What Bernie Kosar Said
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I am a huge fan of Bernie Kosar. When he speaks I listen. He knows the game of football and the NFL. One of the things he spoke of is our former quarterback coach Dowell Loggains forwarding the Manziel "wreck this league" text message to Haslam, Farmer and Pettine and how out of line he was for doing it. Loggains has now been let go. Another point Bernie brought up wihich I have seen with other NFL teams and not just the Browns is too much emphasis on getting a QB who will come in and turn around a team. It doesn't work that way. You have to have enough talent to go along with the QB. Bernie seemed to be spot on with saying personnel in the Browns need to stay in their own lanes and focusing on their own tasks. The text gate investigation seems to bear that out. A point Bernie has made previously and I agree with 100 percent is having a coach that hates to lose so much they will spend whatever time and do what it takes in preparations for a game to win. I think we have that coach in Pettine myself.
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I think Bernie is a disgruntled unemployed drunk. Had problems getting along with the coach when he was playing and squandered huge amounts of money in bad business deals. He's speaking of a situation of which he has absolutely no first-hand knowledge. I'll bet dollars to dog shit if the Cleveland Browns had offered him a lucrative position he'd be singing a much sweeter tune.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Exactly. No qb can step into the Browns' situation with the lack
of talent around him.
The Browns are getting there, but our wr corps is lagging way, way behind
the other three teams in their division, and don't have the legit depth in case
of injuries.
The Browns must have a star quality wr... in this draft - that's the first round.
White/Strong... and maybe another small school kid talented enough to make the step
up to the NFL in a later round.
It's a draft deep in olinemen. and I'm serious about Cole Manhart, the small school OT in the later rounds....
I won't be surprised if they trade down a bit and pick up an extra second round pick in this draft.
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No, Kosar may have had his problems with alcohol and prescription pain killers...
but he didn't get along with an asshole HC who screwed up so much he lost the entire team?
Yeah, he changed the assholes' play, and it went for a touchdown. Buttichump screwed up
his first hc gig, and wanted out to start over somewhere else with more talent. Plain and simple.
That's how he treated the media, and his players, and the fans.
Besides, Kosar knows his football, and was one of, if not the smartest qbs to ever play the game.
Bashing him for his personal problems doesn't change that.
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http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2014/12/tim-couch-bernie-kosar-cleveland-browns-johnny-manziel/
This is not just Bernie saying some of these things.
Couch brings up another point which is spot on and huge. Continuity.
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No, Kosar may have had his problems with alcohol and prescription pain killers...
but he didn't get along with an asshole HC who screwed up so much he lost the entire team?
Yeah, he changed the assholes' play, and it went for a touchdown. Buttichump screwed up
his first hc gig, and wanted out to start over somewhere else with more talent. Plain and simple.
That's how he treated the media, and his players, and the fans.
Besides, Kosar knows his football, and was one of, if not the smartest qbs to ever play the game.
Bashing him for his personal problems doesn't change that.
No, Kosar may have had his problems with alcohol and prescription pain killers...
but he didn't get along with an asshole HC who screwed up so much he lost the entire team?
Yeah, he changed the assholes' play, and it went for a touchdown. Buttichump screwed up
his first hc gig, and wanted out to start over somewhere else with more talent. Plain and simple.
That's how he treated the media, and his players, and the fans.
Besides, Kosar knows his football, and was one of, if not the smartest qbs to ever play the game.
Bashing him for his personal problems doesn't change that.
Praising him for knowledge he apparently doesn't possess doesn't change anything either. If he has football knowledge anywhere near the mythical proportions attributed to him it seems like he'd have a successful career on somebody's coaching staff.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
I think Bernie is a disgruntled unemployed drunk. Had problems getting along with the coach when he was playing and squandered huge amounts of money in bad business deals. He's speaking of a situation of which he has absolutely no first-hand knowledge. I'll bet dollars to dog shit if the Cleveland Browns had offered him a lucrative position he'd be singing a much sweeter tune.
WSS
I think Bernie is a disgruntled unemployed drunk. Had problems getting along with the coach when he was playing and squandered huge amounts of money in bad business deals. He's speaking of a situation of which he has absolutely no first-hand knowledge. I'll bet dollars to dog shit if the Cleveland Browns had offered him a lucrative position he'd be singing a much sweeter tune.
WSS
I don't see this as sour grapes at all but it comes from a guy who loves the Browns and is frustrated like many of us are about the history of the club since 99. If we want to improve we should put everything on the table and learn from past mistakes. I think continuity has been a huge problem and I hope to see Haslam, Farmer and Pettine working together for years to come.
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No, Kosar may have had his problems with alcohol and prescription pain killers...
but he didn't get along with an asshole HC who screwed up so much he lost the entire team?
Yeah, he changed the assholes' play, and it went for a touchdown. Buttichump screwed up
his first hc gig, and wanted out to start over somewhere else with more talent. Plain and simple.
That's how he treated the media, and his players, and the fans.
Besides, Kosar knows his football, and was one of, if not the smartest qbs to ever play the game.
Bashing him for his personal problems doesn't change that.
Praising him for knowledge he apparently doesn't possess doesn't change anything either. If he has football knowledge anywhere near the mythical proportions attributed to him it seems like he'd have a successful career on somebody's coaching staff.
WSS
Praising him for knowledge he apparently doesn't possess doesn't change anything either. If he has football knowledge anywhere near the mythical proportions attributed to him it seems like he'd have a successful career on somebody's coaching staff.
WSS
Bernie has steadfastly said on numerous occasions that "He wants no coaching gig".. so put that Myth to rest.
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Praising him for knowledge he apparently doesn't possess doesn't change anything either. If he has football knowledge anywhere near the mythical proportions attributed to him it seems like he'd have a successful career on somebody's coaching staff.
WSS
Bernie has steadfastly said on numerous occasions that "He wants no coaching gig".. so put that Myth to rest.
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Do you know if he has ever been offered one?
You will never be offered anything when you publicly state you want no part of it. Even if he were to change his mind, that ship has sailed.
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As to his points, he's "spot" on. I'm convinced that had we drafted Luck a couple years ago our fortunes would be only somewhat better all other things remaining the same.
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Hi . Without a doubt Bernard Kosar was and is the smartest QB to ever play the game. He had no skills but won games with his brain. Why he never was offered a head coaching or GM position with us is beyond me.
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Concussion free advice--Did you even watch JM at Texas AM? Our scouts got this all wrong from never called a play from a huddle, but the kid won a Heisman and had NCAA talent and we had Weeddone on Bench from home Lions game(over the shoulder heive) and Hoyer with a tore up knee. This was Haslem and Farmer deciding butts in season tickets and jersey sales over what JM may do in NFL period..
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If Bernie Kosar had any football credibility he'd be coaching somewhere cause God knows he could use the money. If you have a good QB and no skill players around him the team won't succeed and if you have good skill players and no QB to utilize them the team won't succeed. That theory isn't new. The problem is and always will be drafting a franchise QB is a VERY difficult thing. If it were easy 5+ teams wouldn't be doing it every year.
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I think Bernie is a disgruntled unemployed drunk. Had problems getting along with the coach when he was playing and squandered huge amounts of money in bad business deals. He's speaking of a situation of which he has absolutely no first-hand knowledge. I'll bet dollars to dog shit if the Cleveland Browns had offered him a lucrative position he'd be singing a much sweeter tune.
WSS
I think Bernie is a disgruntled unemployed drunk. Had problems getting along with the coach when he was playing and squandered huge amounts of money in bad business deals. He's speaking of a situation of which he has absolutely no first-hand knowledge. I'll bet dollars to dog shit if the Cleveland Browns had offered him a lucrative position he'd be singing a much sweeter tune.
WSS
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000
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http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2014/12/tim-couch-bernie-kosar-cleveland-browns-johnny-manziel/
This is not just Bernie saying some of these things.
Couch brings up another point which is spot on and huge. Continuity.
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2014/12/tim-couch-bernie-kosar-cleveland-browns-johnny-manziel/
This is not just Bernie saying some of these things.
Couch brings up another point which is spot on and huge. Continuity.
That other ohio team has continuity but is only marginally better than us.....
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http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2014/12/tim-couch-bernie-kosar-cleveland-browns-johnny-manziel/
This is not just Bernie saying some of these things.
Couch brings up another point which is spot on and huge. Continuity.
That other ohio team has continuity but is only marginally better than us.....
That other ohio team has continuity but is only marginally better than us.....
Does success bring continuity or does continuity bring success?
I think you hire the best people you can find and give them enough time to prove themselves.
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Do you know if he has ever been offered one?
he probably wrecked any chance at a team job?
wasnt he with on the preseason tv / radio side? (and with some badly timed drunken on air episodes that came off as bad publicity} was fired or let go?
Was this back when the walrus ran the team?
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Do you know if he has ever been offered one?
he probably wrecked any chance at a team job?
wasnt he with on the preseason tv / radio side? (and with some badly timed drunken on air episodes that came off as bad publicity} was fired or let go?
Was this back when the walrus ran the team?
he probably wrecked any chance at a team job?
wasnt he with on the preseason tv / radio side? (and with some badly timed drunken on air episodes that came off as bad publicity} was fired or let go?
Was this back when the walrus ran the team?
I liked listening to Kosar doing color commentary on the preseason games. It was his knowledge of the game that impressed me. He said some things he shouldn't have about some Rams players in one game but I don't know too many people who do live on air broadcasts that don't say things from time to time they shouldn't. Bernie probably burnt his bridge behind him with talking about the culture of losing. I'm glad he said what he said, at least getting people to evaluate past mistakes this club has made. I looked at what he said more as constructive criticism from a guy who loves the Browns than any kind of disgruntled employee.
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If Bernie Kosar had any football credibility he'd be coaching somewhere cause God knows he could use the money. If you have a good QB and no skill players around him the team won't succeed and if you have good skill players and no QB to utilize them the team won't succeed. That theory isn't new. The problem is and always will be drafting a franchise QB is a VERY difficult thing. If it were easy 5+ teams wouldn't be doing it every year.
If Bernie Kosar had any football credibility he'd be coaching somewhere cause God knows he could use the money. If you have a good QB and no skill players around him the team won't succeed and if you have good skill players and no QB to utilize them the team won't succeed. That theory isn't new. The problem is and always will be drafting a franchise QB is a VERY difficult thing. If it were easy 5+ teams wouldn't be doing it every year.
Bernie has said himself.. "he has no problem generating(making money).. So.. I don't think he really needs it"
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