What receiver do we go after in draft/FA?
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Although I think a few buckeyes are going to be good pros from this draft, a TE I wouldn't mind seeing drafted in Jeff Heuerman. He's one of those guys that does everything well (including blocking) and has the size you're looking for. He's more than likely gonna be there in the 4th or 5th round too.
I am totally there on Heuerman. Good size and hands and faster than you'd think. I would not be surprised if he pumps up his value at the combine.
I never did get the story on why his PT was reduced this past season.
However we already have two good slot men in Hawk and Gabriel.
True, but setting up a 3-man slot rotation doesn't hurt. Assuming the Single-back is still featured (and IMO it should be) then both its 2TE/2WR and TE/3WR sets use up slots two at a time.
I am totally there on Heuerman. Good size and hands and faster than you'd think. I would not be surprised if he pumps up his value at the combine.
I never did get the story on why his PT was reduced this past season.
True, but setting up a 3-man slot rotation doesn't hurt. Assuming the Single-back is still featured (and IMO it should be) then both its 2TE/2WR and TE/3WR sets use up slots two at a time.
In regards to Heuerman, it doesn't help that Tom Herman forgets the TE is an eligible receiver.
I hope to god this team uses 21 personnel until they're sick of it. We don't have a fullback on roster worth his salt and both our young backs appear more comfortable without having a true lead in front of them. If that means bringing in another slot fringe 2 WR named Sanzenbachhhhhaaaaaa! along then I'd be happy to have him home.
edit: I'm watching the Iowa/Pittsburgh game from this recent season. Mark me down for wanting Carl Davis if we decide to go in a direction different than Shelton.
The interior Hawkeye Dline hardly moves backward an inch with him in there. Constantly doubled teamed and his reports from the Senior Bowl were glowing.
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I am totally there on Heuerman. Good size and hands and faster than you'd think. I would not be surprised if he pumps up his value at the combine.
I never did get the story on why his PT was reduced this past season.
True, but setting up a 3-man slot rotation doesn't hurt. Assuming the Single-back is still featured (and IMO it should be) then both its 2TE/2WR and TE/3WR sets use up slots two at a time.
In regards to Heuerman, it doesn't help that Tom Herman forgets the TE is an eligible receiver.
I hope to god this team uses 21 personnel until they're sick of it. We don't have a fullback on roster worth his salt and both our young backs appear more comfortable without having a true lead in front of them. If that means bringing in another slot fringe 2 WR named Sanzenbachhhhhaaaaaa! along then I'd be happy to have him home.
edit: I'm watching the Iowa/Pittsburgh game from this recent season. Mark me down for wanting Carl Davis if we decide to go in a direction different than Shelton.
The interior Hawkeye Dline hardly moves backward an inch with him in there. Constantly doubled teamed and his reports from the Senior Bowl were glowing.
In regards to Heuerman, it doesn't help that Tom Herman forgets the TE is an eligible receiver.
I hope to god this team uses 21 personnel until they're sick of it. We don't have a fullback on roster worth his salt and both our young backs appear more comfortable without having a true lead in front of them. If that means bringing in another slot fringe 2 WR named Sanzenbachhhhhaaaaaa! along then I'd be happy to have him home.
edit: I'm watching the Iowa/Pittsburgh game from this recent season. Mark me down for wanting Carl Davis if we decide to go in a direction different than Shelton.
The interior Hawkeye Dline hardly moves backward an inch with him in there. Constantly doubled teamed and his reports from the Senior Bowl were glowing.
Yeah, while I can't complain about what Herman brought the Bucks a TE in that offense became a non-factor. He's a really solid blocker though so Tour I'm with ya if he shows some wheels and good hands at the combine he'll rise for sure.
I've been hearing some great things about Carl Davis too. I don't care where it comes from but we need to add some nasty to the interior D-Line early.
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I've already voiced concern over having a $80 Maclin on a team with Johnny Manziel at the helm but I don't get the Cecil Shorts III idea. If he was any good why would Jacksonville let him walk? Looking to get Allen Hurns and Marquise Lee more reps? Shorts is another undersized guy who the lowly Jags don't want?
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I've already voiced concern over having a $80 Maclin on a team with Johnny Manziel at the helm but I don't get the Cecil Shorts III idea. If he was any good why would Jacksonville let him walk? Looking to get Allen Hurns and Marquise Lee more reps? Shorts is another undersized guy who the lowly Jags don't want?
I've already voiced concern over having a $80 Maclin on a team with Johnny Manziel at the helm but I don't get the Cecil Shorts III idea. If he was any good why would Jacksonville let him walk? Looking to get Allen Hurns and Marquise Lee more reps? Shorts is another undersized guy who the lowly Jags don't want?
I'll take Maclin for $80.
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I've already voiced concern over having a $80 Maclin on a team with Johnny Manziel at the helm but I don't get the Cecil Shorts III idea. If he was any good why would Jacksonville let him walk? Looking to get Allen Hurns and Marquise Lee more reps? Shorts is another undersized guy who the lowly Jags don't want?
I've already voiced concern over having a $80 Maclin on a team with Johnny Manziel at the helm but I don't get the Cecil Shorts III idea. If he was any good why would Jacksonville let him walk? Looking to get Allen Hurns and Marquise Lee more reps? Shorts is another undersized guy who the lowly Jags don't want?
Same reason why receivers go elsewhere and seem to contribute, teams think they have something better, younger and cheaper. Cecil does have some injury issue, but when healthy is a solid receiver that would provide an upgrade in this offense.
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I've already voiced concern over having a $80 Maclin on a team with Johnny Manziel at the helm but I don't get the Cecil Shorts III idea. If he was any good why would Jacksonville let him walk? Looking to get Allen Hurns and Marquise Lee more reps? Shorts is another undersized guy who the lowly Jags don't want?
Same reason why receivers go elsewhere and seem to contribute, teams think they have something better, younger and cheaper. Cecil does have some injury issue, but when healthy is a solid receiver that would provide an upgrade in this offense.
Same reason why receivers go elsewhere and seem to contribute, teams think they have something better, younger and cheaper. Cecil does have some injury issue, but when healthy is a solid receiver that would provide an upgrade in this offense.
I'm a broken record but a "solid" receiver who will cost a decent amount in free agency. Since I'm always singing the money tune I'll tell you why, even if unsolicited. I think this team is a DE, DT and ILB away from being really good defensively, especially if they lock up Skrine, and you can find some real talent in FA. I really don't see this offense is close to being anything other than disappointing/mediocre. It they can add another solid OL and maybe find a "Hoyer" type QB they might be able to run the ball and dink and dunk enough to keep the team in the game.
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Not at all. Unfortunately if they don't significantly upgrade the QB position, which I don't think they will, it makes no sense signing a FA WR to a large contract where you could use that cap money elsewhere. I don't see Jeremy Maclin or Demarius Thomas at $80 million really putting the Browns in playoff contention.
But you feel it wise to bring in another WR with drug and personality issues?
It is a shame is career was derailed by knee injuries.
I wasn't aware Braylon caught the ball with his knees?
But you feel it wise to bring in another WR with drug and personality issues?
I wasn't aware Braylon caught the ball with his knees?
Always the chance he has learned the lessons Gordon hasn't yet. He is a big elite player. I just don't know if he will ever reach his potential if he continues being a knucklehead.
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Same reason why receivers go elsewhere and seem to contribute, teams think they have something better, younger and cheaper. Cecil does have some injury issue, but when healthy is a solid receiver that would provide an upgrade in this offense.
I'm a broken record but a "solid" receiver who will cost a decent amount in free agency. Since I'm always singing the money tune I'll tell you why, even if unsolicited. I think this team is a DE, DT and ILB away from being really good defensively, especially if they lock up Skrine, and you can find some real talent in FA. I really don't see this offense is close to being anything other than disappointing/mediocre. It they can add another solid OL and maybe find a "Hoyer" type QB they might be able to run the ball and dink and dunk enough to keep the team in the game.
I'm a broken record but a "solid" receiver who will cost a decent amount in free agency. Since I'm always singing the money tune I'll tell you why, even if unsolicited. I think this team is a DE, DT and ILB away from being really good defensively, especially if they lock up Skrine, and you can find some real talent in FA. I really don't see this offense is close to being anything other than disappointing/mediocre. It they can add another solid OL and maybe find a "Hoyer" type QB they might be able to run the ball and dink and dunk enough to keep the team in the game.
I am sure people will hang me for this, but I would like to see us go for Suh, throw lot's of cash at him, and then draft bpa for whats available QB,T,WR,LB.
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I am totally there on Heuerman. Good size and hands and faster than you'd think. I would not be surprised if he pumps up his value at the combine.
I never did get the story on why his PT was reduced this past season.
True, but setting up a 3-man slot rotation doesn't hurt. Assuming the Single-back is still featured (and IMO it should be) then both its 2TE/2WR and TE/3WR sets use up slots two at a time.
In regards to Heuerman, it doesn't help that Tom Herman forgets the TE is an eligible receiver.
I hope to god this team uses 21 personnel until they're sick of it. We don't have a fullback on roster worth his salt and both our young backs appear more comfortable without having a true lead in front of them. If that means bringing in another slot fringe 2 WR named Sanzenbachhhhhaaaaaa! along then I'd be happy to have him home.
edit: I'm watching the Iowa/Pittsburgh game from this recent season. Mark me down for wanting Carl Davis if we decide to go in a direction different than Shelton.
The interior Hawkeye Dline hardly moves backward an inch with him in there. Constantly doubled teamed and his reports from the Senior Bowl were glowing.
I don't see Suh money for a DT in general, but definitely not given the timing.
If a great DT FA was the final piece, THE final piece in a major Super Bowl push, then sure. But that's not the case here and now...
edit: I'm watching the Iowa/Pittsburgh game from this recent season. Mark me down for wanting Carl Davis if we decide to go in a direction different than Shelton.
The interior Hawkeye Dline hardly moves backward an inch with him in there. Constantly doubled teamed and his reports from the Senior Bowl were glowing.
Any thought on Scherff? I dismissed him based on his Indiana and Maryland games. Do I need to look at more tape?
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I don't see Suh money for a DT in general, but definitely not given the timing.
If a great DT FA was the final piece, THE final piece in a major Super Bowl push, then sure. But that's not the case here and now...
edit: I'm watching the Iowa/Pittsburgh game from this recent season. Mark me down for wanting Carl Davis if we decide to go in a direction different than Shelton.
The interior Hawkeye Dline hardly moves backward an inch with him in there. Constantly doubled teamed and his reports from the Senior Bowl were glowing.
Any thought on Scherff? I dismissed him based on his Indiana and Maryland games. Do I need to look at more tape?
I don't see Suh money for a DT in general, but definitely not given the timing.
If a great DT FA was the final piece, THE final piece in a major Super Bowl push, then sure. But that's not the case here and now...
Any thought on Scherff? I dismissed him based on his Indiana and Maryland games. Do I need to look at more tape?
Honestly, I had a totally forgotten about Schreff as for the most part I had fast forwarded to Iowa on defense.
As for the glimpse of the Iowa offense I saw... I have zero idea about him in pass pro. It seems like the Hawkeyes were always in 22 sets and running the ball. Nothing jumped off tape to me, I wasn't watching him intently - but when you're focusing on one player, 1st round talent jumps off the screen from time to time.
Admittedly that's your side of the ball and I defer to your judgement. I'm going to toss on their bowl game and come back with some thoughts.
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I watched a good portion of the game against Tennessee. In regads to Schreff (referred to here-after as 'He') was lined up across from that awesome freshman the Vols have. Things I noticed -
1) His consistency is poor. There are times when he'll drive his man back, and other times he fires out of his stance too high to run block and gets out leveraged. Actually it probably happened more times than not.
2) His lateral quickness is average to below average. However when called upon to just chip the DE and get to the linebackers on a read, he'll get there in a hurry. Great straight line speed, but AFAIK, that's not what makes a quality NFL tackle.
3) Balance is an issue. I saw him get setup several times with a fake move to the inside, he'd then over-commit, and stumble backwards trying to recover to his outside shoulder. Again, he doesn't move his body well laterally.
4) Power. Sure, he's great at knocking around linebackers, but he doesn't seem to blow anyone off the ball. I suspect it may have something to do with frequently being out leveraged.
I could see him slide inside to guard and be successful if he learned to keep his hands up, stop bending at the waist and continue to develop leverage techniques. (This is why I love lineman that are former wrestlers) As a tackle at the NFL level, I have a strong feeling he'll be routinely exposed by any quality pass rusher that can give him a decent rip move.
edit: Let me clarify that offense is not my side of the ball. I've literally played defense my entire life outside of option back and some work as a slot receiver in midgets and highschool. So if you, Tour, or anyone disagrees with my assessment I have no issue admitting I might be wrong. Most of the extent of my knowledge on Olineman just come from reading defensive keys, that's about it.
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I wouldn't be against signing Terrence Knighton or Dan Williams both are solid Interior DLine guys
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I watched a good portion of the game against Tennessee. In regads to Schreff (referred to here-after as 'He') was lined up across from that awesome freshman the Vols have. Things I noticed -
1) His consistency is poor. There are times when he'll drive his man back, and other times he fires out of his stance too high to run block and gets out leveraged. Actually it probably happened more times than not.
2) His lateral quickness is average to below average. However when called upon to just chip the DE and get to the linebackers on a read, he'll get there in a hurry. Great straight line speed, but AFAIK, that's not what makes a quality NFL tackle.
3) Balance is an issue. I saw him get setup several times with a fake move to the inside, he'd then over-commit, and stumble backwards trying to recover to his outside shoulder. Again, he doesn't move his body well laterally.
4) Power. Sure, he's great at knocking around linebackers, but he doesn't seem to blow anyone off the ball. I suspect it may have something to do with frequently being out leveraged.
I could see him slide inside to guard and be successful if he learned to keep his hands up, stop bending at the waist and continue to develop leverage techniques. (This is why I love lineman that are former wrestlers) As a tackle at the NFL level, I have a strong feeling he'll be routinely exposed by any quality pass rusher that can give him a decent rip move.
edit: Let me clarify that offense is not my side of the ball. I've literally played defense my entire life outside of option back and some work as a slot receiver in midgets and highschool. So if you, Tour, or anyone disagrees with my assessment I have no issue admitting I might be wrong. Most of the extent of my knowledge on Olineman just come from reading defensive keys, that's about it.
So if you, Tour, or anyone disagrees with my assessment I have no issue admitting I might be wrong.
Not sure about right or wrong, but we agree... Given some of the hype I read on Scherff here and elsewhere, I could not believe what I saw on the tape. Here are my raw notes:
Brandon Scherff: Iowa (02-02-15) vs. IND&Maryland -
No kick dropstep - shuffles; good feet; good hands, but high.
Prone to getting bulled by power and faked by speed.
Good accel, no drive. Do not run his way much. Head? Strength?
Athletic, but fundamentally weak.
I never saw him move a D-lineman. I do not see how he moves inside given this. I do not see him going in the first round, let alone as the first OT taken, given this.
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So if you, Tour, or anyone disagrees with my assessment I have no issue admitting I might be wrong.
Not sure about right or wrong, but we agree... Given some of the hype I read on Scherff here and elsewhere, I could not believe what I saw on the tape. Here are my raw notes:
Brandon Scherff: Iowa (02-02-15) vs. IND&Maryland -
No kick dropstep - shuffles; good feet; good hands, but high.
Prone to getting bulled by power and faked by speed.
Good accel, no drive. Do not run his way much. Head? Strength?
Athletic, but fundamentally weak.
I never saw him move a D-lineman. I do not see how he moves inside given this. I do not see him going in the first round, let alone as the first OT taken, given this.
Not sure about right or wrong, but we agree... Given some of the hype I read on Scherff here and elsewhere, I could not believe what I saw on the tape. Here are my raw notes:
Brandon Scherff: Iowa (02-02-15) vs. IND&Maryland -
No kick dropstep - shuffles; good feet; good hands, but high.
Prone to getting bulled by power and faked by speed.
Good accel, no drive. Do not run his way much. Head? Strength?
Athletic, but fundamentally weak.
I never saw him move a D-lineman. I do not see how he moves inside given this. I do not see him going in the first round, let alone as the first OT taken, given this.
You're far more technically sound than I for what you're looking at.
I agree, though. I just seem his soul being eaten by pass rushers at the next level.
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Not sure about right or wrong, but we agree... Given some of the hype I read on Scherff here and elsewhere, I could not believe what I saw on the tape. Here are my raw notes:
Brandon Scherff: Iowa (02-02-15) vs. IND&Maryland -
No kick dropstep - shuffles; good feet; good hands, but high.
Prone to getting bulled by power and faked by speed.
Good accel, no drive. Do not run his way much. Head? Strength?
Athletic, but fundamentally weak.
I never saw him move a D-lineman. I do not see how he moves inside given this. I do not see him going in the first round, let alone as the first OT taken, given this.
You're far more technically sound than I for what you're looking at.
I agree, though. I just seem his soul being eaten by pass rushers at the next level.
You're far more technically sound than I for what you're looking at.
I agree, though. I just seem his soul being eaten by pass rushers at the next level.
Great talk both guys, way better than I could do. My only question having done no research is how did he win the Outland trophy with those flaws? I guess what are the pros to make him that highly honored?
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You're far more technically sound than I for what you're looking at.
I agree, though. I just seem his soul being eaten by pass rushers at the next level.
Great talk both guys, way better than I could do. My only question having done no research is how did he win the Outland trophy with those flaws? I guess what are the pros to make him that highly honored?
Great talk both guys, way better than I could do. My only question having done no research is how did he win the Outland trophy with those flaws? I guess what are the pros to make him that highly honored?
Every player has flaws in their game, however Schreff plays in an offense that helps minimize those flaws. Heavy, run oriented offense with a TE to his side that on the regular asks him to combo block and peel off to a linebacker. Which he is very good at, I'll say. But in the NFL you can't expect a TE to neutralize good DE's even after the tackle has floated to his second level responsibility.
I'd also say stats, or lack thereof. In which case I'm sure some scout will toss around the lack of sacks given up by the kid. Which is fine out of context, until you seem him on tape and realize he isn't put in a hell of a lot of obvious 1on1 passing down protections.
edit: As for scouts? Hell if I know. Shot in the dark - Scouts see what they want to or what they believe a finished product will look like without going further in depth on why it may be impossible to get beyond collegiate limitations. I laughed at Jamarcus Russell being rated so high. I watched his LSU tape and a few games. It was nice seeing him getting bailed out by Bowe, Lafell, Doucet and company. A smart, accurate QB he was not and it was painfully obvious. Ditto with Brady (short off story, my grandmother called me crying she was so happy that day (Devout Irish Catholic. I remember telling her plainly, worst decision Savage ever made) having Samarjudia (spell check) Stovalt and Mcknight. Its a lot easier to look good when you have 6'4 receivers catching jump balls.
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You're far more technically sound than I for what you're looking at.
I agree, though. I just seem his soul being eaten by pass rushers at the next level.
Great talk both guys, way better than I could do. My only question having done no research is how did he win the Outland trophy with those flaws? I guess what are the pros to make him that highly honored?
"Hiding" fits with my one comment that he was rarely at the point of attack on runs.
Great talk both guys, way better than I could do. My only question having done no research is how did he win the Outland trophy with those flaws? I guess what are the pros to make him that highly honored?
I thought maybe I just happened to watch Scherff's two worst game tapes. Excepting maybe bench reps the kid may kill the Combine measurables and many of the field drills, but not the pass drop drill.
In one half vs. Notre Dame Andrus Peat showed he's the real deal.
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^^^Interesting from both of you all. I wouldn't be surprised if this FO targets a OL with one of our picks so I'm pretty curious who may be the "best". One thing for sure it seems like no one likes a guy for a #1 overall talent which is interesting.
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Yeah... DEs look to be the rage for 2015 with three in the top ten.
Anyone looked at Dupree as 3-4 OLB? As of now he's the one that might fall as far as #12
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^^^Interesting from both of you all. I wouldn't be surprised if this FO targets a OL with one of our picks so I'm pretty curious who may be the "best". One thing for sure it seems like no one likes a guy for a #1 overall talent which is interesting.
^^^Interesting from both of you all. I wouldn't be surprised if this FO targets a OL with one of our picks so I'm pretty curious who may be the "best". One thing for sure it seems like no one likes a guy for a #1 overall talent which is interesting.
I like Tre Jackson from Florida......would be idea for our system and would be a major score in the 3rd.......
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