Dysfunction
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OH so everything that's happened since lose at cinncy is just typical football team problems. Can't stick "only in Cleveland" tag?
The "only in Cleveland" mindset is a cop-out. There's no "curse". We're not doomed because of some bullshit. It's like when people are down on their luck and they blame God, or the universe or anything else.
Blaming serves no purpose. Breaking down why you fucked up and addressing each individual aspect is the only way to prevent shit like this from happening again.
Everything that happened since Cinci is typical football team problems. The Browns are one of three teams that are part of a "-gate" this season...not the only ones. As for Manziel and Gordon, that's what happens when you take risks. Sometimes they blow up in your face. The Ravens had to release two players this season because of off-the-field issues. The Vikings were without their star RB. Every one of Arizona's quarterbacks was hurt at some point this season. Jacksonville was forced to start their rookie quarterback because of poor play from their veteran starter. The Bills had their head coach quit on them. The Falcons lost three starting offensive linemen in one game.
All of these things happen to teams around the league all of the time. Winning franchises diagnose and fix. Losing teams crumble and restart.
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Isn't the guy who wrote this, a friend of Lombardi?
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And now Jordan Cameron wants out...
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Can an organization that's been in the dumps really be destroyed? It was already a mess, its just more sensationalized now.
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Basically spot on with all the problems I have been trying to get across this forum... Sadly that information I have tried to share in the past was met by trolling dirtbags. Now everything g is out there so you can't troll me b.c everyone is saying g what I have been saying.
Nobody cares what you have been trying to get across....or have tried to share. You have a total of 5 posts on this forum. Come back when you have over 20,000. Then maybe we will listen to you.
Nobody cares what you have been trying to get across....or have tried to share. You have a total of 5 posts on this forum. Come back when you have over 20,000. Then maybe we will listen to you.
Good to know I only have around 9800 more posts until people start to listen to what I have to say.
I do agree the guy sounds like a dick.
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This is the Browns and what I have always found peculiar is the amount of fans who think as the calendar turns the next season will be better. I guess I understand the hope but the blind allegiance to a franchise that continually fucks the pooch is odd. While I don't think it's time to blow it up I do think we are looking at mediocrity at best next season and a 4-12 typical debacle as a reality.
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The media feeds on this kind of story and then you have people believing almost like a self fulfilling prophecy any bad thing that happens in Cleveland is proof positive the club is destined to stay in the cellar.
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The media feeds on this kind of story and then you have people believing almost like a self fulfilling prophecy any bad thing that happens in Cleveland is proof positive the club is destined to stay in the cellar.
The media feeds on this kind of story and then you have people believing almost like a self fulfilling prophecy any bad thing that happens in Cleveland is proof positive the club is destined to stay in the cellar.
Things haven't looked good in a long time. No one really wants to come here and you can't blame them. The media has portrayed the FO as a dumpster fire. The team is a perennial loser. And we have an alcoholic, dug addicted, slacker diva as a qb.
God I love this team.
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This is the first time I have ever invaded an enemies team message board cause I think it is ignorant of another fan posting on someone else's message board, but what is going on with your Browns is a slap in the face to ALL NFL fans.
As a Bills fan, I feel the pain of Browns fans as you folks don't deserve 1/8 of what is going on in Cleveland.
The worst part is that there is nothing you can do about a bad owner (don't I know about bad owners in Wilson).
The biggest question is............
Can the Browns get out of this mess?
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Even with the second half season collapse the team exceeded expectations this year. The team showed in the Ravens game they haven't quit on Pettine (even with all the drama of Manziel, Gordon and Gilbert) and Pettine is building a team here. This was his first year. Give him a little time.
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This is the first time I have ever invaded an enemies team message board cause I think it is ignorant of another fan posting on someone else's message board, but what is going on with your Browns is a slap in the face to ALL NFL fans.
As a Bills fan, I feel the pain of Browns fans as you folks don't deserve 1/8 of what is going on in Cleveland.
The worst part is that there is nothing you can do about a bad owner (don't I know about bad owners in Wilson).
The biggest question is............
Can the Browns get out of this mess?
This is the first time I have ever invaded an enemies team message board cause I think it is ignorant of another fan posting on someone else's message board, but what is going on with your Browns is a slap in the face to ALL NFL fans.
As a Bills fan, I feel the pain of Browns fans as you folks don't deserve 1/8 of what is going on in Cleveland.
The worst part is that there is nothing you can do about a bad owner (don't I know about bad owners in Wilson).
The biggest question is............
Can the Browns get out of this mess?
What mess Bitch?
We went from 4-12 to 7-9.
We have tons of cap space, tons of draft picks, 4 All-Pros ... we just need a QB ... same mess you got.
Farmer sends a text and it is a "mess"?
I would have texted that pussy Shanihan too and told him to get a set.
Zombo
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Basically spot on with all the problems I have been trying to get across this forum... Sadly that information I have tried to share in the past was met by trolling dirtbags. Now everything g is out there so you can't troll me b.c everyone is saying g what I have been saying.
All the problems you have been trying to get across to the forum?
You have 5 posts.
You share an IP with Purple Panty Waste, a Ravens fan.
And your e-mail address is I luv my Billz
Bills fan, Ravens fan, Browns troll?
Give me a good answer so I can decide between giving you a new name or just banning you.
Zombo
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This is the first time I have ever invaded an enemies team message board cause I think it is ignorant of another fan posting on someone else's message board, but what is going on with your Browns is a slap in the face to ALL NFL fans.
As a Bills fan, I feel the pain of Browns fans as you folks don't deserve 1/8 of what is going on in Cleveland.
The worst part is that there is nothing you can do about a bad owner (don't I know about bad owners in Wilson).
The biggest question is............
Can the Browns get out of this mess?
What mess Bitch?
We went from 4-12 to 7-9.
We have tons of cap space, tons of draft picks, 4 All-Pros ... we just need a QB ... same mess you got.
Farmer sends a text and it is a "mess"?
I would have texted that pussy Shanihan too and told him to get a set.
Zombo
Zombo said:
What mess Bitch?
We went from 4-12 to 7-9.
We have tons of cap space, tons of draft picks, 4 All-Pros ... we just need a QB ... same mess you got.
Farmer sends a text and it is a "mess"?
I would have texted that pussy Shanihan too and told him to get a set.
Zombo
I guess you are a glass half full type of guy.
Bitch?????
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Zombo said:
What mess Bitch?
We went from 4-12 to 7-9.
We have tons of cap space, tons of draft picks, 4 All-Pros ... we just need a QB ... same mess you got.
Farmer sends a text and it is a "mess"?
I would have texted that pussy Shanihan too and told him to get a set.
Zombo
I guess you are a glass half full type of guy.
Bitch?????
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Mess or not, things have spiraled downwards for the last couple of months. I'm not saying a nose dive but we've got to stop losing altitude or 2-4 wins (again) and a new regime (again) will be the on the horizon. I had high hopes for this team of Farmer / Petine (and still do) but somewhere along the line, their values are getting lost. I actually blame Haslam because I don't respect his values as a businessman and believe he picked Manziel which started the entire mess in the first place.
The Browns need a real culture leader - and I'm not seeing one. Farmer may not survive this "text-gate" and I think we need someone who really knows what he's doing. I didn't like his comments about Gordon - either cut him or support him, but don't throw a match while he's knee deep in gasoline - especially knowing that this story about texting will soon be released.
We need a "money ball" type of GM. One who wants to change things and will cut players and throw chairs through locker rooms to make sure it happens.
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Culture... easily tossed around word. Bud Shaw just did it today. I think he missed the mark by and large.
Cleveland Browns' GM Ray Farmer's prized "culture" needs some serious work -- Bud Shaw
Of course the culture needs some serious work. It has yet to take root. It has yet to be fully developed, let alone engrained.
Culture is not a dictate... is not an instantaneous occurrence... is not a Big Bang phenomenon. It's a process. It's Pet giving game day time to players who practiced "like a Brown" and going as far as deactivating ones who did not... even if they were first rounders. And, as I tossed out above, it's Farmer cutting a malcontent at mid-season. These are positive culture shaping moves.
Shaw's point on Manziel has some merit. If our hierarchy believed they could reign in a flawed player without the support of an established culture they envisioned, or worse yet did not even consider the readiness of the culture, then that is on them. But that is not evidence of the "culture" needing work. It is evidence of those at the top overestimating their impact.
Culture change is a process and a hard one at that. And the job of establishing a culture is never done... ever... let alone in one year.
What Bud chose to ignore was the locker room showing signs of helping to shoulder the burden of making the change. It came late. It came at season's end. But it came. And that's a good sign.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Basically spot on with all the problems I have been trying to get across this forum... Sadly that information I have tried to share in the past was met by trolling dirtbags. Now everything g is out there so you can't troll me b.c everyone is saying g what I have been saying.
Nobody cares what you have been trying to get across....or have tried to share. You have a total of 5 posts on this forum. Come back when you have over 20,000. Then maybe we will listen to you.
Nobody cares what you have been trying to get across....or have tried to share. You have a total of 5 posts on this forum. Come back when you have over 20,000. Then maybe we will listen to you.
That just some arbitrary number you came up with. I bet you don't even......................oh wait. Nevermind. LOL!
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All over the league teams have problems but in Cleveland their problems get put under a magnifying glass and blown out of proportion. For all the bomb throwing the Browns did better than expected this season. Much of my confidence in this club is in Pettine. They finally got it right in hiring a head coach. The team has problems but I want to see how they work out these problems before judging them. Some of the problems are of their own making. They drafted Johnny Manziel with all the red flags. They swung for the fence with JM and struck out. Now Farmer may have been caught texting plays to Shannahan. If true it was a dumb thing to do and we may have found a new way to throw away a draft pick. Bottom line though for me I want to give them 2- 3 years to see if they can work through this.
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