Open Letter *from* Josh Gordon
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Ball Sack has been spewing garbage since he's been here. As bad as the Browns have been, the Bills have gone even longer without sniffing a playoff or meaningful game. So I can't blame him for trying to find some kind of self esteem somewhere.
A damaged loser who needs to pull others down to feel better.
Holy cow. Go back to Buffalo already. Manzier
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I agree.
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I'm going to use My Stepbrother as an example here.. And as much as it hurts.. Josh needs a change of scenery.. My Brother was a habitual crack user.. He moved to the Dallas/Ft Worth area to be near his youngest kids.. He changed his life around and is staying clean. As his Mother said to Me.. Ohio isn't a good place for your Brother.. Maybe Cleveland isn't a good place for Josh...
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
Well, with all of that awesome trade winning, I'm shocked the Bills kicked the living shit out of you guys this past season.
That offensive line? Kinda made Joe Thomas look like turnstile.
Good luck playing tomorrow. It's unbelievable that Watkins led you guys to the Super Bowl in his rookie year.
We'll just enjoy your first and fourth round picks this year.
By the way...your coach quit.
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
Umm, 2016.
It's a suspension, not a death sentence..
You believe that he is going to somehow get his together and not have another failed test? I do not. Has he even played an entire season? His next failed test is his last.
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
Umm, 2016.
It's a suspension, not a death sentence..
A suspension is when you are missing games, and after a set amount you can just return. Josh Gordon CANNOT return in 2016. He must apply to be re-instated. They use the term suspension very loosely here, he can be refused entry back into the league in 2016. That's not a suspension, and that isn't a guarantee he will be back in 2016. If he so much as gets a parking ticket, is photographed with Manziel this year, he could see his "suspension" as you put it added to by simply refusing his re-instatement.
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
Yo. Momma a boy living in the basement... Someone is ringing the bell at the convince store you work at, better get on it....
I love when I see a gay wannabe response like this from some douchebag trolling another teams board. I'll bet you're a doctor right? That's why you've got so much time on your hands to troll the board of a different, non related, non rival football team's fan forum.
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am i the only one that thinks george is a decent guy just trying to fit in?
hell we blasted all the JF fans worse than him and they were ten times the asshole that most of you think he is. need i say we kept a winner in texasAG? i see all the other ran for the hills.
i think of buffalo as a sister city of cleveland (i use sister as a female denomination like you would call a ship). blue collar, cold weather good hearted people who take it on the chin every winter and are still there to talk about it in july when the sun finally comes out.
both team's seasons ended in a bad place because of different reasons. i don't think he's gone overboard as some stooler fans that we tolerate as constant members here now do and have.
maybe he's just bored and needs a drink. i know i am and do.
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am i the only one that thinks george is a decent guy just trying to fit in?
hell we blasted all the JF fans worse than him and they were ten times the asshole that most of you think he is. need i say we kept a winner in texasAG? i see all the other ran for the hills.
i think of buffalo as a sister city of cleveland (i use sister as a female denomination like you would call a ship). blue collar, cold weather good hearted people who take it on the chin every winter and are still there to talk about it in july when the sun finally comes out.
both team's seasons ended in a bad place because of different reasons. i don't think he's gone overboard as some stooler fans that we tolerate as constant members here now do and have.
maybe he's just bored and needs a drink. i know i am and do.
am i the only one that thinks george is a decent guy just trying to fit in?
hell we blasted all the JF fans worse than him and they were ten times the asshole that most of you think he is. need i say we kept a winner in texasAG? i see all the other ran for the hills.
i think of buffalo as a sister city of cleveland (i use sister as a female denomination like you would call a ship). blue collar, cold weather good hearted people who take it on the chin every winter and are still there to talk about it in july when the sun finally comes out.
both team's seasons ended in a bad place because of different reasons. i don't think he's gone overboard as some stooler fans that we tolerate as constant members here now do and have.
maybe he's just bored and needs a drink. i know i am and do.
I am kind of new posting here so I won't say anything except some times it is good to get a viewpoint/perspective from outside Cleveland.
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
Care to trade Manziel and Gilbert for Watkins today?
manziel sure. gilbert, he's gonna be good.
watkins, evans and a couple other look like great wr prospects, but look at the lions and raiders. all they did for years is draft wr and it still didn't put them over the top.
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
Thanks Toxic, you are a decent person.
The insults, all of the disparaging remarks? I take with a grain of salt. Actually, its pretty damn entertaining.
Its like Howard Stern, I'm tuning in to see what some of you guys say next... Look through my posts, I never start the decent into shit talking.
I consider insults a sign of mental weakness and a general lack of intelligence. I don't live in that world, but again, I like watching Jerry Springer, and stupidity can be pretty damn entertaining.
I generally feel sorry for those stuck from their own limitations and take this shit so seriously.. It's just football,and we all want to party with a winner. I guess it's natural to be pissed off at me, and I get that, but I do know who has the smarts here, and there are a few who talk with some intelligence and can see past the clouds and drama....
Cysco, dude, dump the hate. You will be better off. You tossed the ball, I simply vollied it back.. WTF do you Expect? I mean really?
You are probably a decent guy that's a little misguided by a little home town emotion.
TCPO, picks do not always translate into a sure thing. Don't act like you "won" something with a draft pick.
Look at your past drafting record for the proof. What did you win last year with the 1st rounders, except a pile of headaches??? The year before, and before that? You parlayed one bust for another this past year..
The Bills have Watkins, and you have our pick. Care to trade Manziel and Gilbert for Watkins today?
May that pick help the Browns, may Sammy go on to be an all pro if we ever get a guy who can throw. And, may you realize that none of us have control over the team, but know that your actions and the way you treat people here are a reflection of YOUR character.. Proud?
calfoxwc,
The last thing I need is self esteem. Trust me on that one.
Look at the name Zombo gave me because he couldn't handle playing on a level playing field. Even Hoorta thinks that was a punk ass move. I think it reflects a lot more poorly on Zombo than me.
If I were in need of self esteem, I wouldn't be laughing from little thoughts out of your head...
My popcorn is out of the mic, so fire away...
We did win something. We won two extra draft picks. You won a WR. It remains to be seen who ultimately won but, in my book, getting the guy we wanted, plus another opportunity for a top talented player, plus another opportunity for a foundational player always trumps talking one single player.
We werent one player away from winning a Super Bowl. Obviously someone in the Bills organization felt that they were, and that's why the trade happened.
Our drafting history prior to last season have absolutely nothing to do with this because we had an entirely different staff, different FO, and different owner. That's like comparing two different teams.
You may enjoy talking shit, but the fact remains that the Bills draft was relative garbage. Outside of Watkins, you really only drafted two players who contributed in Brown and Henderson, and Henderson basically won the job by default. Kouandjio is seemingly a bust.
I'd take our draft over Buffalo's any day of the week and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of Buffalo who disagrees with that statement.
But...but...but...Johnny Manziel...
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Zombo said:
If you post in this thread again your next post will be in September ... I'm just telling you.
Zombo
Here's hoping you are a man of your word.
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
Insert "bottom line" and maybe the lights will go on.
It doesn't matter about his past. How he's been coddled, or how stunted his is.. He is your property, what are the Browns to do?
If you think you should cut him because he's immature and I'll equipped because of being stunted, by all means, cut him.
So, that leaves the Browns with whom at WR???
I'm telling you that there will be 31 teams waiting in line to claim him, and attempt to fix his problems because his upside is spectacular.
PS mo, I live two hours from Cleveland.
In a ghetto called buffalllllooooo.
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
Hey..fukwad, then you'd post also calls it Hoorta.
If you would have graduated high school, you would have been able to comprehend what we wrote. Until then, just watch and listen.
Go back inside your welfare trailer and watch a little more Springer. Maybe apply to Everest while you are at it...
meh... now if you added pissburgh then you would have fightin words George C
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I wish Gordon the best. Many here didn't seem to read at all what he said and just spewed the normal trash out of their mouths. I agree with what much of that letter said and I hope he's part of the team in the future.
As for the Bills guy, idk why so many here are do hostile. Actually, I guess I'm not surprised. Many here shut out anything not pro browns. Those a lot of times are the first to turn on our players
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am i the only one that thinks george is a decent guy just trying to fit in?
hell we blasted all the JF fans worse than him and they were ten times the asshole that most of you think he is. need i say we kept a winner in texasAG? i see all the other ran for the hills.
i think of buffalo as a sister city of cleveland (i use sister as a female denomination like you would call a ship). blue collar, cold weather good hearted people who take it on the chin every winter and are still there to talk about it in july when the sun finally comes out.
both team's seasons ended in a bad place because of different reasons. i don't think he's gone overboard as some stooler fans that we tolerate as constant members here now do and have.
maybe he's just bored and needs a drink. i know i am and do.
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
Thanks Toxic, you are a decent person.
The insults, all of the disparaging remarks? I take with a grain of salt. Actually, its pretty damn entertaining.
Its like Howard Stern, I'm tuning in to see what some of you guys say next... Look through my posts, I never start the decent into shit talking.
I consider insults a sign of mental weakness and a general lack of intelligence. I don't live in that world, but again, I like watching Jerry Springer, and stupidity can be pretty damn entertaining.
I generally feel sorry for those stuck from their own limitations and take this shit so seriously.. It's just football,and we all want to party with a winner. I guess it's natural to be pissed off at me, and I get that, but I do know who has the smarts here, and there are a few who talk with some intelligence and can see past the clouds and drama....
Cysco, dude, dump the hate. You will be better off. You tossed the ball, I simply vollied it back.. WTF do you Expect? I mean really?
You are probably a decent guy that's a little misguided by a little home town emotion.
TCPO, picks do not always translate into a sure thing. Don't act like you "won" something with a draft pick.
Look at your past drafting record for the proof. What did you win last year with the 1st rounders, except a pile of headaches??? The year before, and before that? You parlayed one bust for another this past year..
The Bills have Watkins, and you have our pick. Care to trade Manziel and Gilbert for Watkins today?
May that pick help the Browns, may Sammy go on to be an all pro if we ever get a guy who can throw. And, may you realize that none of us have control over the team, but know that your actions and the way you treat people here are a reflection of YOUR character.. Proud?
calfoxwc,
The last thing I need is self esteem. Trust me on that one.
Look at the name Zombo gave me because he couldn't handle playing on a level playing field. Even Hoorta thinks that was a punk ass move. I think it reflects a lot more poorly on Zombo than me.
If I were in need of self esteem, I wouldn't be laughing from little thoughts out of your head...
My popcorn is out of the mic, so fire away...
We did win something. We won two extra draft picks. You won a WR. It remains to be seen who ultimately won but, in my book, getting the guy we wanted, plus another opportunity for a top talented player, plus another opportunity for a foundational player always trumps talking one single player.
We werent one player away from winning a Super Bowl. Obviously someone in the Bills organization felt that they were, and that's why the trade happened.
Our drafting history prior to last season have absolutely nothing to do with this because we had an entirely different staff, different FO, and different owner. That's like comparing two different teams.
You may enjoy talking shit, but the fact remains that the Bills draft was relative garbage. Outside of Watkins, you really only drafted two players who contributed in Brown and Henderson, and Henderson basically won the job by default. Kouandjio is seemingly a bust.
I'd take our draft over Buffalo's any day of the week and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of Buffalo who disagrees with that statement.
But...but...but...Johnny Manziel...
We did win something. We won two extra draft picks. You won a WR. It remains to be seen who ultimately won but, in my book, getting the guy we wanted, plus another opportunity for a top talented player, plus another opportunity for a foundational player always trumps talking one single player.
We werent one player away from winning a Super Bowl. Obviously someone in the Bills organization felt that they were, and that's why the trade happened.
Our drafting history prior to last season have absolutely nothing to do with this because we had an entirely different staff, different FO, and different owner. That's like comparing two different teams.
You may enjoy talking shit, but the fact remains that the Bills draft was relative garbage. Outside of Watkins, you really only drafted two players who contributed in Brown and Henderson, and Henderson basically won the job by default. Kouandjio is seemingly a bust.
I'd take our draft over Buffalo's any day of the week and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of Buffalo who disagrees with that statement.
But...but...but...Johnny Manziel...
I might be mistaken, but we only received one pick from Buffalo. We swapped our picks last year, which isn't really getting one, because we lost one also, and we got there 2015 pick. I believe that means we only got 1 pick from them. Right now I have to disagree, that no.19 pick we aquired cost us Watkins. Right now you have to see that we lost that trade currently. Basically we got Gilbert and a player yet to be named for Watkins who was great this year. Still have time though.
I would say we still had a better draft, Bitonio, and West are very good, and we still have a couple years for Gilbert, and Johnny. We even added Crowell, and a couple other undrafted guys who had a decent year for us.
But sorry currently we are losing the trade with Buffalo only
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We did win something. We won two extra draft picks. You won a WR. It remains to be seen who ultimately won but, in my book, getting the guy we wanted, plus another opportunity for a top talented player, plus another opportunity for a foundational player always trumps talking one single player.
We werent one player away from winning a Super Bowl. Obviously someone in the Bills organization felt that they were, and that's why the trade happened.
Our drafting history prior to last season have absolutely nothing to do with this because we had an entirely different staff, different FO, and different owner. That's like comparing two different teams.
You may enjoy talking shit, but the fact remains that the Bills draft was relative garbage. Outside of Watkins, you really only drafted two players who contributed in Brown and Henderson, and Henderson basically won the job by default. Kouandjio is seemingly a bust.
I'd take our draft over Buffalo's any day of the week and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of Buffalo who disagrees with that statement.
But...but...but...Johnny Manziel...
I might be mistaken, but we only received one pick from Buffalo. We swapped our picks last year, which isn't really getting one, because we lost one also, and we got there 2015 pick. I believe that means we only got 1 pick from them. Right now I have to disagree, that no.19 pick we aquired cost us Watkins. Right now you have to see that we lost that trade currently. Basically we got Gilbert and a player yet to be named for Watkins who was great this year. Still have time though.
I would say we still had a better draft, Bitonio, and West are very good, and we still have a couple years for Gilbert, and Johnny. We even added Crowell, and a couple other undrafted guys who had a decent year for us.
But sorry currently we are losing the trade with Buffalo only
We received a 2015 first and a 2015 fourth. And then we got Gilbert. That's two future players and one current player for one sub-1000 yard receiver.cbbacker said:
I might be mistaken, but we only received one pick from Buffalo. We swapped our picks last year, which isn't really getting one, because we lost one also, and we got there 2015 pick. I believe that means we only got 1 pick from them. Right now I have to disagree, that no.19 pick we aquired cost us Watkins. Right now you have to see that we lost that trade currently. Basically we got Gilbert and a player yet to be named for Watkins who was great this year. Still have time though.
I would say we still had a better draft, Bitonio, and West are very good, and we still have a couple years for Gilbert, and Johnny. We even added Crowell, and a couple other undrafted guys who had a decent year for us.
But sorry currently we are losing the trade with Buffalo only
Regardless of how "great" Watkins was, the Bills didn't make the playoffs. Even if Gilbert is only passable, we still won that trade.
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
TCPO/Mohican, the Browns drafted him. If you had a better system of vetting players, maybe you would have picked someone else. Don't take this the wrong way, the Bills are no better. The fact remains that he is your pick. It's easy to dump him, and then you have nothing.. Work it out...
There's very little that "vetting" can do to correctly predict future decisions or behaviors.
Each prospect is subjected to a psychological evaluation along with their physical evaluation. Each prospect background is checked. Each prospect has a dossier that details exactly who they are, where they came from, what they do, why they do it, and what they'll likely do in the future. But it's not perfect science. If it were, we wouldn't have draft busts.
The fact remains that he is an investment, and some investments don't pay off. Holding onto a player that could be detrimental to the future success of your team just because you invested in him isn't always the smartest move. In fact, it's almost never the smartest move.
If we let Gordon go and he goes off to become an eventual superstar, that's great for him. That doesn't mean he would have done it here. That's what people don't realize. It's not "oh, stupid Cleveland...releasing a HOFer because of a little pot." It could be that releasing him is what makes him a superstar. It could be that getting in with a different team, a different locker room, is what causes him to make changes. When you make a choice, there's no way of knowing what the opposite choice could have yielded.
Obviously, there are bad influences in the Cleveland Browns locker room. Personally, I wonder if Johnny is at the root of this year's troubles with both Gordon and Gilbert. It's obviously not fair to blame someone for another person's antics, but knowing that Gordon and Manziel are buddies in their down-time, it's not that hard to image that Gordon is being put in situations he may not have been put in with other teammates this year. Having one player with known decision issues and another with known motivation issues is already a risk. Dropping a polarizing party boy who's known for his extracurricular activities into the middle of that seems like a recipe for disaster.
I'll go on record as saying I think releasing Manziel could very well be what helps Gordon and Gilbert get back on track. Build a locker room of strong, professional players with great work ethic that all buy into the system, then you can start to take a risk and drop a few talented "bad seeds" in there one at a time. Just like New England used to do. That bad seed is either going to assimilate and rise to the level of his peers or the locker room will reject him and he'll flame out. Either way, you're not compromising your team's integrity. When you start trying to add questionable character players en masse, that's when things get hairy.
Drop a droplet of blood in a cup of water, it quickly disappears. Squirt a bunch of blood in that same cup of water, it starts to tint the water.
Damn good post
There's very little that "vetting" can do to correctly predict future decisions or behaviors.
Each prospect is subjected to a psychological evaluation along with their physical evaluation. Each prospect background is checked. Each prospect has a dossier that details exactly who they are, where they came from, what they do, why they do it, and what they'll likely do in the future. But it's not perfect science. If it were, we wouldn't have draft busts.
The fact remains that he is an investment, and some investments don't pay off. Holding onto a player that could be detrimental to the future success of your team just because you invested in him isn't always the smartest move. In fact, it's almost never the smartest move.
If we let Gordon go and he goes off to become an eventual superstar, that's great for him. That doesn't mean he would have done it here. That's what people don't realize. It's not "oh, stupid Cleveland...releasing a HOFer because of a little pot." It could be that releasing him is what makes him a superstar. It could be that getting in with a different team, a different locker room, is what causes him to make changes. When you make a choice, there's no way of knowing what the opposite choice could have yielded.
Obviously, there are bad influences in the Cleveland Browns locker room. Personally, I wonder if Johnny is at the root of this year's troubles with both Gordon and Gilbert. It's obviously not fair to blame someone for another person's antics, but knowing that Gordon and Manziel are buddies in their down-time, it's not that hard to image that Gordon is being put in situations he may not have been put in with other teammates this year. Having one player with known decision issues and another with known motivation issues is already a risk. Dropping a polarizing party boy who's known for his extracurricular activities into the middle of that seems like a recipe for disaster.
I'll go on record as saying I think releasing Manziel could very well be what helps Gordon and Gilbert get back on track. Build a locker room of strong, professional players with great work ethic that all buy into the system, then you can start to take a risk and drop a few talented "bad seeds" in there one at a time. Just like New England used to do. That bad seed is either going to assimilate and rise to the level of his peers or the locker room will reject him and he'll flame out. Either way, you're not compromising your team's integrity. When you start trying to add questionable character players en masse, that's when things get hairy.
Drop a droplet of blood in a cup of water, it quickly disappears. Squirt a bunch of blood in that same cup of water, it starts to tint the water.
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We received a 2015 first and a 2015 fourth. And then we got Gilbert. That's two future players and one current player for one sub-1000 yard receiver.cbbacker said:
I might be mistaken, but we only received one pick from Buffalo. We swapped our picks last year, which isn't really getting one, because we lost one also, and we got there 2015 pick. I believe that means we only got 1 pick from them. Right now I have to disagree, that no.19 pick we aquired cost us Watkins. Right now you have to see that we lost that trade currently. Basically we got Gilbert and a player yet to be named for Watkins who was great this year. Still have time though.
I would say we still had a better draft, Bitonio, and West are very good, and we still have a couple years for Gilbert, and Johnny. We even added Crowell, and a couple other undrafted guys who had a decent year for us.
But sorry currently we are losing the trade with Buffalo only
Regardless of how "great" Watkins was, the Bills didn't make the playoffs. Even if Gilbert is only passable, we still won that trade.
We received a 2015 first and a 2015 fourth. And then we got Gilbert. That's two future players and one current player for one sub-1000 yard receiver.
Regardless of how "great" Watkins was, the Bills didn't make the playoffs. Even if Gilbert is only passable, we still won that trade.
Sorry bud, not going to argue with you, we didn't get the pick for Gilbert. We swapped picks, If i give you a dollar, and you give me a dollar, and i agree to give you a dolloar next year, and 40Cents next year, how many dollars do you have? did you get 2 dollars in the first year? Nope. you will have $1.40 the following year, which is 2 items. You seem to forget we gave out 1 pick. It's not addition by subtraction. I didn't know we got the 4th round, that's fine, but sorry we didn't "get" that pick, we already had a pick #4. We gave up 1, for another, and we added a 2015 1, and 4.
And I won't even bother arguing about whether Gilbert, or Watkins was better, we both know the answer. The fact that Watkins is light years ahead of Gilbert, show you really don't know value, or talent. Maybe we can add a good guy at #19 with the pick we added, but that remains to be seen.
As I said currently they are winning the trade. They got Watkins, we got a #19 pick. Would you trade the #4 pick this year for the #19 and a 4? My bet is no. Meaning they won the trade currently.
When it comes to draft picks, it isn't quantity, it's quality. Adding 2 players for their 1 doesn't mean anything yet. BTW we didn't make the playoffs either, so I don't know what that comment is supposed to mean. Going to bold the key word, it's very possible we win this trade, but we are NOT winning it currently.
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