horton 3-4 was top 10 for what 13 weeks, and top 12 for the season, but Jim O'Neal's 3-4 is horrible? Rubin, Taylor and Bryant were very good in 2013, and Hughes, and Wynn were solid rotational guys. Now our dline is terrible? I blame O'Neil.
Horton's defense was also very bad in a number of key defense statistical categories. Just because we were giving up less YPG doesn't mean we had a good defense, it means our terrible offense gave the opponents the ball in great field position. We were ranked near the bottom of the league in average starting position for defense, if I recall correctly.
I had a whole post about this at year's end last year, about how Horton's defense wasn't nearly as good as was advertised.
Injuries also had something to do with it, as did designation changes.
Horton's defense was also very bad in a number of key defense statistical categories. Just because we were giving up less YPG doesn't mean we had a good defense, it means our terrible offense gave the opponents the ball in great field position. We were ranked near the bottom of the league in average starting position for defense, if I recall correctly.
I had a whole post about this at year's end last year, about how Horton's defense wasn't nearly as good as was advertised.
Injuries also had something to do with it, as did designation changes.
I have no doubt, but there is no denying that this years defense was far worse, that was my point. I don't care if we gave up less yards; I am just wondering how the same players, same base defense (yes I know their styles are different) but it's still the same base defense, and it is far worse than last year.
Even the injuries can be explained away. The Dline was supposed to be our deepest group of players. Just frustrates me to no end that a group of positions now likely needs addressed in FA or the draft after only a year when they were very good.
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I think if that's the criteria, it's probably a bit unfair. But yeah, Crowell/West makes a pretty good RB duo, Mack is a top center, and Haden is as good as anyone not named Sherman/Peterson. So...we're only 3 players away?
That's how I've seen it all year.
An ILB, a pass rushing OLB, and a QB away.
That's how I've seen it all year.
An ILB, a pass rushing OLB, and a QB away.
This sums it up perfectly although I might add a tall WR to the list. I'd kill for Dez or DT but I'm a tad bias as they hail from my two schools.
Some DL and OL depth would certainly help as well but that could be said for every NFL team.
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